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  Two Witnesses stuck in a elevator or car without Chaperon. Would they fornicate? Yes/No

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  im amazed how going witnessing sisters who knew me for decades would sit only in the back seat on the way to the hall...to avoid any sex at the traffic lights!!!

  and chaperons 1840's style are needed because two witnesses alone for 10 minutes would go at it like animals even after all the training watchtower articles and talks being jahs clean org.

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  You know what? It just occurred to me that I spend the entire working day in a closed-door office with a member of the opposite sex, who is like, maybe only 3 feet away, at most! Oh, wow, that's totally inappropriate! I may need to step down from the Beast-Tower Writing Committee if this goes on, or maybe I need to keep the door open, just in case! Thankfully, if temptation does arise, I can meditate on previous Beast-Tower articles prepared by the 'discreet virgin class'. Such bold preventive measures will surely protect me from the snares of the fallen flesh.

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  Two Witnesses stuck in a elevator or car without Chaperon. Would they fornicate? Yes/No

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  im amazed how going witnessing sisters who knew me for decades would sit only in the back seat on the way to the hall...to avoid any sex at the traffic lights!!!

  and chaperons 1840's style are needed because two witnesses alone for 10 minutes would go at it like animals even after all the training watchtower articles and talks being jahs clean org.

  and all..

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  sd-7

  This reminds me of a tale a young bro once told me, that there was a 19-year-old male who lived in the same house with an unrelated 70-year-old female, and both were JWs, I think he lived in the basement or something. And supposedly they got DF'd for having sex with each other. No way to verify, but that's...unbelievable. I guess he was telling me the story to demonstrate that people are going to frak each other's brains out no matter what the age difference or circumstances may be, so long as they're alone...

  Hmm. Recognizing a clear need for spiritual direction in this matter, I may need to prepare an article for The Beast-Tower that will help fortify our hearts against temptation with the opposite sex. We'll definitely be holding a meeting to discuss this matter and will get back to you all soon...

  --sd-7
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  Mind Reading and Reinstatement - Part 1

  by RayPublisher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've published a new article on my blog about the agony that people go through in seeking reinstatement.

  part one includes a personal experience of one that crawled throught this field of glass in order to be able to regain a relationship with a close friend that is asleep in the jw movement.. part two will have a transcript (and accompanying audio on my youtube channel) from a sister that recorded her entire reinstatement hearing, including what the elders said about her after she was dismissed from the room while they deliberated.. here's a peek at the article on jwstruggle:.

  .. .. .. there are likely a number of you on jwnet that have "been there and back again" and gone through it.. what was the hardest thing about getting reinstated?.

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  sd-7

  But my main point is that regardless of your beliefs or lack therof after leaving the org, you have been abused. Every single one of you here that were a JW (or ARE a JW), you have suffered abuse whether you know it or not. And acknowledging the abuse and understanding the abuser is the first step to moving on.

  Absolutely a good point you make there, Christ Alone. One of the earliest books I read during my journey out of the Borg was a book about 'The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse'. I only went to one other church after leaving the JWs (a Christadelphian church), but I admit that you're right--for me, I went elsewhere expecting further spiritual abuse, so I could never trust religion again. The pain was too deep, and eventually the faith died in all of that.

  Of course, I did actually consider Christianity for a time, recalling that Jesus found the blind man after he was expelled from the synagogue. But I think it became clear to me that any entity, book or system of thought needs to be subjected to the same kind of rational inquiry as the JWs were, and so yeah, I formed my own opinions about the Bible as was my right to do. After having our basic rights stolen from us, would you have us surrender them again to a system based on faith in third hand stories from millennia ago? No thanks.

  --sd-7
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  Mind Reading and Reinstatement - Part 1

  by RayPublisher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've published a new article on my blog about the agony that people go through in seeking reinstatement.

  part one includes a personal experience of one that crawled throught this field of glass in order to be able to regain a relationship with a close friend that is asleep in the jw movement.. part two will have a transcript (and accompanying audio on my youtube channel) from a sister that recorded her entire reinstatement hearing, including what the elders said about her after she was dismissed from the room while they deliberated.. here's a peek at the article on jwstruggle:.

  .. .. .. there are likely a number of you on jwnet that have "been there and back again" and gone through it.. what was the hardest thing about getting reinstated?.

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  sd-7

  A great topic. And very accurate. There was a time when I thought about trying for reinstatement, just for the family's sake, but it is thoroughly denigrating to the human spirit to tolerate the kind of treatment one must deal with from one's fellowman during this process. By the time it's done, they are clearly hoping to have a dog that has been taught to roll over and speak with no incentive whatsoever offered.

  I wish they'd thrown me out sooner, to be honest, years ago. I would've had a much better life by now. But it is clear that, as this article bears out, scripture has nothing at all to do with their decisions in judicial matters, pretty much they follow only the Society's handbook in making their choices. There's no point in attempting to play a rigged game as if one hopes to change the rules when the rules will be variables anyway.

  I, too, understand what Londo meant, about the sense of nearly PTSD about attending meetings. I've had the same experience. And an excellent reference to Mr. Frodo, I might add...truly, the Third Age is over and my time has passed...

  And being interrogated about where your ex-wife lives during the reinstatement process? Man, that's ballsy. Hard to imagine keeping one's cool with b.s. like that goin' down. It really is like dealing with dirty cops, trying to get reinstated...just make sure you give the answers the 'slave' needs to hear, and you're set.

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  Two Witnesses stuck in a elevator or car without Chaperon. Would they fornicate? Yes/No

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  im amazed how going witnessing sisters who knew me for decades would sit only in the back seat on the way to the hall...to avoid any sex at the traffic lights!!!

  and chaperons 1840's style are needed because two witnesses alone for 10 minutes would go at it like animals even after all the training watchtower articles and talks being jahs clean org.

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  Sex usually happened after a ruse to get the other party alone in the same room at a time and place when it wasn't likely to be discovered.

  Ah, so that's how it happened...should've known...

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  Blood Transfusion Increases Mortality in Heart Attacks

  by Earnest in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i understand that the objection to blood transfusions by jehovah's witnesses is purely a scriptural one.

  whether or not there are medical benefits to avoiding blood transfusions is, or should be, irrelevant.

  however, for those who are not convinced by jw understanding of the scriptures in this regard, and those who don't believe either in the bible and/or in god, the fact that blood transfusion is associated with increased mortality in heart attacks may be of interest.. a systematic search of studies published between january 1, 1966, and march 31, 2012, was conducted using medline, embase, cinahl, scopus, web of science, and cochrane central register of controlled trials databases.

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  Wouldn't people who have had a heart attack have an increased mortality rate anyway? They just had a heart attack, man.

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  Came clean to the wife and all is good!

  by Comatose in

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  2. beliefs

  i have been reading steven hassan's books as well studying like never before.

  my wife has seen the amount studying i am doing, just hasnt known what all subjects instudy.

  over the last few weeks i've slowly shared certain things.

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  Riiight. All is good. I have trouble believing that, because I've seen enough to know better. But I shouldn't project my own failed experience onto yours. If I were you, though, I would still anticipate betrayal. Don't assume she's buying all this. She might be ready to turn you in and just hasn't said anything yet. To you.

  But hey, I hope what happened to me doesn't happen to you. So I won't say I'm not happy for you. I'll just say that I'm not ready to celebrate just yet.

  --sd-7
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  Two Witnesses stuck in a elevator or car without Chaperon. Would they fornicate? Yes/No

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  im amazed how going witnessing sisters who knew me for decades would sit only in the back seat on the way to the hall...to avoid any sex at the traffic lights!!!

  and chaperons 1840's style are needed because two witnesses alone for 10 minutes would go at it like animals even after all the training watchtower articles and talks being jahs clean org.

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  sd-7

  Well, towards the end, when I was on return visits, and the brother took someone else and left me in the car with his really hot wife, I got out of the car and stood there for awhile until they got back. But it was mostly because I felt horny in general...but that was kind of weird, so I got over it, since I was the only one in the back seat anyway. I was dealing with a lot of guilt issues even though I'd already started waking up by that time.

  But clearly, it depends on the attraction between the two. It doesn't just happen.

  It calls to mind something my wife was saying to me earlier this week, but it'd derail this thread if I go on, so...I could start another thread on that subject, but it wouldn't be worth it, I'd just end up angry and I really don't need that.

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  Blood Issue on Grey's Anatomy Tonight

  by jamiebowers in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  at 9 pm on abc.

  previews in last two videos on this link:.

  http://www.wetpaint.com/greys-anatomy/articles/greys-anatomy-season-9-episode-13-spoilers-7-things-we-learned-from-the-sneak-peeks-video.

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  sd-7

  Actually it did matter SD 7, I thought it was very well done

  Perhaps you're right. I suppose even if a JW changed the channel after seeing what the episode was about, those tiny threads of doubt have already begun to appear. I guess I'm not feeling overly optimistic today.

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  Even after reading Crisis of Conscience, one thing (at least) still puzzled me

  by kepler in

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  2. bible

  it was several years back and from time to time i will look something up in the index.

  all manner of things about jw life are revealed - as well as discussions within the leadership, plus historical and contemporary controversies - but there is still something i missed.. please excuse me if this is not a detailed summary.

  when the drum roll starts for the purge, it appears that the friends and associates of ray franz are targeted first.

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  What I gather from this is that he did report back, but we don't get to hear the reaction. We are left to draw a conclusion about whether the GB decided to Deep Six what they heard. Deep six it in every possible way

  Having read it myself, I can say with certainty that Ray Franz definitely did mention a reaction. The reaction was that they decided to keep the 607 date. I'm pretty sure he spelled that out. I would recommend reading it again, if you missed that part. A detailed discussion of just what the Governing Body did to Carl Olof Jonsson in response to this issue can be found in 'The Gentile Times Reconsidered'. I don't think any doubt will be left about what the Governing Body decided to do after you read that one.

  --sd-7