Posts by sd-7

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Who of you ever lied on your field service reports?

by Julia Orwell in

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i've read a few people mention making up the figures for the field service reports, and i want to find out how common it is.

i never lied on my report.

sometimes i'd round up 15 minutes if i'd mentioned jw stuff to my brother that month, but that wasn't falsifying.

sd-7

I can't really remember putting down any fake time; I guess what would probably count as such would be the travel time to return visits or something, but I would stop my time if we stopped for food or something. Or if people went to the convenience store first, I wouldn't start my time until we actually got out to the territory. I'm sure I rounded up by an hour or something and then made up the time the next month. I know my mom would report time she hadn't made and then just make it the next month. So it wasn't a lie depending on the quantum observer, if you will, as before the secretary looks at the time slip, the field service time was both made and not made, both 5 and 0, both 20 and 50, any number of possibilities, until he looked at it.

But it usually didn't matter for me anyhow. Except those summer months as a teenager when I tried to pioneer. Doing streetwork at barely dawn and then going to my summer job was awful. I think I only did it one month during the summer and took the other month easy. Nobody wants to blow their whole summer vacation on field service, after all.

Towards the end I was barely going out at all and used some time from KH construction/security work. I had allowed myself to become unfruitful. My zeal had cooled off. I was easy prey for Satan. And from there, here we are!

--sd-7

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Ray Franz Comments on the Memorial as Celebrated by Jehovah's Witnesses...

by LUKEWARM in

thought this will be of interest at this time of year..... .

dear daniel,.

i appreciated your latest letter.

sd-7

--sd-7

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3rd Annual Memorial of Freedom--Will You Attend? Also, 'When Prophecy Fails' by Leon Festinger

by sd-7 in

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sd-7's 3rd memorial of freedom falls on sunday, march 10th, 2013, at sundown.

check your local news for when sundown happens in your area, so that you may pass the emblems--chocolate milk and pop tarts--in observance of liberation from the watchtower.

for review, the pop tarts represent one's body, which will no longer sit in a kingdom hall.

sd-7

The 3rd Annual Memorial of Freedom was enjoyed by all in attendance. After an opening song, I think it was in Elvish, 'cause the Fellowship had reached Lothlorien by then, a rousing talk was given by sd-7. The theme? "Working Our Way Towards Freedom"! He relates:

"Outside Jehovah's organization, it's really no darker than it was on the inside. Fluorescent lighting really just ensured that after the opening song, no doubt timed with the human heartbeat, lulled us all into a hypnotic, highly suggestive state. Oh, right, and there is no such thing as Jehovah's organization. He's not like a divine CEO or something.

"Anyway, it's been three years since the white-haired-donor-of-green-reclining-chair-he-doesn't-want-me-to-sit-in may or may not have read my name off at the Service Meeting. So far, I've read a lot of books, watched a lot of movies, and played not nearly enough video games. I consider it a privilege to have left 'the lie' since my conscience told me it was the right thing to do.

"Freedom, of course, is never free. There are always people who will try to take it away from you, no matter how many times you break their chains. Freedom is not so much a state of where we are now, but rather, a state we are working our way towards. Each chain we break gets us closer to the blessed day when our freedom shines upon us like the sun.

"The only question that remains now is, are we brave enough? Are we brave enough to fight for our freedom? To stand up for what we believe in, and to endure for what we know to be right? Let us use the next year, and the next, and the next, to give an answer to that greatest question of all."

Emblems were passed, and we all watched 'Fellowship of the Ring' Extended Edition up until the Fellowship left Lothlorien. One person was in attendance. One person partook of the emblems, which in this case, were a box of Goobers, representing my body which no longer sits in a Kingdom Hall, and a glass of reduced fat 2% milk, the Milk of Freedom from the Watchtower. We concluded with an episode of 'The Powerpuff Girls' from Season 6, "Aspiration", I believe it was, which we weren't able to enjoy until 1:30 this morning. Sedusa used the Gangrene Gang to steal Egyptian artifiacts so she could become really powerful and get revenge on the Powerpuff Girls for shaving her hair off in the past.

There you have it.

--sd-7

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Don't e-mail DF'd family members - Congregation Reaction (WT 1/15/2013)

by 00DAD in

do not look for excuses to associate with a disfellowshipped family member, for example, through e-mail.

- w2013 1/15, p. 16, para.

in the congregation i attend, no one--and i mean no one--commented on the directive to not communicate with df'd family members by email.

sd-7

That part of the lesson was towards the end and the conductor probably viewed the clock like a sawed off, so we moved on fairly quick at that point.

There's something hilarious about this sentence. I think I know exactly what you mean.

--sd-7

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WHAT REASON DOES THE GOVERNING BODY HAVE TO DENY JESUS MEDIATOR-SHIP FOR EVERYONE?

by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

aguest, jehovah-jirah, lars58, rick fearon, finkle, or another scholars on jwn.

what reason does the governing body have for telling.

seven million jehovah's witnesses, "jesus is not your man dude!

sd-7

if they dont even know who the fds ,how are they going to know who jesus is mediator for?

mr. glass

"But now that we know who you are, I know who I am. I'm not a mistake. It all makes sense!"

Couldn't resist that one. Ha!

But see, the Governing Body has like 3 different covenants ("covenant for a kingdom", "new covenant", and I forget the third one), they're like totally confused to begin with. The only sense, as Splash's quotes show, Jesus is Mediator for everyone is that everyone can approach God in prayer through Jesus. But clearly that is the only sense in which non-anointed JWs can consider Jesus as a Mediator of sorts.

But NOT in the sense of being in the new covenant. Being "beneficiaries", which in its most literal sense would mean...they don't get any benefits until all the anointed die, just like a beneficiary named to someone's bank account. But it's not your account, and the account holder could always have you removed as a beneficiary. So it is with the 'great crowd'. If they don't obey the anointed, they therefore get their name pulled off the list by the anointed and lose any benefits that would come from the new covenant, as the benefits trickle down via the anointed.

Remember, the Society has explicity stated that the anointed will help Jesus apply the value of the ransom to the sins of mankind. So then, that makes them co-mediators, somehow able to do with Jesus' blood what Jesus apparently cannot do (and hasn't already done once for all time, despite what Hebrews 9 says), which is forgive sins permanently.

They had to build on the 2-class system somehow, so I guess by playing their usual game of Scriptural Scrabble, they built their beliefs around what they wanted to teach and then picked isolated verses to support those beliefs.

--sd-7

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For the born-in/raised in, you ever get resentful upon seeing kids involved with organized sports?

by Theocratic Sedition in

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this past saturday, i was watching the georgetown/syracuse game, and a nike commercial was played during one of the breaks.

i couldn't locate the exact commercial, but below is a variation of it that has scenes from the same one that aired on saturday.

man did i feel some heavy resentment towards the wt during and especially after the commercial aired.

sd-7

No. I was never the athletic type. My brother, though--he and my mom really butted heads on this issue. He ended up playing intramural basketball and coaching it, though, which I guess he either did without her knowledge or as a compromise of some kind (you know, so he wouldn't be spending time after school with those heroin-snorting, gun-toting hoodlums on the team).

But why would you want to do that? Remember that Young People Ask drama? You'll only injure yourself in an impromptu race with a worldly kid, and then get offered some pain-killers by a corrupt high school coach! Why do that, when you can keep a JW's Holocaust bowl and spoon as a memoir of what you really need in life? Your priorities are out of whack, man. You need to find 'the real life'!

--sd-7

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WTS vs. Star Trek

by Farkel in

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star trek claimed to be fantasy and in fact, was fantasy.. wts claims to be the sole truth on earth and in fact, is fantasy.. star trek had spock who solved problems with logic.. wts has a gb who solves problems with bullshit.. star trek had a pompous ass charismatic leader whom everyone loved to watch rant and emote.

wts had three pompous ass charismatic leaders whom everyone hated to watch rant and emote.. captain kirk was always saving his people from new disasters.. wt leaders are always leading its people into new disasters.. star trek made money by always giving its fans the stuff they wanted.. wts makes money by always charging its fans for stuff neither they nor anyone else else wants.. people had fun when star trek came on.. people would rather have a root canal when meetings come on.. star trek was all about making the cosmos a better place for all.. wts is all about making the cosmos a better place for a few and killing everyone else.. people love to go to star trek conventions.. people would rather be in an earthquake than go to wts conventions.. star trek had a transporter room.. people in meetings wish they also had a transporter room.. star trek had lots of insane villains.. wts had judge rutherford and fred franz.

same thing.. star trek also had lots of good guys.. good guys are banished from the wts.. star trek had the klingons who spoke a bizarre language.. wts had fred franz who spoke an even more bizarre language.. star trek had all sorts of devices which could cure most any medical problems, but of course, they were science fiction.. wts had the electronic radio biola which it sold and said could cure most any medical problem, but of course, that was science fiction.. star trek had floppy disks, computers you could talk to and flat screen monitors all of which were about 50 years ahead-of-their time.. wts had vaccines which were called "filthy animal pus", humans hearts which were the seat of all emotions, organ transplants which were cannibalistic, human personalities which were also transferred with blood transfusions and black people turning white by reading their literature, all of which were 100 years behihd-their-time.. if you missed a few star trek episodes in a row, no one came by to harrass you.. if you miss a few meetings in a row, you are in deep shit.. star trek tv shows and movies are still played all the time, even after 47 years.. wts dramas never even play a second time.

sd-7

Star Trek has a counselor who can feel what you're feeling and offer pretty decent advice.

WTS has elders who could care less what you're feeling and offer crappy, emotionally abusive advice.

Star Trek had Klingon trials where you could hire somebody to represent your case, even in combat if necessary.

WTS has trials where no one can represent you and you're outnumbered three-to-one.

Star Trek had the Kobayashi Maru test, which was impossible to pass. (Unless you figure out that you're supposed to retreat, like Troi did, or cheat, like Kirk did.)

WTS has tests that cheat--the acceptable course of action can change each time you take the same test.

Star Trek has the Borg, where absolute unity of mind was vital and resistance to it was futile.

WTS has itself, where absolute unity of mind is vital and resistance to it is futile.

Star Trek has time travel.

WTS rewrites history by printing press instead.

Star Trek has weird energy clouds that like to screw with people for fun.

WTS has a God/Governing Body that likes to screw with people and is serious about it.

Star Trek has Spock, who has another name you can't pronounce.

WTS has Jehovah, whose name isn't being pronounced correctly.

--sd-7

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What is the best way to celebrate ?

by Phizzy in

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what is the best way for an inactive/ fader like me to celebrate the anniversary of my walking away from all things jw ?.

as my last meeting was the memorial several years ago, it always falls around this time of year.. my first instinct is,........ wait for it............. you've guessed it............... lots of beer !.

but what i was looking for was something that would send a message to jw's, especially family that are in, without them having a way to dismiss it as me being provocative or whatever.. any ideas ????

sd-7

order a kebab from the local takeaway. Give the delivery geezer a tip.

There's something funny about this line. I've got this mental image of an old man with strong arms handing you the bag.

I don't know. I'd say, do something fun that maybe isn't something you would've done as a JW. For me, it's reading a book that would be forbidden for a JW to read, or watching a movie that would be forbidden. As long as you're enjoying it, and not doing anything self-destructive, then yeah, do that.

--sd-7

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A recent discussion that had me stumped!

by Terry in

okay--first off, i wasn't involved in the following conversation; i was eavesdropping!.

you know how it is when you happen to be in a public place.

you are minding your own business until you're not minding your own business.

sd-7

Definitely a case of apples and oranges there. Actions between two consenting adults do not equal child molestation or pyromania. That dad's kung fu was weak.

--sd-7

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Porneia in marriage - a changing view:

by Splash in

1974 - can divorce your marriage mate if they insist on oral / anal intercourse.

1978 - can still divorce your marriage mate if they insist on oral / anal intercourse.

1983 - cannot divorce your marriage mate if they insist on oral / anal intercourse.

sd-7

Ah, I believe that's Matthew JustShutUp:AndObey

Hilarious. Maybe if The Rock were on the Governing Body, we'd get more statements like this from the platform. "So, brother, why don't you turn to this verse with me," [licks his finger and flips pages in Bible] "...It's found in Matthew chapter KNOW YOUR ROLE, and verse number SHUT YOUR MOUTH! Eh-eh! Did you read it? Thought so!"

So truly, nothing is sacred. If you have the wrong kind of sex with your mate, even that's considered grounds for divorce. That's actually worse than the IVF = fornication thing of more modern times. Of course, the other problem is, are they saying that the 'debauching sex' was had without one mate's consent? If so, wouldn't that be a matter of rape? If so, does that mean the wife had to scream or else she can be charged with 'fornication' as well?? Just gets more and more bizarre...

--sd-7