Posts by sd-7

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Why I believe my baptism was not valid. (welcome comments)

by thebeliever in

when i was 11 or 12, my best friend (who's father was also an elder) suggested i get some of my mom's cigarettes for us to smoke.

sounded like a good idea, so i did and we tried it.

i thought it was horrible, but she had done it before and whatever.

sd-7

Well, it's clear that the baptism was done without truly, fully understanding what it would mean, for those of us who were fairly young. I was not quite 13 when I got baptized. I knew it was expected of me, and that I was smart enough to know or learn the answers to the baptism questions, and that I had no other plans in mind for my life, so I did it. It was what I wanted, and I'd still be in if I still believed it was the true religion.

But really, can a JW honestly say he or she was baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? Not in my opinion. More like Father, Son and Organization. Think about it. They actually have to go into detail in WT articles about what it means to be baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and holy spirit--as if it isn't self-explanatory, as if it has to be qualified by their specific definition in order to count. That said, the baptism wasn't really a Christian baptism save in appearance only. So it's kind of invalid by definition anyway, if you ask me. But if you still feel the Jesus vibe, and held onto that belief, and always believed it was about faith in Jesus, then I guess it could count, even if it was done under crap circumstances.

--sd-7

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Anybody enjoy looking at old NFL Films productions like, "The Autumn Wind"?

by Theocratic Sedition in

jw
friends

these pieces were nothing more than propaganda ads but dang if they weren't effective.

i get chills of excitiment watching these.

the music, the narraration, the visuals, etc.. truly flawless production.

sd-7

It seems like the kind of thing I'd do only if I were stuck somewhere and there were a bunch of old VHS tapes lying around from like 1986 or something. But otherwise, probably not. Even with that said, though, those old football films were pretty cool.

--sd-7

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Someone in here is a mole

by focariedu21 in

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friends

hy guys the other day my wife had a discussion with her jws brother and he told her that he received all posted material from this site posted by myself and was disgusted with the information.

now that's all fine by me but what i am pissed about is that some one in here from sydney australia is a mole and pretends to be an ex jws while all the while exposing each and every one he knows as in my case.

you are one big coward and one who hides behind a skirt a yellow and a chicken shit whom doesn't have the balls to face me in person because you obviously know who i am.

sd-7

I'm tired of having to hide like a criminal when all I've done is decided to think for myself.

I like to think of it more like being a vigilante with a secret identity. But I honestly wouldn't be surprised if some of the more Internet-savvy younger generation I grew up with knows all about sd-7. That wouldn't bother me, though. I'm way more interesting than I ever was as a JW.

--sd-7

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Someone in here is a mole

by focariedu21 in

jw
friends

hy guys the other day my wife had a discussion with her jws brother and he told her that he received all posted material from this site posted by myself and was disgusted with the information.

now that's all fine by me but what i am pissed about is that some one in here from sydney australia is a mole and pretends to be an ex jws while all the while exposing each and every one he knows as in my case.

you are one big coward and one who hides behind a skirt a yellow and a chicken shit whom doesn't have the balls to face me in person because you obviously know who i am.

sd-7

Well, hate to say it, but this is the Internet. The only sure way to maintain covert status would be to never mention any details about yourself that could be traced back to you. I would be in for a major battle at home if the Mrs. read even half of my posts/threads here. But that's the risk I'm taking, and while of course I'd prefer not to be compromised, at the risk of paraphrasing Moshe, and given that I'm a doormat myself, getting outed in that regard could actually be the best thing, at least the more honest thing for me.

Ultimately, stating who you are or how you feel isn't the real problem, it's the people who are exploiting that, violating your right to think and speak freely that are the problem. I'm just glad that being sd-7/Christopher (Come at me bro! I'm callin' you out!) is kind of a moot point, since I'm on the outside now anyway.

--sd-7

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Borg court: 2nd session

by sd-7 in

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friends

judicial committee, round 2. i have to give it to the elders on this one.

they fought well, albeit with unrefined technique.

pure strength of authority apparently seems to make up for a lack of sufficient evidence, just as the 300-pound fellow who believed you were checking out his girlfriend can beat the tar out of you even though you were merely looking at the clock behind her on the wall.

sd-7

Never really thought of myself that way. I was scared out of my mind. Even now I still feel the tendrils of fear just driving up to the KH. But at least now I know it's done. I had no idea what I was doing. Back then I didn't have half the knowledge I do now. But...it was a battle I had to get beyond because it was forced upon me by my wife's confession. And so I did it.

It was a great battle, but only the beginning of a long and brutal conflict that has placed itself in the deepest corners of my heart and my home. Julia, you are fortunate that you won't have that same battle, but still, you'll have a different one ahead of you. I hope reading my experiences was helpful to you. I'm actually quite glad I wrote about them, in hindsight.

--sd-7

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AAWA is here!! (The Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists)

by cedars in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.

http://www.jwactivists.org.

facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.

sd-7

"Beware of organization. It is wholly unnecessary."

I'm not much of a joiner, so I really wouldn't want any formal ties to AAWA. I'd be more of the Dash Rendar type. I might do a mission or two if you guys asked for some help--heck, my essay is on InsidetheWatchtower.com after all--but I would not want to join or be involved directly. I respect its intentions, but I just don't trust anyone to the extent that I'd want to team up with them.

It is good if this becomes a sledgehammer as opposed to the swarm-of-ants-in-the-pants approach, and I wish AAWA the best, but I really prefer to be a lone wolf, myself.

Congratulations on creating an entity for the fight for freedom. Just be careful not to repeat the WT's mistakes in how you deal with others, and I'm sure this can accomplish a lot of good.

--sd-7

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Are the Family of a Disfellowshipped Person Told in Advance?

by Eustace in

in another thread a comment by mamochan13 related this experience:.

of course, after i was df'd my perspective changed.

one meeting a couple of months into it they announced that a young girl, about 17, had been df'd.

sd-7

Well, someone told my family in advance. I can't confirm who did it. My wife claims she didn't tell my mom, so unless someone knew about sd-7 back then, there's only three other people who would know--the elders on the committee. But if I had to guess, my wife blabbed to someone and that person told my mom, or one of the elders told someone, who told someone else, or they just saw me with a beard at the assembly a couple of days before and that was the giveaway. Guess I'll never know.

--sd-7

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I just finished The Silmarillion. Any suggestions on next Tolkien to read?

by sd-7 in

i've read 'the hobbit', 'the lord of the rings' (including the appendices, well, except the shire calendar and elvish language), and 'the silmarillion'.

i was really impressed with 'silmarillion'.

almost seems like it could be a movie in itself.

sd-7

Big tolkien fan here till I got married and my wife made me throw out my LOTR series books because it had magic in them.

Indeed. I have done my best to carefully hide any LOTR-related books for fear of a similar outcome. Of course, I've already done my share of throwing books away in this marriage. I don't think I'll be doing that again. Once they get you to make one change, they've already gotten you to make ten.

It's pretty deep and kinda dry, much of it was over my head at the time.

You missed out on some really great stories if you haven't read the whole thing before. There were some parts that were kind of hard to read through, but I mostly enjoyed it. But hey, it's not for everyone.

Lost Tales of Middle Earth, they have a Silmarillion quality to them, and I guess they flesh out a lot of stuff from Silmarillion.

Okay. I was wondering if they have any of those cool speeches from Saruman (or should I say Curunir?) in them that were in the movie, or if that was just added in. "To waaaar!"

--sd-7

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The totally BOGUS idea of CERTAINTY inside the Watchtower religion

by Terry in

i'm going to ask a question and it is a very simple question.

think about it before you answer.

are you ready?.

sd-7

I like this thread. It's amazing how much certainty people have that Jesus is invisibly present. Under most normal circumstances, if someone tells you their buddy is invisibly present, and certainly if they tell you said buddy died 2,000 years ago...you'd think you would want more evidence that he's present than someone's forceful assertion.

I mean, really. What makes this particular invisible presence more relevant than the last 2,000 years of invisible activities going on? Yeah, but, but this time it's different! I'm sure the Millerites felt the same way!

Making me think of 'When Prophecy Fails'--it's a prime example of, even when what they thought was going to happen didn't happen, rather than actually, fully recognizing that, they just come up with something new to be 'certain' about and ignore the apparent conflicts with reality.

--sd-7

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I just finished The Silmarillion. Any suggestions on next Tolkien to read?

by sd-7 in

i've read 'the hobbit', 'the lord of the rings' (including the appendices, well, except the shire calendar and elvish language), and 'the silmarillion'.

i was really impressed with 'silmarillion'.

almost seems like it could be a movie in itself.

sd-7

Fine. I'll move it back to the top, but not without some frivolity thrown in.

"Evidently, Melkor, who wickedly defied Manwe and Illuvatar, prefigured modern-day apostates. Rather than establishing their own apostate organization--if, indeed they are capable of organizing--apostates prefer merely to spread lies and corrupt Jehovah's clean organization. They manufacture bizarre, inaccurate copies of the reality in their unclean publications, spreading their disloyal lies like gangrene, but never accomplishing anything more than leading people away from the truth and into falsehood, doubt, and oftentimes even immorality and atheism! They are incapable of providing 'food at the proper time', so they spend countless hours murmuring about the fine spiritual food Jehovah has given us and deceitfully blaspheming those Jehovah has appointed to take the lead. Just as the Valar amassed their armies and vanquished Melkor, casting him into the outer darkness, so Jehovah will, along with his Anointed Son, Jesus Christ, cast all wicked apostates into the outer darkness where they will gnash their teeth."

--sd-7