Those tricky bastards. The only problem is, I would love to get my hands on a pdf or image of the original print to verify.
Norcal_Sun
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Help.. was the 8/15/68 WT altered later?
by Norcal_Sun inhello, i am doing some research on 1975 again, and i came across this on a couple different sites:.
are we to assume from this study that the battle of armageddon will be all over by the autumn of 1975, and the long-looked-for thousand-year reign of christ will begin by then?
possibly, but we wait to see how closely the seventh thousand-year period of man's existence coincides with the sabbathlike thousand-year reign of christ.
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Help.. was the 8/15/68 WT altered later?
by Norcal_Sun inhello, i am doing some research on 1975 again, and i came across this on a couple different sites:.
are we to assume from this study that the battle of armageddon will be all over by the autumn of 1975, and the long-looked-for thousand-year reign of christ will begin by then?
possibly, but we wait to see how closely the seventh thousand-year period of man's existence coincides with the sabbathlike thousand-year reign of christ.
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Norcal_Sun
Hello, I am doing some research on 1975 again, and I came across this on a couple different sites:
Are we to assume from this study that the battle of Armageddon will be all over by the autumn of 1975, and the long-looked-for thousand-year reign of Christ will begin by then? Possibly, but we wait to see how closely the seventh thousand-year period of man's existence coincides with the sabbathlike thousand-year reign of Christ. If these two periods run parallel with each other as to the calendar year, it will not be by mere chance or accident but will be according to Jehovah's loving and timely purposes....It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years." -- page 499(assuming this is from the bound volume??) WT 8/15/68
And this is from the actual scan I found and is also in the WT Library:
Are we to assume from this study that the battle of Armageddon will be all over by the autumn of 1975, and the long-looked-for thousand-year reign of Christ will begin by then? Possibly, but we wait to see how closely the seventh thousand-year period of man’s existence coincides with the sabbathlike thousand-year reign of Christ. If these two periods run parallel with each other as to the calendar year, it will not be by mere chance or accident but will be according to Jehovah’s loving and timely purposes. Our chronology, however, which is reasonably accurate (but admittedly not infallible), at the best only points to the autumn of 1975 as the end of 6,000 years of man’s existence on earth. It does not necessarily mean that 1975 marks the end of the first 6,000 years of Jehovah’s seventh creative “day.” Why not? Because after his creation Adam lived some time during the “sixth day,” which unknown amount of time would need to be subtracted from Adam’s 930 years, to determine when the sixth seven-thousand-year period or “day” ended, and how long Adam lived into the “seventh day.” And yet the end of that sixth creative “day” could end within the same Gregorian calendar year of Adam’s creation. It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years.
This part in bold sure does sound like it was added later. The scan I refer to is here: http://www.truthandgrace.com/WT1975falseprophecy.htm
So, how can I find an image of this original quote? Was it changed?
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1951-1969 Awake PDFs!
by Atlantis innote: update 2017-08-07 - most of the links in this thread are long-dead so have been removed, please contact atlantis if you need these documents.. new files for the awakes from 1951-1956. credit goes to bereanbiblestudent.. 1951 awake, 1952 awake, 1953 awake, 1954 awake, 1955 awake, 1956 awake.
awake files posted in an earlier post.
credit goes to cabasilas:.
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Norcal_Sun
Making a new post about this discrepancy
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1951-1969 Awake PDFs!
by Atlantis innote: update 2017-08-07 - most of the links in this thread are long-dead so have been removed, please contact atlantis if you need these documents.. new files for the awakes from 1951-1956. credit goes to bereanbiblestudent.. 1951 awake, 1952 awake, 1953 awake, 1954 awake, 1955 awake, 1956 awake.
awake files posted in an earlier post.
credit goes to cabasilas:.
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Norcal_Sun
Hi Norcal_Sun,
you wrote:
"I looked up the 1968 article on 1975 and they completely changed a whole paragraph."
Could you give a reference to the article containing the changed paragraph?
This is some important information!
VM44
OK I am confused. I found this quote floating around on one or two websites:
Are we to assume from this study that the battle of Armageddon will be all over by the autumn of 1975, and the long-looked-for thousand-year reign of Christ will begin by then? Possibly, but we wait to see how closely the seventh thousand-year period of man's existence coincides with the sabbathlike thousand-year reign of Christ. If these two periods run parallel with each other as to the calendar year, it will not be by mere chance or accident but will be according to Jehovah's loving and timely purposes....It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years." -- page 499(assuming this is from the bound volume??) WT 8/15/68
And this is from the actual scan I found and is also in the WT Library:
Are we to assume from this study that the battle of Armageddon will be all over by the autumn of 1975, and the long-looked-for thousand-year reign of Christ will begin by then? Possibly, but we wait to see how closely the seventh thousand-year period of man’s existence coincides with the sabbathlike thousand-year reign of Christ. If these two periods run parallel with each other as to the calendar year, it will not be by mere chance or accident but will be according to Jehovah’s loving and timely purposes. Our chronology, however, which is reasonably accurate (but admittedly not infallible), at the best only points to the autumn of 1975 as the end of 6,000 years of man’s existence on earth. It does not necessarily mean that 1975 marks the end of the first 6,000 years of Jehovah’s seventh creative “day.” Why not? Because after his creation Adam lived some time during the “sixth day,” which unknown amount of time would need to be subtracted from Adam’s 930 years, to determine when the sixth seven-thousand-year period or “day” ended, and how long Adam lived into the “seventh day.” And yet the end of that sixth creative “day” could end within the same Gregorian calendar year of Adam’s creation. It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years.
This part in bold sure does sound like it was added later. I found some images of both the WT 8/15 and Awake 10/8. Check them out here: http://www.truthandgrace.com/WT1975falseprophecy.htm
They are copies of the articles pertaining to 1975.
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1951-1969 Awake PDFs!
by Atlantis innote: update 2017-08-07 - most of the links in this thread are long-dead so have been removed, please contact atlantis if you need these documents.. new files for the awakes from 1951-1956. credit goes to bereanbiblestudent.. 1951 awake, 1952 awake, 1953 awake, 1954 awake, 1955 awake, 1956 awake.
awake files posted in an earlier post.
credit goes to cabasilas:.
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Norcal_Sun
Are there any updated links to some of these pdfs? I am specifically looking for the 1968 and 1969 awakes. I looked up the 1968 article on 1975 and they completely changed a whole paragraph. I want the original scan, is someone hosting it somewhere else?
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INVISIBLE CHILDREN/Kony 2012
by TimeBandit injoseph kony is one of the world's worst war criminals and i support the international effort to arrest him, disarm the lra and bring the child soldiers home.
kony's rebel forces abduct young children in uganda.
the boys are forced to be soldiers and made to kill their parents.
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Norcal_Sun
If you watched the video you would know that the US has sent a team to help Uganda arm themselves and stop this man. But the problem is if they get the impression that no one in the US cares, they may withdraw their support. This is why you will be seeing "Make Kony Famous" all around the internet. To keep the fire under their asses.
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Foreclosed Identities
by Norcal_Sun inhave been doing some enlightening reading today about what the psychological community dubs as "foreclosed identities.
" this is where you never reach the identity creation phase due to another's (usually your parents) beliefs being forcefully imposed upon you.. this is a very interesting article from a psychologist's point of view.
his example is a highly religious person.
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Norcal_Sun
Have been doing some enlightening reading today about what the psychological community dubs as "foreclosed identities." This is where you never reach the identity creation phase due to another's (usually your parents) beliefs being forcefully imposed upon you.
This is a very interesting article from a psychologist's point of view. His example is a highly religious person. I encourage you all to comment on the article and give your testimony. He seems to be dubious about how religion can impose a foreclosed identity on someone. As we all know this is a very real phenomenon.
A good quote from the article:
Being a 'foreclosed' person means that there is a real discrepancy between one's organism-values and believed-to-be-true values. Such people must continually exert effort towards keeping their commitments to their believed-to-be-true values alive, or else their organismic-values may threaten to overwhelm them. A foreclosed person is like a mermaid trying to bail water out of a leaky boat. The water is the mermaid's natural element, but she doesn't know that in her foreclosed state (having been raised by land-dwelling humans who convinced her of the badness of her hydrophillia -- yes, I know it's a stretch, but just go with me for a minute...). She expends enormous energy trying to maintain her precarious state of floating on the water (she bails and pumps to the point of exhaustion). The moment she stops bailing, however, the water level in the leaky boat will rise and ultimately she will become submerged. The tragedy (or comedy) here is that she won't drown at all. She just thinks she will.
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by Norcal_Sun ini just read this on the website reddit.com, about a teenager's experience with being kidnapped from his parents house and drove to this "academy.
" also later on he mentions that it is in the nevada desert near area 51 and so you are very isolated and can't easily escape.
also your parents sign over 51% custody to this group.
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Norcal_Sun
SONOFA!! I can't post a topic title, it won't let me edit the post.. Arg..
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by Norcal_Sun ini just read this on the website reddit.com, about a teenager's experience with being kidnapped from his parents house and drove to this "academy.
" also later on he mentions that it is in the nevada desert near area 51 and so you are very isolated and can't easily escape.
also your parents sign over 51% custody to this group.
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Norcal_Sun
I just read this on the website Reddit.com, about a teenager's experience with being kidnapped from his parents house and drove to this "Academy." Also later on he mentions that it is in the Nevada desert near Area 51 and so you are very isolated and can't easily escape. Also your parents sign over 51% custody to this group. They definitely use mind-control techniques to "reform" these kids. The good news is he didn't break and eventually left because he refused to conform. If you are interested there are a lot more stories, comments in the thread below.
These places exist IN AMERICA, they're completely legal, and they're only growing. It's the new solution for parents who have kids that don't conform blindly to their religious and political views, let me explain: After the initial shock of what I thought was a kidnapping, it was explained to me that my parents had arranged for me to attend Horizon Academy (http://www.horizonacademy.us/) because I admitted to them that I was atheist and didn't agree with a lot of their hateful views. Let me give you a detailed run-down of my experience here: To start off it's a boarding school where there is literally no communication with the outside world, the people who work here can do anything they want, and the students can do absolutely nothing about it. The basic idea is that you're not allowed to leave until you believably adopt their viewpoints and push them off on others. The minimum stay at these places is a year, an ENTIRE YEAR, that means no birthday, no christmas, no thanksgiving etc.; my stay lasted 2 years. The day to day functioning of this facility is based on a very strict set of rules and regulations: you eat what they give you, do what they tell you (often just pointless things just to brand mindless submission in your brain), and believe what they tell you to believe. Consequences for not adhering to these regulations include not eating for that day, being locked in small rooms for extended periods of time and the long term consequence of an extended stay. There's a lot more detail and intricacies I could get into, but my main purpose was to spread awareness to the only group of people I feel like could do something about this."
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Spanking JW children can lead to Problems
by is there help out there inwe all know jw children must sit quitly in there seats or they are taken to the back and given a spanking.
here is what can happen to then.. .
toronto (reuters) - spanking children can cause long-term developmental damage and may even lower a child's iq, according to a new canadian analysis that seeks to shift the ethical debate over corporal punishment into the medical sphere.. the study, published this week in the canadian medical association journal, reached its conclusion after examining 20 years of published research on the issue.
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Norcal_Sun
I personally think that physical punishment is the lazy way to discipline. It is easy to hit a child, but a lot more difficult to try to explain to them why it is wrong in a manner that will encourage them not to do it again.
By the time a kid is two and starts working out their independence, and start misbehaving as such, they are old enough to understand what you are saying to them and can be reasoned with.
This has been my experience with my son too. He has almost never been bad on purpose. I have rarely had to punish him. When they are little they usually need to be redirected from the behavior, if its getting into something they shouldn't or fighting over a toy. If you remove them from the situation then its usually cleared up. And now that he is almost 2 we have started doing time outs in his playpen for 1 or 2 minutes. He will test the boundary a few times but then we put him in time out and he cries but usually stops his behavior. The only time he has acted up is when he is really tired or teething. When he gets older we are going to use more logical and natural consequences for bad behavior. Children do not enjoy being humiliated and it really f***s with your self esteem. Spanking at the meeting is the ultimate humiliation.
Now lets compare my JW nephews and niece. They have been spanked since they were 6 months old (yes, swatted at 6 months old!) Spanking does NOT equal good discipline. The kids are bored, unruly and the youngest one has NO respect for his parents AT ALL. Not an ounce. Spanking no longer works on him and hes only 5. He doesn't care if he gets spanked, it becomes a challenge to show that it doesn't effect him. Also he has a lot of anger already and I know that the poor kid is going to have a hell of a time.
Here is another relevant study:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1983895,00.html