Posts by Butterflyleia85

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My hero Grandpa John...

by Butterflyleia85 in

there he is grandpa john.

the greatest man who ever lived (in my eye anyways lol).

i'm the lil girl in the middle bout 20 years ago.

There he is grandpa John. The greatest man who ever lived (in my eye anyways lol). I'm the lil girl in the middle bout 20 years ago. He ment the world to me. He cared so much for his grandkids, wanting the best for them. He was the head of the building commitee back in the 80's and 90's. He cared so much for people and was very handy. I loved hearing his stories of how he was such a rebel (mischievous) when he was a kid.

He was a good man to grandma and he tried very hard to keep the family and the congregation together. I know he wanted all of us to live a good life as a Jehovah's Witness. I wonder what he would have done or thought if he saw all his (6 except 2) grandchildren falling from religion going their own ways. I wonder what his doubts were? What keep him strong during the 70's or when the Jehovah's Witnesses where criticized?

He was an Elder and I think a wonderful example. He passed away in 1999.

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Layin' some heavy stuff on ya'

by AK - Jeff in

three days ago i became aware that my daughter was arrested.

again.. here's a little history.

we adopted this child when she was 2 months old.

Butterflyleia85

My father went to jail and my mom put a restraining order on him, for fear he would steal us kids (me age 5-18 and my sister just a baby) away from her. She had depression and wild stages. She was angery and bitter at times. I saw the hurt in her. But while she was going through that my grandparents where there to rescue us.

We stayed with my grandparents most of the time seeing mom for dinner and on wkns. I loved my grandparents!! They we're fun, taught me tons, and because they were retired we got to do alot together!!

I got to write to my dad. But at that age it didn't affect me as much but for my sister I think more (even though she says it didn't). Just remember they will think about their mom and dad... avoiding it wont help but as others suggested letting them know the basic and then comfort them that you are there and will always be there... Helps more then you know!! (That's why I hold so strongly to JW believe my grandpa was my hero in my life and he died faithfully to JW believe, I never wanted to leave, but my flaws and mistakes got the better of me)

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Layin' some heavy stuff on ya'

by AK - Jeff in

three days ago i became aware that my daughter was arrested.

again.. here's a little history.

we adopted this child when she was 2 months old.

Butterflyleia85

Oh AK-Jeff, you sound like a wonderful father who just want the best for his childern. My Dad and Mom went through problems thus I was parented by my grandparents!! That is a wonderful and great thing for those childern.

Everything that was ever wrong in her life was due to our failure as parents - even though ironically, it was her very ignoring of the principles we had tried to instill that kept screwing up her life. I was getting worried that she was deep into drugs now. She would not tell us where she lived. She was now wanted on warrants for failing to appear for her probation meetings. And her emails were subtly threatening. I began to review our home security out of fear that she would try to abduct her children in the middle of the night - or worse. I feared that she was using some very serious drugs, running with the worse of the worse. I had no idea what might happen. She had never been violent [with us] before, but paranoia began to creep into my thinking, and we had to work hard to assure it did not leak out to the kids - it was never our intention to poison the well as regards their mother.

No that's not true. My grandparents tried their best as my mom today tries her best... Your daughter is confused and doing drugs can effect her thinking. We as young adults are young adults! Each of us find our lessons and healing from hurt in our own ways. It doesn't make it your fault, hopefully she will find that out sooner then later. (My cousins have been through drug abuse also my fiance back when he was in his 20s, there is still hope and sometime jail or something like this might wake them up)

As for now take care of your grandchildern, give them the 'safe haven' and love they need!! Make them feel special and it's good to not revile to them things at an early age... but not lieing to them but giving them words of comfort.

She will turn 30 next month. I don't know if she will see the outside before she is 40. I don't know how this will end. I am focused on the kids. I am not sure how to tell them, or when. I don't think I will tell them for a long time. They have gotten used to never hearing from her, or knowing what she is up to. I will not hide the truth from them, but see no rush to discuss it at this time.

That's good. Questions will come in your kids but for me I didn't dwell on it til I was in my teens.

My love and consern is with you and your family! I pray for the best.

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How much apostate is in each JW ?

by inbetween in

recently i talked to some jw, even so called strong ones in the truth:.

i noticed, they do not believe everything from the wts, for example:.

one older sister, a close relative of mine, she has been pioneering for years, babtizes over 40 years ago, mentioned, that sometimes she wonders about certain teaching, but she can not say anything, because somebody would say, she speaks against jehovah himself..further she said, she remmebers 1975, and that the society tried to blame the brothers, but was clearly responsible itself... i was quit shocked to hear that from her, and i added some careful comments in the same direction.... other brothers do not agree with certain teachings, like resurrected ones will not marry, or animals will not eat each other etc.... maybe those are "minor" issues, but if you doubt one teaching of gods channel, doesnt that mean, you doubt the whole thing ?.

Butterflyleia85

But what is the situation today? During the nineteen intervening centuries since the first-century visible theocratic organization, the Christian congregation has undergone serious changes and split-ups. The flock of God has been scattered and hundreds of sects, just like those that Paul warned the Corinthian congregation against, now exist throughout Christendom. Has this advanced the theocratic order and the brotherhood of the Christian congregation? On the contrary, Christendom’s religious disorganization has resulted in violent religious wars and persecution. As an example and prophetic pattern of these reprehensible leaders of Christendom, the apostate priests of Israel were addressed by Jeremiah, at Jehovah’s direction: "‘Woe to the shepherds who are destroying and scattering the sheep of my pasturage!’ is the utterance of Jehovah. Therefore this is what Jehovah the God of Israel has said against the shepherds who are shepherding my people: ‘You yourselves have scattered my sheep; and you kept dispersing them, and you have not turned your attention to them.’" (Jer. 23:1, 2, 11, 12) Jehovah will not allow such false shepherds to go unpunished. (The Watchtower 10/1 1967 pg 585-591)

It's when it gets really bad they step in... they want to avoid this at all costs. Allowing one to think for themselves and come to their own reasoning but warning them not to stubble others.

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How much apostate is in each JW ?

by inbetween in

recently i talked to some jw, even so called strong ones in the truth:.

i noticed, they do not believe everything from the wts, for example:.

one older sister, a close relative of mine, she has been pioneering for years, babtizes over 40 years ago, mentioned, that sometimes she wonders about certain teaching, but she can not say anything, because somebody would say, she speaks against jehovah himself..further she said, she remmebers 1975, and that the society tried to blame the brothers, but was clearly responsible itself... i was quit shocked to hear that from her, and i added some careful comments in the same direction.... other brothers do not agree with certain teachings, like resurrected ones will not marry, or animals will not eat each other etc.... maybe those are "minor" issues, but if you doubt one teaching of gods channel, doesnt that mean, you doubt the whole thing ?.

Butterflyleia85

I agree TD... that's very true my grandpa (Elder) said that way back when he was alive. I just couldn't put my finger on it at this time.

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How much apostate is in each JW ?

by inbetween in

recently i talked to some jw, even so called strong ones in the truth:.

i noticed, they do not believe everything from the wts, for example:.

one older sister, a close relative of mine, she has been pioneering for years, babtizes over 40 years ago, mentioned, that sometimes she wonders about certain teaching, but she can not say anything, because somebody would say, she speaks against jehovah himself..further she said, she remmebers 1975, and that the society tried to blame the brothers, but was clearly responsible itself... i was quit shocked to hear that from her, and i added some careful comments in the same direction.... other brothers do not agree with certain teachings, like resurrected ones will not marry, or animals will not eat each other etc.... maybe those are "minor" issues, but if you doubt one teaching of gods channel, doesnt that mean, you doubt the whole thing ?.

Butterflyleia85

Isaacaustin, yeah I was thinking she was going to too, but the pm... and your claims on my other posts have been stuck in my brain. What holds the WTS so highly... How did God apoint them? (Geez why can't God come down here and tell us!!! lol This is driving me nuts.)

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The Moral Life

by Butterflyleia85 in

jw
friends

"the moral life a thematically arranged anthology of philosophical readings, contains an unusually wide range of topics including religion, sexual relations, capital punishment, and genectic engineering.

steve luper and curtis brown have expanded the readings for the second edition to include full introductory chapter on ethical theory and a new chapter on terrorism.

new selections throughout the text include writing from confucius, hinayana and mahayana scriptures, walter block, and michael walzer.. the moral life features wide coverage of many topics; chapter introductions that describe the readings and place them in a rhetorical framework, a good balance of opposing points of view and end of chapter questions.".

Butterflyleia85

Try also reading CAPTIVES OF A CONCEPT. You can google that one and I think you can simply download it from the internet at lulu.com (for a small fee). It will help with whether the Governing Body is God's representative.

(onthewayout from another board post)

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Everyone Please Enter, I'm New Here

by tryingtoexit in

jw
friends

i've been lurking in the shadows of this forum for about 6 months or so.

i'll try to be brief here, but i apologize in advance if this is not "brief enough" for you.

anyways i'm a 27 year old african american young man, i was born and raised a jehovah's witness.

Butterflyleia85

Hi tryingtoexit! Welcome to the board! You will find it very encouraging and understanding! I'll be encouraged to see more of your posts!

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How much apostate is in each JW ?

by inbetween in

recently i talked to some jw, even so called strong ones in the truth:.

i noticed, they do not believe everything from the wts, for example:.

one older sister, a close relative of mine, she has been pioneering for years, babtizes over 40 years ago, mentioned, that sometimes she wonders about certain teaching, but she can not say anything, because somebody would say, she speaks against jehovah himself..further she said, she remmebers 1975, and that the society tried to blame the brothers, but was clearly responsible itself... i was quit shocked to hear that from her, and i added some careful comments in the same direction.... other brothers do not agree with certain teachings, like resurrected ones will not marry, or animals will not eat each other etc.... maybe those are "minor" issues, but if you doubt one teaching of gods channel, doesnt that mean, you doubt the whole thing ?.

Butterflyleia85

Trying to catch up... but just got the PM...

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How much apostate is in each JW ?

by inbetween in

recently i talked to some jw, even so called strong ones in the truth:.

i noticed, they do not believe everything from the wts, for example:.

one older sister, a close relative of mine, she has been pioneering for years, babtizes over 40 years ago, mentioned, that sometimes she wonders about certain teaching, but she can not say anything, because somebody would say, she speaks against jehovah himself..further she said, she remmebers 1975, and that the society tried to blame the brothers, but was clearly responsible itself... i was quit shocked to hear that from her, and i added some careful comments in the same direction.... other brothers do not agree with certain teachings, like resurrected ones will not marry, or animals will not eat each other etc.... maybe those are "minor" issues, but if you doubt one teaching of gods channel, doesnt that mean, you doubt the whole thing ?.

Butterflyleia85

""Scrolls" will be opened. These will be instructions published to help resurrected humans to perform those "deeds" that will qualify them for everlasting life. (Revelation 20:12) The educational facilities and programs in the "new earth," being directed by Jehovah and his Messianic King, will be far advanced in comparison with anything Satan’s world has ever offered."