Posts by Janey214

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Back Again about Disfellowshipment.... Please Help!!

by Butterflyleia85 in

ok so i'm doing alot better by going on this website and message board... everyone is so incouraging and wise!

i'm really happy but struggling.. i look at this website and i am down again..... http://www.watchtower.org/e/19880415/article_01.htm.

if someone can pick at this and help me deal with being disfellowshiped please do so.... i know alot of you are going to be like duh will don't go to jw website or stay away from it.

Janey214

I agree with Kaytee and just wanted to put my two pence in.

I'm not Jehovah's Witness, never have been and never will be, but at the same time my advice isn't necessarily to walk away from their organisation if that is where you feel comfortable.

Pour your heart out in prayer to God and read from the Bible, read about the Prodigal Son as Kaytee said. Obviously we don't know what you were ex'd for so it's very difficult for any of us to really advise in my view not that I'm asking you to tell us either.

If you were disfellowshipped for something that most religions would consider to be serious like abortion for example, then I would use this period of time as an opportunity for reflection over what went wrong to make you disregard or not follow the teachings of your faith. This is an opportunity for you to look seriously at whether you want to be part of your faith, and to turn your life around. It's a long, hard and difficult struggle to return to feeling in favour with God when you've gone off track, but at lot of those feelings of inadequacy I believe are from the devil. Satan doesn't want you to succeed in returning to your Father in Heaven's favour, he wants you to fail and unfortunately he's an enemy that does have 'outposts in your head'.

Just keep reading and praying, pondering and thinking. Follow Jesus example and find yourself a quiet place where you can go and ponder and be with God, where you can cry and scream and praise all to your heart's content. It doesn't have to be anywhere special, it can be your bedroom, or your car or just when you're walking the dog. It doesn't matter, but it needs to be somewhere free of distraction.

You're in my prayers.

J x

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Did I commit the unforgivable sin?

by AlexHall in

when i was ex-communicated by the jw s a couple of years ago one thought ran through my mind.

had i commited the unforgivable sin?.

i have willingly divorced my wife without a scriptual reason for it.

Janey214

Just my "tupenneth" ~ what happened to repentance? Even if someone literally became apostate and then realised their error surely they'll still be able to get back to God?

Isn't it more about those people who apostacize (sic) and fight willingly and openly against God right until death? Aren't they the ones who'll really be condemned?

J

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We mutually ended my "studies" today

by Janey214 in

jw
friends

just wanted to say thanks for all the 'help' some of you have been and all the help some of you have been.. .

we mutually ended studies today, i think my two witnesses realised that they were losing more ground than they gained :-s.. .

eep, i never set out to upset them, but i think they fear they're losing their faith.. .

Janey214

Thank you so much all of you for your support - and SixofNine I'm in England :-)

I just can't believe that after we, as in me and the two ladies who visited with me, both agreed that the studies were getting nowhere, especially when it was them that brought it up not me, that they would then have the audacity to send around two men to harass me. And I don't use that word lightly.

I could semi understand their reaction if I'd been going out to meetings or whatever but all it's been is an hour or so on a Monday chatting about the Bible.

Anyway, like I said to them when they questioned me on it yesterday, I never said that I was looking for help from them they simply turned up and we got talking. I don't have a problem with that and I feel that I've come away from the studies with greater knowledge about the Bible and my own faith. I feel that the work I've done with them has somehow strengthened me even when I've been in direct opposition with their points.

I don't think I'll be quite so willing to listen to any of them though next time. I get that they think that they're saving me from being destroyed completely, but to be quite honest, if God is anything like their portrayal of Him then I'd prefer to be.

J

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We mutually ended my "studies" today

by Janey214 in

jw
friends

just wanted to say thanks for all the 'help' some of you have been and all the help some of you have been.. .

we mutually ended studies today, i think my two witnesses realised that they were losing more ground than they gained :-s.. .

eep, i never set out to upset them, but i think they fear they're losing their faith.. .

Janey214

Can anyone tell me why the fudge I've just had two JW guys at my door!?!? Asking me why I gave up studying and what it was that was wrong? Apparently they thought I was gonna get baptised- I've never even been to a single meeting.

????

Has anyone experienced this? They started having a go at me on my own doorstep that I had wasted their time. You'd think I'd requested their visits.

GRRRRR

J

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We mutually ended my "studies" today

by Janey214 in

jw
friends

just wanted to say thanks for all the 'help' some of you have been and all the help some of you have been.. .

we mutually ended studies today, i think my two witnesses realised that they were losing more ground than they gained :-s.. .

eep, i never set out to upset them, but i think they fear they're losing their faith.. .

Janey214

Hi Arshia,

Well here are the primary questions they couldn't answer for me - I'll try and be as concise as possible.

1. Does Watchtower believe itself to be a prophet who has restored the primitive church or brought forth new revelations? If so, in what way have the prophecies been received? If not, then how exactly do they know they are doing as God directs.

2. Why did the settle for the Protestant canon of scripture as opposed to the Latin Vulgate or the Greek Septuagint? What inspired them to use that canon rather than others?

3. They dismiss various Old Testament ideas saying they were concluded with Christ. Their claims to me included that the Abrahamic Covenants were fulfilled, that the old priesthood authority was over in Christ. In relation to the promises in Revelation from which they take the 144,000 they say this was spiritual Israel and totally separate from the literal Israel of Abraham's covenant. Two things - if the OT covenants are no more then why are there still rainbows, and also where do they get the teaching that there is a 'spiritual and literal' Israel?

4. The Bible is in their opinion only written for the 'anointed ones'. Again, where did they get this idea from?

5. They hammer home the idea that there is some sort of checklist that a true 'organisation' must exhibit in order to be considered the true organisation which they of course believe is fulfilled by the Watchtower. At no point have they been able to show me one particular thing that they can say that they and only they practice.

6. They said to me several weeks ago that they 'had no heavenly hope'. I am so very sad for them. I want to be able to meet Christ, to see Him and hear the timbre of His voice and do all I can for Him because of all He has done for me. Sadly they don't believe that they will be able to get to heaven because they are not of the 'anointed' class.

7. They seem to have a complete disregard for other religions or faiths no matter how good they are or how close to the gospel they are, instead referring back to a constant need to be affiliated with the faithful and discreet slave. They actually said to me, in all honesty, 'well why not join the JW's because if you're right then you won't have lost anything', based on my belief that no honest seeker of Christ or even honest and good person will be 'annihalated' by God just because they weren't in the right church.

I guess they're the main points. The fact that they don't have the Sabbath day as such was a stickler for me too. I found that their beliefs were almost pick and mix which is fine but when you question them about how they've come to a certain conclusion about a certain scripture they just couldn't answer me. I don't believe that God is a god of confusion, I believe that there must be one church or group somewhere that has it 100% right, otherwise what's the point??!?!?

Jane

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We mutually ended my "studies" today

by Janey214 in

jw
friends

just wanted to say thanks for all the 'help' some of you have been and all the help some of you have been.. .

we mutually ended studies today, i think my two witnesses realised that they were losing more ground than they gained :-s.. .

eep, i never set out to upset them, but i think they fear they're losing their faith.. .

Janey214

I'll tell you what bugs me about it, it's like they don't actually care about my eternal salvation - they've just decided that's it because they can't answer my questions. grrrr

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QUESTION TO JW REGARDING THE DOCTRINE OF 144,000

by Celestialfrontier in

i am not a jehovah's witness, and until yesturday i never knew the beliefs of your congregation.

when i did finally read them, i was amazed to discover that most of what the lord has revealed to me as truth, through my prayers and studies, is found in your beliefs.

and out of all the christian denominations that exist, "most" of your beliefs are according to the word of god, unlike the other churches.. .

Janey214

CelestialFrontier - what other faiths (even non-Christian ones) have you actually looked at?

I'm in the process of studying a variety of different religions and it would seem to me that what you've indicated in this topic as being solely what the JW's are doing, well that there are other groups that do just those things :-)

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We mutually ended my "studies" today

by Janey214 in

jw
friends

just wanted to say thanks for all the 'help' some of you have been and all the help some of you have been.. .

we mutually ended studies today, i think my two witnesses realised that they were losing more ground than they gained :-s.. .

eep, i never set out to upset them, but i think they fear they're losing their faith.. .

Janey214

Hi everyone,

Just wanted to say thanks for all the 'help' some of you have been and all the help some of you have been.

We mutually ended studies today, I think my two witnesses realised that they were losing more ground than they gained :-S.

Eep, I never set out to upset them, but I think they fear they're losing their faith.

Anyway, again, thank you!

J

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LSD to Uphold Blood Sacrifices in Near Future!

by cameo-d in

these sacrifices have continued at all times, from adam until jesus christ, but whether they should continue subsequently is disputed by some.

this is because the ordinances of god have been changed by man.. .

in these latter days, the lord god has restored the fullness of the gospel to the earth, and opened up the dispensation of the fullness of times.

Janey214

I think you'll find that this article relates directly to the Strangite sect of mormonism. They have no current temples. And the 'apostles' highlighted above are nothing to do with those you'll find in utah. I would also assert that the writer of this article was being particularly ambiguous in relation to what was referred to as 'sacrifice'; the writer appears to be referring to the animal sacrifices of the OT, however these are quite catagorically something that is not practiced in the current LDS church - the one with the guys in suits on bicycles. In fact the Book of Mormon teaches that the 'last and greatest sacrifice' was that of Jesus on the cross. Their current teachings on sacrifice relate to 'sacrificing the things of this world'.

The writer seems to be confusing the issue of sacrifice with one of blood atonement, whereby when civil and ecclesiastical laws are one day run by the same man or men, then one would pay for one's most grievous sins through the shedding of their own blood, this would not exempt them from the atoning sacrifice of Christ, but in many ways is similar to capital punishment.

There appears to me to be a world of difference between the teachings of the Strangites and that of the main mormon church.

J

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just a few questions I don't want to ask directly hell

by Janey214 in

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friends

hello - first may i apologise for capital letters my keyboard has gone screwy.

for the last several months i have been having meetings with two really nice women from the jw organisation.

i don't want to offend anyone by asking these questions i am simply trying to better understand how the watchtower came about without listening to too much anti stuff.

Janey214

Morning everyone,

I don't have time right now to write at length, I came on to check what had been posted so that I can consider it. I would just like to add one thing though as there seems to be a bit of a theme about God not being able to change His law, in relation to the blood issue with WT. Didn't He change His law from OT to NT?

:-S

J