What a finish!
That was exciting for sure - glad to see NZ get the draw, it was a good match.
lepermessiah
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Recollections of Ted Jaracz (edited title to not confuse with poster "TJ")
by DNCall instartfragment.
barbara anderson described ted jaracz as kind and nice to outsiders in the congregations, but mean as all get out to the average bethelite worker, sometimes seeming like two different people in one body.
i think that is a fair assessment based on what i had observed over the years.
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lepermessiah
He seemed quite put out that I did not know him. He proudly told me his name and that he came from Bethell. I said oh and walked away. This was about two years before I escaped.
LOL - Awesome!
What a "humble" group of loving men those GB members are!
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My Life - In Bob Dylan Songs
by BluesBrother inoh sister.
i was young when i left home ..i was all along the watchtower.
once told don't think twice, it's alright we are with god on our side.
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lepermessiah
This was a true lyric for me:
"I went to Church on Sunday
when she passed by.
And my love for her
is taking such a long time to die.
I'm 20 miles out of town with Cold Irons Bound!
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Theodore Jaracz of the Governing Body died this morning
by Altar ego inbro.
jaracz died this morning, wednesday, june 9, 2010 at about 7:30 am.
he was 84 years old.
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lepermessiah
That is interesting - of course, that was before they learned "the truth"
I had several C.O.'s who were ex-military.....one wanted to be a general, but told us he read Revelation, was scared stiff, and then discovered the JW's.
In answer to Herd, yes he did - I am not sure of the details as to what branch of the US military, but he mentioned to a small group of us that he served in the military (I had an assembly part) , and may have mentioned it from the platform in a talk.
I used to laugh because he LOVED intimidating the hell out of people. He would have people at the assembly scurrying around like scared little mice!!!
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Theodore Jaracz of the Governing Body died this morning
by Altar ego inbro.
jaracz died this morning, wednesday, june 9, 2010 at about 7:30 am.
he was 84 years old.
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lepermessiah
I despise Losch - he is a creep. Public Enemy #1
Herd is in the same league - self-righteous, pompous, former army man who loves to intimidate people.
I had dealings with both of them and couldnt stand either of them! I knew we were all screwed when they made the G.B.
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I Love EVERYBODY!!!!
by minimus ini love every color, every nationality, every ethnic group, every body!!!.
how about you?
let's start a love in..
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lepermessiah
I agree with you Min, but totally echo what OUTLAW says:
Its like my favorite bumper sticker says:
Jesus Loves You - but everyone else thinks you are an @$$hole!
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Interesting language in the "JW and Child Protection" article
by lepermessiah inplease read the second-to-last paragraph.. ok, are you a man-made human organization, or jehovah's organization?
nice to be able to make both claims when convienient!
when it comes to running rough-shod over people on every other matter, its jehovahs organization.
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lepermessiah
Please read the second-to-last paragraph.
Ok, are you a man-made human organization, or JEHOVAH'S organization? Nice to be able to make both claims when convienient! When it comes to running rough-shod over people on every other matter, its JEHOVAHS organization. When it comes to shirking responsibility, its a HUMAN organization. Give me a break!
http://www.jw-media.org/aboutjw/article23.htm
Jehovah’s Witnesses and Child Protection
Also in Spanish
Child abuse is abhorrent to us. This is in harmony with the Bible principle recorded at Romans 12:9. Even one abused child is one too many. For decades The Watchtower and Awake! have featured articles to educate both Witnesses and the public regarding the importance and the need to protect children from child abuse. Among others, there were the articles “Let Us Abhor What Is Wicked!” published in the January 1, 1997, issue of The Watchtower; “Help for the Victims of Incest,” in the October 1, 1983, Watchtower; “Your Child Is in Danger!” “How Can We Protect Our Children?” and “Prevention in the Home”, all in the October 8, 1993, Awake!, as well as “Child Molesting—Every Mother’s Nightmare,” in the January 22, 1985, Awake!
When any one of Jehovah’s Witnesses is accused of an act of child abuse, the local congregation elders are expected to investigate. Two elders meet separately with the accused and the accuser to see what each says on the matter. If the accused denies the charge, the two elders may arrange for him and the victim to restate their position in each other’s presence, with elders also there. If during that meeting the accused still denies the charges and there are no others who can substantiate them, the elders cannot take action within the congregation at that time. Why not? As a Bible-based organization, we must adhere to what the Scriptures say, namely, “No single witness should rise up against a man respecting any error or any sin . . . At the mouth of two witnesses or at the mouth of three witnesses the matter should stand good.” (Deuteronomy 19:15) Jesus reaffirmed this principle as recorded at Matthew 18:15-17. However, if two persons are witnesses to separate incidents of the same kind of wrongdoing, their testimony may be deemed sufficient to take action.
However, even if the elders cannot take congregational action, they are expected to report the allegation to the branch office of Jehovah's Witnesses in their country, if local privacy laws permit. In addition to making a report to the branch office, the elders may be required by law to report even uncorroborated or unsubstantiated allegations to the authorities. If so, the elders receive proper legal direction to ensure that they comply with the law. Additionally, the victim or anyone else who has knowledge of the allegation may wish to report the matter to the authorities, and it is his or her absolute right to do so.
If, when confronted, the accused confesses that he is guilty of child abuse, the elders take appropriate congregational action. If he is not repentant, he will not be permitted to remain a member of the congregation. Even if he is repentant—is cut to the heart and is thus resolutely determined to avoid such conduct in the future—what was stated in the January 1, 1997, issue of The Watchtower applies. The article said: “For the protection of our children, a man known to have been a child molester does not qualify for a responsible position in the congregation. Moreover, he cannot be a pioneer [full-time missionary of Jehovah’s Witnesses] or serve in any other special, full-time service.” He would not qualify Scripturally. (1 Timothy 3:2, 7-10) We take such action because we are concerned with maintaining Bible standards and protecting our children. Everyone in our organization is expected to meet the same requirements, namely, to be clean physically, mentally, morally, and spiritually.—2 Corinthians 7:1; Ephesians 4:17-19; 1 Thessalonians 2:4.
In a few instances, individuals guilty of an act of child abuse have been appointed to positions within the congregation if their conduct has been otherwise exemplary for decades. All the factors are considered carefully. Suppose, for example, that a long time ago an 18-year-old male had sexual relations with a 15-year-old girl who was a willing participant. Depending upon the U.S. jurisdiction where he lived when this happened, elders may have been required to report this as an incident of child abuse. Let us say that 20 years have passed. He has been living an exemplary life and he is respected. In such a case, the man could possibly be appointed to a responsible position within the congregation.
Our procedures have been refined over time. Over the years, as we have noted areas where our policies could be strengthened, we have followed through. We are continuing to refine them. We do not believe that our system is perfect. No human organization is perfect. But we do believe that we have a strong, Bible-based policy on child abuse. Anyone in a responsible position who is guilty of child abuse would be removed from his responsibilities without hesitation. We certainly would not knowingly allow him to serve elsewhere, either because he moved or through a transfer. Further, we regularly review our procedures to ensure that they are in compliance with the law.—Romans 13:1.
The Bible teaches that individuals can repent of their sins and “turn to God by doing works that befit repentance,” and we accept what the Bible says. (Acts 26:20) Still, the safety of our children is of the utmost importance. We take it very seriously.
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Governing Body 2.0
by drew sagan ini borrow the phrase gb 2.0 from alltimejeff, who used it yesterday in the post about theodore jaracz's death.. i was interested in starting a thread that addresses the new leadership regime that has emerged within the wts, especially in light of changes (albeit mundane) the organization has undertaken over the past 15 years or so.
while few of us have had close contact with the men in charge, changes they have made in recent years surly reflect a definable leadership style.
it also reveals a little bit about how they view the organization and its future.. from what i can put together, it seems that there a few obvious things to note.. - 1999 seems to be the sea change year in terms of gb appointment and might be seen sybolically as a turning point in terms of leadership for the group.
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lepermessiah
As a former elder for much of that period, I felt that the organization became even more authoritarian and uncaring about the rank-and-file since 1999 when I became an elder, while making "streamlining" moves that made it appear more efficient and less of a burden on the members.I think it was all done for legal protection and cost-cutting, having nothing to do with compassion toward the congregations.
However, the tone of the teachings puts more emphasis on the F&D Slave more than ever, IMO. You cant read an article without them being mentioned. Its all about the 3 P's - politics, procedure, and protocol. Love, justice, mercy, etc.......not important in JW land.
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If You Still "Had" To Go To Meetings What "Disrespectful" Things Might You Do?
by minimus ini know some who go to meetings because they feel they have to because of family or other considerations.. imagine going to a meeting and having your iphone with you!.
how would it look if you had a watchtower in your hands along with a tv guide?.
think about going to a meeting with strong booze breath.. any other suggestions?
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lepermessiah
Explain what the word "generation" means.
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Theodore Jaracz of the Governing Body died this morning
by Altar ego inbro.
jaracz died this morning, wednesday, june 9, 2010 at about 7:30 am.
he was 84 years old.
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lepermessiah
Simple question---Would you feel the same way about ANY GB member if he died, or just Ted Jarcz?
Pretty much, except I dislike a couple other of them even more than TJ.