Bumper sticker I saw recently:
Good girls go to heaven. Bad girls go everywhere!
There you go.
Ada
it seems the watchtower leaders believe that if you were to think about leaving the organization (and listen to "apostates") that you must have a place to go in return.
they feel you must have something, if you were to not accept the organization.
you need hope and belief in something.
Bumper sticker I saw recently:
Good girls go to heaven. Bad girls go everywhere!
There you go.
Ada
well, let me tell you about my experience in dating a married woman about a year ago or so, i was dating a married woman, she did not tell me that she was married, but i found about it and i told her that i know that she is married, then she decided not to see me.
she is really hot.
well recently, i learned that my recent date is actually married, but she is also really hot, should i keep my mouth shut not telling her that i know that she is married, so i can keep the relationship with her, i would not mind because i really like her..
Are you kidding me?
don't worry about it. That's her problem, not yours.
Irate husbands are not something to be taken lightly. Not to mention that you need to be thinking beyond your gratification and understand that this woman is cheating on someone that she took vows with. Look, I'm not a prude, but find someone not married to have sex with. I know the added danger can add a little spice, but it can also get you shot.
Ada
to spontaniety in the organization?
maybe that's an oxymoron, or a contradiction of terms.
i'm referring to public and other talks being filled with quips, good humor, tidbits of wisdom, etc.
There was a time when independant research was allowed. I remember our libraries being full of literature like Strong's Concordance, we had a King James version and a NIV to compare verses, there was another one that had the greek and english both so that you could see the translated word. In studies we often times researched things at the library in order to prove a point. It was allowed to go outside the literature when commenting at the meetings. We had a sister at our hall very much like Blondie. Very intelligent and well prepared with outside resources.
But in my lifetime I saw that change, and I haven't been associated with JWs for 18 years. By the time I left it was very much frowned upon if you "went beyond" the things you were taught. I can only imagine how it must be today.
Very sad, really.
Ada
retired husband:.
after i retired, my wife insisted that i accompany her on her trips to target.
unfortunately, like most men, i found shopping boring and preferred to get in and get out.
You got me too, I clicked on this to see if you got married!
Very funny.
just wondering if anyone has experience with this or knows an x-jw who has been diagnosed.
after years of trying to un-do everything through countless therapies, it appears this has been the problem all along.
i sit with my new psychologist, an expert in dissociative disorders, and she has all the jw lingo down, which tells me she's treated other x-jw's.
Writer, thanks for being brave enough to come here and talk about your experience. I cannot imagine your experience, but I did have my own little piece of hell, and I dealt with it in my own way. I don' t know the terminology for any of it, I seem to have been able to compartmentalize it without developing another distinct personality. Sort of like hiding in a closet and watching it happen to someone else almost like an out of body experience. I know that the therapy will help you heal and integrate this. It sounds like you are a very intelligent individual. I wish you all the best in your road to recovery.
Ada
could someone please point me in the direction of some threads disproving the chronology for the 1914 date?
my brother needs this for a discussion he's having with a jw.. thanks,.
ada.
Thanks, dgp. To be frank, this means absolutely nothing to me. I could not care any less. But it does to both of my brothers involved in this discussion, perhaps only because they like debating so much. One with an interest in getting my JW brother out, my youngest because he is pretty sure he can prove to him some of the lies he has been taught.
Since I'm the one with an account on JWN, I'm trying to steer him towards the "ammunition."
Thanks for the information on the book, hopefully he can find it in the library.
Ada
could someone please point me in the direction of some threads disproving the chronology for the 1914 date?
my brother needs this for a discussion he's having with a jw.. thanks,.
ada.
Thanks, my youngest brother is now in contact with my second oldest brother (there are 5 brothers and 2 sisters in my immediate family). This particular brother is a JW, but he also loves to argue, and can, occasionally be challenged to actually use his brain. So I'm hopeful this will be put to good use to get him out.
I'm sending him the link to this thread so that he can look at it directly. I had thought there was a "best of" thread for this topic but couldn't find it.
Ada
could someone please point me in the direction of some threads disproving the chronology for the 1914 date?
my brother needs this for a discussion he's having with a jw.. thanks,.
ada.
Could someone please point me in the direction of some threads disproving the chronology for the 1914 date? My brother needs this for a discussion he's having with a JW.
Thanks,
Ada
yes, what was the biggest lie that you can think of, that persuaded you to realize that they were not who they said they were ?.
for myself it would have to be the year they picked as the destruction of ancient jerusalem 607 bc.. i have an assumption this was done purposely to coincide correctly with making 1914 an a important pivotal date.
in human history, which by all factual evidence it was not.. unassuming and deceiving manipulation for self marketing purposes.
To me it's a toss-up between Malawi and the NGO. I didn't read all the pages but no doubt that has been mentioned in this thread many times.
since leaving i've started reading my horescope when ever i happen to see one, i don't belive it, i just do it because it was somthing i was always taught as bad and now i am free to do .
does anyone here pay attention to it?.
highdose of the virgo class.
I think they are a tool, not absolute. Not prophetic, but they can help you understand humans a bit better. I certainly would not believe anything as absolute.
I guess the best reason I believe in the stars is that I can see them out there, they must exist.
Ada - Libra with Virgo rising and an Aires moon