Posts by miseryloveselders

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Bristol Palin and her typical black & white right-wing / religious mindset

by Simon in

so, bristol palin is through to the final on dancing with the stars even though it's obvious to everyone with half a brain that she doesn't deserve to be based on her dancing.

she's there simply because the obsessive palin fundies are voting for her.. i thought it was interesting listening to her describe people who think she shouldn't be there as "the haters".. what black and white thinking and typical of the religious / right-wing mentality.

people can't have an opinion that is based on reality and see that better dancers were voted off while she stayed way past her skill level warranted.

miseryloveselders

Maybe it's a cultural difference but when a similar thing happened in the UK one of the contestants had the grace to say "enough ... I shouldn't be in this while better people are voted off" and effectively voted himself off.

Somehow, I can't see Bristol doing that. She'll happily stand there waving the trophy knowing full well she hasn't "won" it.

Funny how that goes. The "thick" genes that she inherited definately aren't from her mother's side. However she did inherit her mother's egotistical attititude, and has has the same ability that her mother has in being purposely oblivious to people seeing through her "one of us" facade. Jesus said, "he that has seen me, has seen the Father." Bristol said, "he that has seen my pre-porker-chubby azz dance, and then attribute my success with common people identifying with me, has seen my phony retarded mother."

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Is it wrong of me to think of the GB, the Writing Department, Bethelites, Pioneers, as moochers, and leeching bloodsuckers?

by miseryloveselders in

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friends

i'm exhausted right now.

it's been a very long day.

both physically, and mentally, althought the latter otweighted the former by tons.

miseryloveselders

And it's exactly that situation that keeps things from ever changing.

By the time a Bethelite has been there long enough to potentially make a difference, they've been there 20 or 30 years.

If they rock the boat too much, they'd get tossed out on their tushes. The example of Ray Franz a generation ago, and the 2 or 3 thousand "reassigned" Behtelites form 3-4 years ago, serves to reinforce that notion.

Suppose you're a "prominent Bethlite", and in a position to "make a stand" and have someone pay attention.

Then you think "what if I 'lose'? Then I'm out on the street, at age 50-55-60, with no Social Security, no pension, no savings, no job skills, no hope of employment....if I leave Bethel with a 'dishonorable discharge' no one in a local congregation will help me out...maybe I could handle it but what about my poor wife?...."

So no one dares to say or do anything that might cause themselves or their families any personal 'danger'.

And you end up with the mess you see now.

Exactly!! This is everything Christianity was not supposed to be!! You know, I've come across the arguments that Paul hijacked Christianity, and I've heard some good points on both sides of the argument. However, one thing you have to give credit to Paul on was that he didn't beg anybody for anything. He didn't guilt trip anybody into giving him anything. Neither did any of the other 1st Century Christians. They were expected to work and support their own just like anybody else. They did look out for one another as they should have on the basis of love. The Pharisees during Jesus' time, were mad at Jesus because he threatened their tyrannical way of life. They didn't want to see the status quo come to an end. He threatened their establishment.

Here were are 2000 plus years later and the so called Governing Body and other WT Heavies are in the same predicament. They're horrified at the thought that people don't need them, don't want them, and don't want to support them. (2 Thess 3:10) Hence the negative articles towards education which produces critical thinking skills and financial independence which in turn leads to social independence. Hence, the articles that are negative towards having an "independent spirit", because again that indicates a person has a mature Christian conscience. He/She doesn't need anyone telling him/her whats appropriate and not appropriate when it comes to grey areas regarding things not written in the scriptures. (Rom 14)

This organization main purpose is to exist as an organization. They've lost their way, and it pains me because there's so much potential for it, but the leadership is too concerned about maintaining their way of life at everyone elses expense.

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Bristol Palin and her typical black & white right-wing / religious mindset

by Simon in

so, bristol palin is through to the final on dancing with the stars even though it's obvious to everyone with half a brain that she doesn't deserve to be based on her dancing.

she's there simply because the obsessive palin fundies are voting for her.. i thought it was interesting listening to her describe people who think she shouldn't be there as "the haters".. what black and white thinking and typical of the religious / right-wing mentality.

people can't have an opinion that is based on reality and see that better dancers were voted off while she stayed way past her skill level warranted.

miseryloveselders

LOL Burns, we do use the term "thick", although I don't use that word any more, although I did see a white lady with a tremendous tail on her. She had spectacular hip structure. I had to look away for fear of coming off like a pervert. Lil Palin can still have the benefit of doubt on "thick" status, but it won't be long till she's full fledged fat. It's coming, just a matter of time.

That dude is scary looking by the way, I prefer the creepy smile when I show up on someone's door step. That guy looks like he's ready to arrest someone.

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Bristol Palin and her typical black & white right-wing / religious mindset

by Simon in

so, bristol palin is through to the final on dancing with the stars even though it's obvious to everyone with half a brain that she doesn't deserve to be based on her dancing.

she's there simply because the obsessive palin fundies are voting for her.. i thought it was interesting listening to her describe people who think she shouldn't be there as "the haters".. what black and white thinking and typical of the religious / right-wing mentality.

people can't have an opinion that is based on reality and see that better dancers were voted off while she stayed way past her skill level warranted.

miseryloveselders

Psac, she's hot. There's something about those dancers and the outfits they were. Very sexy. I like all that glittery rhinestone shiny stuff. I'm looking for a regular pioneer who dresses like that.

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North Korea just attacked South Korea, wonder where this will head........

by miseryloveselders in

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40329269/ns/world_news-asiapacific/.

seoul north korea bombarded a south korean island with dozens of artillery shells tuesday in one of the fiercest attacks on its neighbor since the korean war ended in 1953.. .

there's more to the story, but copying and pasting was somewhat awkward.

miseryloveselders

It's ok leaving,

I just did not read that part,

I guess I rather hear it from him.

Probably about 15 years ago, the JW lady I studied with

said she thought North Korea was the King of the North in the bible,

anyone else ever heard this?

purps

The last time we studied the Daniel book, people were saying off the record that they believed it was China. Not that long afterwards, 9/11 happened. So I haven't heard much talk lately. So I'm wondering now how China will play her cards. In upcoming weeks we'll hear JWs making remarks off the record again. My Circuit Assembly is coming up, and I'm wondering if any of the speakers may deviate from their outlines just a tad and slip up.

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Bristol Palin and her typical black & white right-wing / religious mindset

by Simon in

so, bristol palin is through to the final on dancing with the stars even though it's obvious to everyone with half a brain that she doesn't deserve to be based on her dancing.

she's there simply because the obsessive palin fundies are voting for her.. i thought it was interesting listening to her describe people who think she shouldn't be there as "the haters".. what black and white thinking and typical of the religious / right-wing mentality.

people can't have an opinion that is based on reality and see that better dancers were voted off while she stayed way past her skill level warranted.

miseryloveselders

As a side point, I think it is good that she gets it out of her system now, as she looks to me as if she will soon be far too fat to attempt this.

LOL, I guess the old reasoning about if you wish to see what you're future bride will look like twenty years from now, look at her mother, doesn't apply to Bristol and Sarah. You would think with all that dancing she'd be burning some calories, I guess not.

By the way James, as a man I like DWTS, some beautiful women on there. Especially Cheryl Burke, I'd give anything for her to love me.

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Is it wrong of me to think of the GB, the Writing Department, Bethelites, Pioneers, as moochers, and leeching bloodsuckers?

by miseryloveselders in

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friends

i'm exhausted right now.

it's been a very long day.

both physically, and mentally, althought the latter otweighted the former by tons.

miseryloveselders

Well not to change the subject. But I am very friendly with an EX C .Servant.( John W) & his wife
Listening to some of what they had to bear is awful. When they were invited to stay in
members homes ,some had damp beds, cockroaches ( many) fleas,Some of the meals they had to Thank Jehovah for was terrible, hairs in them,etc:But had to smile & thank their
hosts & hostesses. Thinking back they wonder how they could have gone on. That was in England

Then they came to the U.S.A & it was the same there (Yes many homes were very kind & clean in all
countries & they traveled to Many))
then they came to Canada .Same issues here also. Thank God Jah Booted em out.
But to listen to their comment WOW!!!! I am glad I didn't join the elite group

Hey Mouthy, thanks for presenting the other side of it. I don't want to be heavy handed. There was a poster on here who went by Winston Churchill whom I believe was a C.O. if I remember correctly. I enjoyed his posts while lurking, and was part of the reason I registered.

At the same time though, make no mistake about it, I find it offensive that those boys in NY criticize everything natural in life that a common JW might do, such as going to school, dating, marrying, working, making a living, planning for their future, anything that might make a JW briefly forget that there is a so called Governing Body. I resent and hate the establishment in this religion for how they pressure people They disgust me. COs and DOs enforce this mentality. They're just like the Pharisees. Some sincerely wish to help, but I dont think I can say that about the majority. The only thing I want to tell all of them is to get a job like the rest of us. Raise a family like the rest of us. Get your hands out of my pocket, I don't owe the COs, the DOs, and the GB anything. Get a job, wash your own clothes, pay for your own trips abroad, pay for you own dinners, worry about getting your own health insurance........we can on and on. I don't work for someone else to reap the benefits. We're being taking advantage of.

It reminds me of 2 Samuel 12, when God sends Nathan to David and informs him of a wealthy man who took advantage of a common man.

1And the LORD sent (A) Nathan to David. He came to him and said to him, (B) "There were two men in a certain city, the one rich and the other poor. 2 The rich man had very many flocks and herds, 3 but the poor man had nothing but one little ewe lamb, which he had bought. And he brought it up, and it grew up with him and with his children. It used to eat of his morsel and drink from his cup and lie in his arms, [a] and it was like a daughter to him. 4 Now there came a traveler to the rich man, and he was unwilling to take one of his own flock or herd to prepare for the guest who had come to him, but he took the poor man’s lamb and prepared it for the man who had come to him." 5 Then David’s anger was greatly kindled against the man, and he said to Nathan, (C) "As the LORD lives, the man who has done this deserves to die, 6 and he shall restore the lamb (D) fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity."

7 Nathan said to David, "You are the man! Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel,

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Finally dared to register

by Hoffnung in

finally i registered today.

being a lurker for quite some months, i convinced myself it is time to give my own 2 pence from time to time.

i am living in europe and i am still 'in', although by now i must be counted as an inactive jw.

miseryloveselders

If I had any delusions left, they are all gone, these WT articles were the GB is claiming divine support, are so appalling. I am not buying any more into this crap! JW these days only need 8 paragraphs to explain they have exchanged Christ's rulership for following the lead of Gerrit Lösch and his 7 fellows. What was it again they hold against catholics and other christians? following men instead of Christ?

JWoods, you beat me to it! It's disgusting, sickening. Hoffnung, welcome to the board. I'm glad you're conscious. This is just the beginning of your ride.

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North Korea just attacked South Korea, wonder where this will head........

by miseryloveselders in

jw
friends

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40329269/ns/world_news-asiapacific/.

seoul north korea bombarded a south korean island with dozens of artillery shells tuesday in one of the fiercest attacks on its neighbor since the korean war ended in 1953.. .

there's more to the story, but copying and pasting was somewhat awkward.

miseryloveselders

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40329269/ns/world_news-asiapacific/

SEOUL — North Korea bombarded a South Korean island with dozens of artillery shells Tuesday in one of the fiercest attacks on its neighbor since the Korean War ended in 1953.

There's more to the story, but copying and pasting was somewhat awkward. This could get interesting.

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Is it wrong of me to think of the GB, the Writing Department, Bethelites, Pioneers, as moochers, and leeching bloodsuckers?

by miseryloveselders in

jw
friends

i'm exhausted right now.

it's been a very long day.

both physically, and mentally, althought the latter otweighted the former by tons.

miseryloveselders

Alright, I'm awake now, and I'm glad to see the comments you posted. In consideration of what some of you posted, I have to backtrack on some of my initial thoughts. Thats what I love about this board. Many pioneers do bust their tails. It's gotta be rough getting those hours, and making a living supporting yourself too. Those in Bethel too, you guys and gals bust your tails also. I apologize for lumping you in with whom I really meant are a bunch of lazy, bloodsucking, mooching bums.

I'll level with you, and share just a hint of what I do for a leaving. I work in health care, and I deal with all segments of the human race. I remember when I was first hired here several years ago, and being present for orientation. One of the orientation speakers mentioned that we have to be caring, and be genuinely empathetic towards those on Medical Assistance. At the time I didn't really understand where she was coming from. After working here a few years and getting acclimated with those on MA, it can make you bitter. You start to lose touch with reality, and start putting people in categories, often unfairly. I've grown up around drug dealers, addicts, and bums, and with the exception of the dealers, I never developed any relationships with addicts and bums. I always looked down on them as weak and pathetic. I was younger then, and I don't hold those same attitudes towards them today. I view the dealers nowadays as more poisonous than their customers. However, people have problems, and life can be complex as evident by the experiences posted on this board. Plus, who am I to judge anyone? As many times as I've messed up in life, and will continue to mess up, I have no business judging anybody. The reason I mentioned all of that was because every now and then under duress, I get those overly negative thoughts and feelings towards those on medical assistance or welfare. Many of them truly need assistance, but there's also a significant portion of them who are abusing the system, and are simply lazy and lack discipline. Many of them have been partying since high school and college, and they wish to continue those poor habits while being funded by the state to support them financially. What's ironic, and humorous to me is, those moochers remind me of many heavyweights within this organization. Let me explain.

When I look at a Circuit Overseer, a District Overseer, a Branch Overseer, a Governing Body member, I don't see men taking the lead. I see men getting financial support for giving talks, going out in field service, and in some cases.......going out of their way to make the common JW's life miserable. I don't lump all those brothers under the tyrannical umbrella, but enough of them have developed reputations stenched with arrogance, unreasonableness, and aloofness. When I work 40-60 hours a week to support myself, and I still keep up with the meetings, field service, personal study, helping out people in the congregation, etc., I'm not real fond when some old moocher comes to the congregation telling me and the rest of the congregation what we need to work on. The average elder hates the CO visit. Prior to being appointed, I hated the CO visit because of the extra meeting throughout the week. Not to mention I really don't see the CO as doing anything thats particulary encouraging. Sure, some of them are good speakers, but mostly what they speak about is the need to continue going out in field service. I wasn't born yesterday, nor later that evening, and it goes without saying that field service is a tremendous waste of time. There's is no growth resulting from the door to door ministry, telephone witnessing, or any of that other nonsense they spew from the platform. And this is what they, the WTS wants me to support financially? These guys and their wives get new cars, often stay in nice homes, hotels, nice apartments, eat at the best restaurants. Where does that all come from? You now the answer. Check out 2 Thess 3:6-9 when you get a chance by the way. Paul didn't ask for anything. The COs don't ask for anything either. The COBOE just reads a letter after the CO leaves showing the CO's expenses and the congregation A-Oks paying for it.

The Governing Body members, well that's another monster unto itself. Lately I view them with utter contempt. They disgust me. Several old men who sit up in a building somewhere in NY living in nice apartments, making a living off of the rest of us. In return for our financial support, these men occasionally go out and give talks, give the ok as to whats printed in their literature much of which isn't even read by the common JW, and more times than not discarded by the general public after the JW leaves their front porch. These men have people that clean their apartments right? Or am I wrong about that? These men and their wives travel the world giving talks, eating at 5 Star resturaunts, rubbing elbows with JWs who are financially well off. Then they have the nerve to criticize anyone who decides to pursue higher education? Most people who pursue higher education don't have aspiration of having the general luxuries that GB members have. Most just want to make a living for themselves. You know a Governing Body member lives a lifestyle better than most college graduates. To think, you can get paid to stand on a stage and speak for 45 minutes a few times a month, and give the verbal ok to print an article that a brother in the writing department researched and wrote, and in return you're given free housing, a car, health insurance, food, etc., its all taken care of for you? Jesus didn't have a place to lay his head. Peter's mother in law stayed with him. The disciples were ordinary men, common types.

There's more , but I'm currently making a living and don't have time get into anymore specifics. It's just that when I think of Jesus' life on earth, and the 1st Century Christians, I find it hard to imagine them having the same expectations of their brethren that the heavyweights in this organization expect of their lower ranked brethren. Especially considering the lifestyle that the heavyweights have grown accustomed to. They're moochers in my opinion.

Another thing, J.R. Brown, according to an older thread, he pushes a Jaguar right? Organized Religion isn't that far different from the dope game when you think about it.