Posts by miseryloveselders

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How The WT's 144,000 Theology Hijacks Their Annual Memorial Meeting

by Room 215 in

at last year's local memorial service, purported to honor jesus' sacrificial death and its signficance to the eternal prospects of humanity, the visiting speaker from bethel quite remarkably managed to talk for almost an hour without one recourse to the word "resurrection".. a remarkable achievement, given its centrality in the belief system of nominal christianity.

nor were the stirring moments of high drama in the bible's depicting of jesus last hours on earth-- his last supper and his prayer for the well-being of his disciples, the betrayal of judas, the agony of the garden; his disciples' succumbing to sleep; his betrayal and arrest in the garden of gethesemane; the scattering of his fear-gripped disciples; peter's denial, and the climactic soul-stirring awareness of the signficance of the empty tomb and its guardian's chilling pronouncement to mary magdalene and the women "why are you searching for the living among the dead?"...

and so on, to his post-resurrection appearance at emmaus, etc.. all of this was swept aside in favor of convincing those in attendance that they had no business in partaking of the emblematic bread and wine.

miseryloveselders

Then they have no need to attend.

I chuckled after reading this. Its the truth, why bother attending if it has nothing to do with me? It's like everything else in WT land when it comes to doublespeak. The commission to preach was given to the 144,000 according to WT doctrine. That being the case, the average JW isn't obligated to do field service, especially this nonsensible 30 hour auxilliary pioneer initiative. The Memorial observance according to WT doctrine only applies to the 144,000, so the average JW isn't obligated to attend. There's a handful of other doctrines that this double speak applies to as well.

Funny I couldn't remember which Bible verse it is on class distinctions, so I Googled it. The very first result was from the Watchtower.Org. Ironic isn't it? James 2:1-4 for those like me who couldn't remember.

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What is in a name? (Cofty, Inkie, Tec, Aguest, LovelyLil, and anyone else who wants to respond)

by tec in

okay, i'm just getting it started.

but i think the basic premise was about going to god through a wrong name, and what that might mean.

this was my comment on the other thread: .

miseryloveselders

Well Tammy, I'm not prepared to comment on this at this time as I'm really sleepy. I'm enjoying a milk shake right now, its pretty good. I'm thinking that a name is only a designation assigned to someone for the sake of identification and nothing more. The respect behind the name is up for interpretation by the subject in question. God being the one that created us and knows us better than we know ourselves, should be able to recognize our hearts when it comes to either the proper pronunciation or improper pronunciation of His name.

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Someone is simply wonderful.

by GrandmaJones in

the other night my sister posted a question for us on how to obtain pdf's of the old watchtowers.

both black sheep and boreanbible student answered and i followed a link to usarchives...27 items.. i am so amazed.

someone has been so wonderful to us.

miseryloveselders

Thank the Faithful and Discreet Slave.

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What is in a name? (Cofty, Inkie, Tec, Aguest, LovelyLil, and anyone else who wants to respond)

by tec in

okay, i'm just getting it started.

but i think the basic premise was about going to god through a wrong name, and what that might mean.

this was my comment on the other thread: .

miseryloveselders

Is that in response to the first post, Misery? LOL.

I don't know, all I know is I'm getting ready to hit the sack and its really difficult to concentrate on these deep threads when getting ready to pass out. So can you tell me what you're talking about in ready to pass out language?

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What is in a name? (Cofty, Inkie, Tec, Aguest, LovelyLil, and anyone else who wants to respond)

by tec in

okay, i'm just getting it started.

but i think the basic premise was about going to god through a wrong name, and what that might mean.

this was my comment on the other thread: .

miseryloveselders

Tammy what are you talking about?

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AndersonsInfo

by minimus in

jw
friends

i am sick and tired of people putting down posters like the andersons!

they work hard to expose some things we might never have known about.

why some find fault with them, or ray franz before them, or maximus when he was here is beyond me.. be thankful for those that decide to come here and share what they know about this organization.. we get elders who are still in their positions and they share with us a lot of interesting news and perspectives.

miseryloveselders

That thought crept through my mind too, Golf Wang, but you've expressed it so well. It's known as "inverted snobbery": Some people such as Ray Franz and Barb Anderson have "earned" the right to express their opinions but others have not earned that right and are audacious to even dare to express their opinions so let's shame them into silence. All of a sudden some people have gone full circle right back into JW-thinking where who you are counts for far more than what you say.

I've been out of town for the past three days working, and I'm catching up with the JWN board. I was surprised as well as disappointed to see the direction this thread took. I'm under the impression that some folks were overly sensitive on this thread. There's a possibility that they may have have even felt threatened which I may or may not be reading into correctly. I like how you put it, right back into JW-thinking. There's always this us vs them mentality, as well as an I Have A Title Or Reputation vs You Don't thing going on. Golf Wang.

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Heads up, the Local Needs part this week is a special talk on blood transfusions.

by miseryloveselders in

jw
friends

a brother called me to ask who was delivering the talk at our hall.

i didn't know what he was talking about.

he then explained to me that this week, for the local needs, congregations across the us will have a brother deliver a special outline on blood transfusions.. .

miseryloveselders

Where is Ynot? I haven't seen her post in ages.

Refresh my memory please, this would not be about signing the cards, right? That happens towards the end of the year?

She posted earlier this week. She's pioneering ths month I believe, and is quite busy doing what mothers do.

This part is primarily about blood transfusions and children from what the brother relayed to me. I don't know if this is a new outline, or an older one.

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Heads up, the Local Needs part this week is a special talk on blood transfusions.

by miseryloveselders in

jw
friends

a brother called me to ask who was delivering the talk at our hall.

i didn't know what he was talking about.

he then explained to me that this week, for the local needs, congregations across the us will have a brother deliver a special outline on blood transfusions.. .

miseryloveselders

This week Baltar. I'll hear it tommorrow. I wonder if Ynot has this outline.

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Heads up, the Local Needs part this week is a special talk on blood transfusions.

by miseryloveselders in

jw
friends

a brother called me to ask who was delivering the talk at our hall.

i didn't know what he was talking about.

he then explained to me that this week, for the local needs, congregations across the us will have a brother deliver a special outline on blood transfusions.. .

miseryloveselders

A brother called me to ask who was delivering the talk at our hall. I didn't know what he was talking about. He then explained to me that this week, for the Local Needs, congregations across the US will have a brother deliver a special outline on blood transfusions.

I'm wondering what caused this.

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AndersonsInfo

by minimus in

jw
friends

i am sick and tired of people putting down posters like the andersons!

they work hard to expose some things we might never have known about.

why some find fault with them, or ray franz before them, or maximus when he was here is beyond me.. be thankful for those that decide to come here and share what they know about this organization.. we get elders who are still in their positions and they share with us a lot of interesting news and perspectives.

miseryloveselders

FaceBook rules the world whilst MySpace languishes as a footnote.

A big part of that is real identity, and the trust that comes with it. MySpacers had usernames, FaceBookers have real names.

Barb Anderson, Randy Watters, Ray Franz, Paul Grundy & Simon Green are real names the WTS knows very well. The anonymous peanut gallery on JWN are entitled to their opinion, but ultimately it weighs less.

Take your pick.

I might be reading this post out of context, someone correct me if I'm reading this wrong but I have the feeling that we've just been insulted..........hmmm. Who would have thought that apostates have class distinctions. So there's the 144,000 true apostates, and then there's the Great Crowd of Peanut apostates.....interesting. All this time I thought we all shared a common cause! Golf Wang.