What is in a name? (Cofty, Inkie, Tec, Aguest, LovelyLil, and anyone else who wants to respond)

by tec 32 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  tec

  Okay, I'm just getting it started. But I think the basic premise was about going to God through a wrong name, and what that might mean. This was my comment on the other thread:

  What sort of prick would god be if she refused a heartfelt cry for help because the supplicant didn't know the secret name? - Cofty

  It isn't the name. It is what you've attributed TO that name, so that you are no longer praying to anything resembling who that name is supposed to represent. When that name now represents something that you have made up for yourself (or that others have made up).

  Okay, carry on. Might need the others comments first for others to get what this is about. I'm rushing; kids are stealing me away soon for a game of Clue... Spy version;)

  Tammy
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  bohm

  Right. So to get right off the bat (is that what its called?) I () would wonder if it is true that:

  • God will answer your prayer if you use his name, otherwise he wont.

  alternatively, if the above is to restrictive:

  • God is more likely to answer your prayer if you use his correct name than if you do not.

  Tammy, but a prayer for help is a prayer for help is it not? for instance, if a child is caught in water and pray for help, does the theological ideas of the child really affect Gods willingness to intervene? (this is assuming you believe he would lift a finger at all in such a situation)
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  tec

  This is where I'm coming from, at least:

  "Christians believe God is love but they don't have a problem with people being thrown into an eternal hellfire" or "How can you reason with a believer when they deny that the earth is 6000 years old."

  I'm probably making a mess of those examples, but the point is that I cannot take to heart such comments, because they do not describe me or my belief. So they aren't really about me. They're about someone else, even though the commenter believes that to be "Christian" belief.

  It is the spirit that matters more than the pronunciation of the name, as far as I know (though I, on my own, know very little). BUT... what if the spirit you have attached to a name does not represent the person behind that name? Then, like the "Christian" example above, you aren't really speaking to or about that person... except perhaps to spread untruth onto the name that is supposed to be theirs.

  Anyway, now clue really calls, so I'm off :)

  Tammy
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  AGuest

  While I truly don't like using the Bible, but my Lord has directed me to respond to you in the following manner, dear Bohm (the greatest of love and peace to you!), in the hopes that you (and perhaps others) will "see" what you were NOT told about this matter, even though it IS written:

  "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." 2 Chronicles 7:4

  Those people are the "chosen (anointed/"christs")... of JAH". Their leader is JaheShua... the MischaJah (chosen of Jah).

  "Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name." Psalm 91:14

  "Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore [they shall know] in that day that I [am] he that doth speak: behold, [it is] I." Isaiah 52:6

  "Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal." Jeremiah 23:27

  "Therefore hear ye the word of the JAHVEH, all Judah that dwell in the land of Egypt; Behold, I have sworn by my great name, saith JAHVEH, that my name shall no more be named in the mouth of any man of Judah in all the land of Egypt, saying, JAHVEH liveth." Jeremiah 44:26

  "And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It [is] my people: and they shall say, JAHVEH [is] my God." Zechariah 13:9

  "... Ye shall not see me, until [the time] come when ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of JAH." Luke 13:35

  "I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word." John 17:6

  There are many, many more scriptures/verses that tell of this; however, religious leaders have not taught the people because THEY don't know God's name. The WTBTS tried... by making "Jehovah" prominent... but their motive was to gain riches and control people, not give glory to the Most Holy One of Israel. In addition, they "climbed up some other place," going AROUND the One who "came in the name of JAH"... Christ. Rather than KISS him, as the Most Holy One of Israel commanded, they've made him a second class entity... with themselves equal mediators and the "way" to God.

  I hope this helps and, again, peace to you!

  A slave of Christ,

  SA
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  bohm

  Tammy, well, on second thought i think i will retract from this thread. My problem is more with the problem of evil -- why would God answer any prayers at all and allow evil? why are some prayers answered and some not? and so on.. i suppose that if this problem is solved, the name-thing is quite minor and a rationalization like the one you give would seem reasonable.

  backing out...
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  cofty

  Tammy it just comes across as yet another lame attempt to excuse an imaginary god's total absence.

  When believers start claiming that unanswered prayer is because the supplicant used the wrong magic spell to invoke god they are clutching at very ancient pagan straws.
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  lovelylil

  I am totally with Tammy on this one!

  Yes the name of Jesus is important for Christ was given the name above all other names that everyone shall kneel in his name, however does it mean if we pronounce it incorrectly he does not know we belong to him? I don't think this is true.

  Calling on the name Jesus means more than invoking the correct name, it means we KNOW Christ and he is our Lord and Master. That we live each day for HIM and him alone. Its not just about a name. How many people call on Jesus name and yet do not do what he says?

  Jesus is not Zeus like someone said on the other thread, that is fundamentalist propaganda. We know who we are worshiping, to be hung up on the "proper" pronunciation is being a bit too nit picky in opinion. Peace, Lilly
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  lovelylil

  (editied) I thought This thread was started to discuss Jesus' name, not to debate atheists.
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  cofty

  It was started because I challenged the foolishness expressed in another thread that god ignored supplications if they were not properly addressed. I am pleased to see you and Tammy are less esoteric in your beliefs
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  cyberjesus

  Yes the name of Jesus is important for Christ was given the name above all other names that everyone shall kneel in his name

  Hey thats my name.... my name is the most important of all... soo now get on your knees....... there is going back because I have the name already regardless of what you think.