I'm struggling trying to keep my eyes open. Wanted to mention I'm happy your still hanging in there. I hope the best for you breh. Post that 6 1/2 page treatise on 1914. It's all interesting. I've found some of the most interesting threads were ones that didnt recieve much action in terms of posts. I don't think I'm speaking for myself by saying I like hearing other people's thoughts on 1914, or 607, etc.. I have to admit the "This Generation" threads were starting to get kinda old, but who am I. If that topic resonates with people and gets lurker's brains in overdrive, than its a good thing. Post that treatise!!
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miseryloveselders
Hope he posts soon. I enjoy his threads and posts.
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When you are debating with a Witness...
by sabastious in...you ever feel like you are debating basic addition or multiplication or something like that?
you ever stop in your head and say:.
"why the hell am i spending time doing this?".
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miseryloveselders
I had that thought after reviewing this thread, watching Leolia and Debator go at it.
Something I've never noticed before until that thread, I'm thoroughly convinced, that Debator is Renaia. There's not a doubt in my mind. The posting styles are too similar.
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Circuit Overseers
by XPeterX inthey came to greece and gave a talk.i don't remember their names but they were definately americans and the one italian something i think.the one was about 50-55 years old and the other guy was about 70+ bald and had some tufts of hair on his head and his voice was very strict,robotic,tending to be high pitched and the latter told us that we have to respect elders and the org's rules without questioning.they were not gb members but they are something like the touring gb.i remember faces.if you have pics post them.does anyone here know them?are there many cos?.
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miseryloveselders
Mercantes(this really how his name is spelled?) is a name I haven't heard since I was a teenager. If he's the same guy I remember, he's made it in the big leagues I guess now. Nice guy from what I remember of him, and what my father said about him. I could have him misconstrued with someone else, but the WT/JW world isn't but so big.
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End of Pioneer Assist - real reasons?
by freddo ini reckon that the sentence at the start of paragraph two of the letter to elders that says "in view of the good results and for other practical reasons, it is now felt that the pioneer assist others program has accomplished its purpose.
" (italics mine) is legal cya because if a pioneer goofs up and injures (while driving?
) or molests an assistee then there is a direct link to the wts because a pioneer is society appointed.. follow the dollars ....
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Copying and pasting texts with different formats doesn't always work out how you wish. I meant to say considering them ending this demeaning program, and what I pasted from that KM, is there a move to be less demanding and insulting to the average dub? Its just funny to me that as Jaracz got sick and died, within the same time frame we see the end of this program, and also this KM article which is almost apologetic in tone. With Jaracz being sick prior to croaking, was/is the Writing Department and other heavies flexing their newfound muscle? Have the hardliners day come and gone?
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End of Pioneer Assist - real reasons?
by freddo ini reckon that the sentence at the start of paragraph two of the letter to elders that says "in view of the good results and for other practical reasons, it is now felt that the pioneer assist others program has accomplished its purpose.
" (italics mine) is legal cya because if a pioneer goofs up and injures (while driving?
) or molests an assistee then there is a direct link to the wts because a pioneer is society appointed.. follow the dollars ....
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miseryloveselders
The Pioneer Assist program was never effective for me...they always targeted me to be in the program because I was "spritually weak" because I was divorced in Jehovahs Organization...then the pioneers they stuck me with never assisted me with anything....they just made me take the doors and made no coments on how to improve, I always thought it was a joke-and for some stupid reason I always felt too guilty to say no, thinking absurdly that Jehovah was trying to help me....
I always felt that this program was demeaning and insulting. Now after reading this post, and another thread related to this subject, I know my thinking was accurate.
Something else I noticed was last week's Service Meeting part taken from the July KM. There's a part entitled, "Am I Doing Enough?" There's a paragraph with content that in all my life as a born-in, I've NEVER read anything from the WTS quite like it. I pasted it below, and bolded the part that stood out to me.
How to View Reminders: During a race, well-wishers often call out encouragement.The purpose is to help the runners to reach their goal, not to demoralize them. Similarly, the Bible-based encouragement and reminders given at our meetings and in our publications to 'preach the word urgently'are for our benefit and are not to imply that our efforts are in some way insufficient.(2 Tim. 4:2) We can be confident that as long as we keep trying to do our best, Jehovah will remember our 'love and works' with favour.-Heb. 6:10.
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assembly conversation overheard.
by wizardca inwasn't this assembly amazaing!
i really loved it.
it seems to get better and better and more encouraging every year.. .
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miseryloveselders
They claim to "need" such programs to keep going--I wonder if that's because they view them as a substitute for Christmas and birthdays.
This is so true. A sister I see periodically on my way to work says things such as this. She asks me, "are you ready for the convention?", as if its some major event. She then goes, "we really need this now. We just get hammered so much by this world. We need something to rejuvenate us. I'm just so tired of all of this, and I just get so burned out. But the conventions come right on time! Just when we needed it!" The whole time she's saying this, she's clenching her fists, and her facial expressions remind me of someone who is constipated. Its really quite bizarre. At times I woneder if she's putting on an act for me to prove her spirituality to me. Or maybe she really does need the convention that bad. I don't know. If only she knew how bad I wish I wasn't attending the convention. I get constipated thinking about it.
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1914 Doctrine is FALSE -- Questions for JW's
by UnDisfellowshipped inis there any jehovah's witness who can answer these questions about 1914?.
can you demonstrate, using the holy scriptures, that the messianic kingdom was established in 1914, that jesus got the full legal right to become king that year, and that jesus returned invisibly in 1914, and that the "last days" began that year?.
1:) no encyclopedia, no history book, and no archaeology book that i have ever seen have ever said that nebuchadnezzar destroyed jerusalem and the temple in the year 607 bce.
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miseryloveselders
You guys were just on the recieving end of a Biblicle smackdown. Consider yourselves Scripturized.
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What do you think about the anointed?
by MrFreeze indo you think most of those who claim to be anointed are faking it or do you think they actually believe they are anointed?
it's something i've always wondered..
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miseryloveselders
I've only known one personally, two if I count another who was a close friend of my father. The one who was a friend of my father was a womanizer slash pervert who had been DF'd at one point. Nobody has ever taken him seriously as being one of the annointed. The other brother was well loved and respected by many. It wasn't uncommon to see people of younger generations going out of their way to hug and kiss him. He really was a pleasant older man that people gravitated towards.
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and the story continues...
by Soldier77 in...last night i had a conversation with mom about being inactive.
i knew it was coming since i haven't seen them for a little while and they came to visit for a few weeks.
well, last night was the meeting... and of course, her husband goes, she doesn't (due to abuse in her childhood involving sra within the kh in another country), and asked if i was going.
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miseryloveselders
I like how your parents and the Elders just assume you need "encouragement." This organization produces a self righteous attitude so well that they just can't accept that person simply doesn't want to be bothered. No, that person needs encouraged. A person is sick of meetings and "The Friends", and the only solution your parents and the Elders can come up with is that you need to be at more meetings to spend more time with The Friends. Classic thinking.