Posts by miseryloveselders

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30 Things White People Do That Black People Don't

by BizzyBee in

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still mopping up the tears of laughter!.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehryl_et5fu&feature=related.

30 Things White People Do That Black People Don't

by BizzyBee in

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still mopping up the tears of laughter!.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehryl_et5fu&feature=related.

miseryloveselders

Must be city kids.

As already mentioned black people ride horses. Don't guess they study history in inner city schools. Ever hear of the Buffalo Soldiers?

Don't go to baseball games? WTF? They play on teams even. Mr. October? Hello?

I can't even give em a pass on NASCAR. Wendall Scott comes to mind...

Undercover I love you dude, but you're showing your age man LOL Buffalo Soldiers? Mr.October? Is Reggie still alive? In 2010, I find it hard to believe black people ride horses LOL. I'm shocked by the revelation though. I never would have associated horses and black people in the deep south. Yeah, I am a city boy.

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30 Things White People Do That Black People Don't

by BizzyBee in

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still mopping up the tears of laughter!.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehryl_et5fu&feature=related.

miseryloveselders

I was surprised that he mention horses. I guess he's never visited the rural Deep South. Horses are very popular here, especially with black people.

Really? I'm a northerner, but black people like horses down there? Crazy!!!

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"This system is soo bad! Its so awfull!"

by highdose in

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friends

the above is something i often heard jw's say in one way or another, but they could never fully eleabourate.. so i propose a debate: is the world "bad and "soo awfull"?

as the jw's would have you belive?.

miseryloveselders

Upon what evidence do you base this belief? Is it really strong enough evidence to not only adhere to the belief but base a worldview around?

I'm just guessing but based on what little I know of psychology and sociology it seems more likely that the stated belief is incorrect and merely a by-product of your Borg indoctrination.

LOL, I hope your right Mad, I really do. I believe this country is headed towards something, I don't know what it is, but something's got to give. I remember the pendulum swung one way with people afraid to say anything because of political correctness. Now the pendulum is swinging the other way where people say whatever it is they want to say. Its getting to the point where extremists appear almost normal. David Duke tried years ago to pull it off, but his closet was too dirty. Pat Buchanon tried too, but I think he was too old and tired to maintain any kind of momentum. In the same way that the entertainment industry continues to push the bar on bad language and sexual content in movies and television to the point you can hear an F-bomb in a PG-13 movie, politicians and pundits have done the same with civil discourse. Or should we call it uncivil discourse. They just keep pushing, and pushing. I wasn't alive when Kennedy got shot, but I sorta get the feeling reading old articles that the mood which existed in the country back then, has reappeared and seems more hostile.

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30 Things White People Do That Black People Don't

by BizzyBee in

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still mopping up the tears of laughter!.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehryl_et5fu&feature=related.

miseryloveselders

He's right on Sloppy Joes and wearing Flip Flops regardless of the weather. I cannot for the life of me figure out the flip flops. Sloppy Joes just look awful to me. It looks like Oprah ate a bowl of spaghetti, and puked it out on a roll and then they slapped the title Manwich on it.

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Could They Dump The Assemblies?

by metatron in

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my theory continues to be that the governing body will be forced to break down the organization piece by piece.. so, i wonder: could they dump the assemblies?.

it is clear - that they are having some problems in this area.

they are selling off assembly halls in some countries, they have moved some district assemblies to assembly halls (to save money on rent) and the pleas for donations from the platform have not let up.. while zombie witlesses may drag themselves to meetings and out in service (with whatever literature/magazines the watchtower manages to afford) indefinitely, i watch this area with interest.

miseryloveselders

I don't ever see them dumping the assemblies. The largest consumer of WT publications are..............JWs. Those assemblies and conventions play a role as promotional events. I think too, like another poster mentioned the social aspect of those large gatherings has a positive effect on the pysche of the average JW. We don't do birthdays, proms, holidays, etc.. The only social extravaganzas JWs are ok to attend is the conventions, assemblies, and the Memorial. JWs buy new dresses, new shoes, new suits and dresses for the kids. JW women desperately try to lose weight starting months in advance of these events. After the convention, people are temporarily on a spiritual high. "This was the best one yet!!" "This old system was beating me down, but this assembly was right on time!!" Granted none of them can give you a logical explanation why they're on a spiritual high, but the feeling is all that matters. The powers that be recognize this and will continue to promote these events. Plus being around a bunch of people that you share a common bond wth does wonders for promotion of sticking with the herd. Even when I was in school, the worldly fellas would allow me to tag along. I felt like I was part of something then. Patriotic people feel the same way waiving their flags and standing next to their fellow Americans. Its the same thing with conventions.

Arrogance on the part of the powers that be plays a role too I believe. I say that because they really make a major stink about skipping the Friday session. They really have a problem with people using their job as a legitimate excuse to miss the opening day of the District Convention. On top of that they want you to be at your seat before the opening song, so you can "enjoy the music that was prepared specifically for you." They really announce it in that fashion, so I take it they really think we're enjoying the music.

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Airman spreads AIDs at swinger parties

by MsDucky in

sergeant charged in hiv casesby deb gruverthe wichita eaglewichita tech.

sgt.

david gutierrez, stationed at mcconnell air force base, has been charged with aggravated assault, accused of knowingly exposing others at "swinger" parties to hiv, the virus that causes aids.. charges were read this morning in military court.. u.s. district court documents that had been available online briefly said gutierrez attended at least 21 such parties, where promiscuous sex is common among multiple sexual partners.. .

miseryloveselders

Yes, I have had sex with HIV positive partners and I am HIV negative. Still. It's not like catching a cold. Or herpes

Sheesh man. You willingly had sex with HIV positive individuals knowing they had HIV? No disrespect, but ehhhhhh, its just hard to imagine.

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"This system is soo bad! Its so awfull!"

by highdose in

jw
friends

the above is something i often heard jw's say in one way or another, but they could never fully eleabourate.. so i propose a debate: is the world "bad and "soo awfull"?

as the jw's would have you belive?.

miseryloveselders

I'm somewhat concerned about the direction of this country. Lately I wonder if we're headed for some kind of civil war, or even a race war. The potential of it is evident by race relations and seperatist movements in the Southwest, particulary California, Texas, Utah, and Arizona. Granted, I'm speaking mostly about the criminal underworld and extremists. I believe criminals and extremists are a reflection of mainstream thoughts and beliefs that civil people are disciplined enough to keep quiet about. Criminals and extremists lack the sophistication to behave and keep their thoughts to themselves. Lately though, with your Sarah Palins, Fox News, Tea Parties, Olbermans, MSNBC, etc, this country is getting warmed up. Its as if there's a bridging of the gap between extremists and mainstremists. We're losing respect for others and civility. There is a deterioration of morals, respect, self respect, manners, love, etc.. Eventually somethings got to give. With all that said, it plays a role into why I'm hesitant to completely write off fundamentalists as being wrong about the world being messed up. It is messed up, and its going to get worse.

At the same time I see Undercover's points about this world always having its rough moments. An argument can be made that its better to be alive now than any other time frame. Thats a fact with advances in medicine, technology, communication, etc.. Even though the previous paragraph I stated race relations are tense, there have been positive changes. Unfortunately I find it hard to believe those advancements will overshadow the current trends of what I mentioned in the first paragraph. I guess time will tell.

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The story of Samson

by Simon in

just a few things in the account that don't make sense and lead me to believe it's just a made of story (really?

a guy with superhuman power?

who would have thought... ).

miseryloveselders

I've gotta bump this thread. This morning when I was getting dressed, for some reason Samson's story was in my head. I started to do a thread on it, but I'm glad I did a search first. Good thread. What do you guys and gals think? Is this story legit, or fictitious?

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For those still in- why do you (really) stay, and what would it take for you to leave the org?

by serenitynow! in

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for the so-called conscious class, those of you who know it's all a disgusting lie, what is the real reason you stay in?

i find it hard to understand how ones who know what the org truly is would continue to be an active jw.

i'm not talking about the "faders"- those with an actual plan to get out as painlessly as possible.

miseryloveselders

Good question Serenity, and fair enough as well. I've got several reasons why I say. The most obvious is family and some close friends. Had my family been one of those families with a history of physical or verbal abuse, bad blood, and contention, it would be easy to walk. Fortunately, and unfortunately thats not the case. I love my parents and my siblings. They've all done quite a bit of good for me. It would hurt them tremendously for me to "leave Jehovah." My mother told me quite specifically that if I leave, she's "through with me." She stated, "It will kill your father. Me, I can handle losing you. I'll move on." Its nothing short of emotional extortion by a delusional JW whom I just happen to love dearly. To be fair, when she made those statements we were in the middle of a heated argument regarding "the truth." She got emotional because she realized I cornered her regarding "the Faithful and Discreet Slave." She had no legitimate comeback, and her being a 2nd generation JW Pioneer, it scared her I believe. I now argue more subtly to keep the peace and hopefully plant a seed. We still have a great relationship as I do with the rest of my family. I love them too much to cause that kind of division. I'll admit though somedays I wonder if my and others situation is what Jesus meant by His causing division in the family. Some religion, this Christianity huh?

I also have friends that I love and respect in the congregation. I know sometimes under duress I've posted on here that I could take em or leave em as if they were no big deal. Truth be told I love many of those in the congregation. Are there flawed people in the congregation and the organization? Of course, but you'll find that everywhere. Just because you leave JWs doesn't mean your grass is snake free and your plumbing will never need maitenance. I had to go to an Elder's meeting earlier this week, and I saw imperfect, flawed men who truly cared about the people in the congregation. Some of these men might be ambitious, and some of their personalities can be quite annoying. However, most if not all are genuinely concerned about the congregation. This Saturday I look forward to treating a shut in older one to lunch. That old fart can eat too. She's lost a touch of her memory, but her appetite is intact. She's thrilled when I make my way to the high rise she stays in, and not for the food. The elderly and shut in at our congregation recieve regular visits, and care. They're truly not forgotten about. I have to give credit to the imperfect men I serve with. My congregation has the typical pet peeves. Ya know, the gossip, cliques, cattiness, etc.. As an adult, I have to look beyond that. That kind of behavior can be found anywhere. To leave JWs because for those reasons I believe shows weakness in an adult. Not that I'm judging anybody's decision if it was for those reasons, cuz I've heard some horror stories. I know many of the horror stories on here are accurate depictions of some congregations. Me personally, if I left for those reasons considering the overall state of my congregation, it would be weakness on my part. It would be the equivalent of the child who takes his marbles and storms home.

The organization itself is a source of division within my heart. There's some days I can see good in this organization, and even believe its being used by Jesus. I believe its a fine thing for resources to be used teaching people about Jesus' life, his example, and what His death did for us. I also think its appropriate to use the Bible's record as a source to consider when making decisions in life. For the record I'm not one of those dudes that thinks the Bible is the word of God. I believe thats utter nonsense. I believe you can understand God and His laws and principles by examining the scriptures. Hence, when the WTS uses the scriptures in their literature to assist people in decision making, and even trying to make sense of the world we live in, I'm ok with that. Where the WTS loses me is the constant patting themselves on the back and criticizing every other faith out there. The WTS would like to envision itself as the Nike of organized religion. Rutherford's personality was strong enough that his stamp is still evident in the tone and atmosphere of the religion as a whole so long after his death. Part of why I stay is I'm hoping, and praying that personalities more in harmony with Christ will eventually triumph and overshadow Rutherford and his children's(Jaracz) legacy. I also hope and pray that down to earth personalities will eventually see the lunacy of Fred Franz and others teachings and start adopting the obvious meanings in the scriptures. Such as the other sheep, and the 144,000. I sort of get the feeling Fred Franz was one of those nuts at the bus stop that you made the mistake of making eye contact with, and you vowed never to make that mistake again. If his nephew and others were capable of seeing through his lunacy, I'm sure there has to be others.

One last thing I'm a true crime fan. I love reading about mobsters, gangsters and what not. I read an interview with John Greschner and Dallas Scott who were two AB members in a federal pen locked down like 23-24 hours a day. They discussed how they were able to maintain their sanity. They both agreed that the best way to do your time was to "beat the man." I'll copy and paste the paragraphs as I found it on another site, and I'm tired of typing. Been typing all day at work, and now on here. This is taken from a book called The Hot House.

"The best way to "do time", Scott and Greschner explained, was by "beating the man". Pour breakfast cereal in the sink in your cell, and water, and let it curdle for several days. It will become potent enough to get you drunk. You've just beat the man. Remove the thin steel wire from inside an eyeglass case and rub it against the bars. It will saw through them. You've just beat the man. Take the plastic wrap covering your food and roll it tight around a toothbrush. Heat it with matches until it becomes hard, and then spend several hours rubbing it against the floor, making its edges sharp. You've just made yourself a plastic knife and beat the man. All of these things have been done at Marion at one time or another, and just when guards were certain they ahd seen it all, convicts like Scott and Greschner would come up with proof that they hadn't.

Beating the man was lesson number one. Lesson two was to feed off the hate. "Anything they do that doesn't kill you in prison, should make you stronger." Scott explained. "The more they try to break you, the more you want to beat them." Pure, unadulturated hate could sustain a man for years."

This might sound crazy, but I view my life growing up as a JW as doing my time. I just didn't completely realize I was in prison until my mid twenties. I might do life, and again I know it sounds crazy but it motivates me. I don't contribute not one cent of my earnings to the WT anymore and its one of several ways I thumb my nose at them. I'm serving as an Elder, and I'm on here posting at an apostate website. I go out in service and I do genuinely try to see if I can offer encouragement to those who need it. At the same time however, I have absolutely no intention of trying to make a convert in field service. When the CO visits, I'm not taking him or his wife out to eat. I aint donating squat to any of his bills. The WTS can pay for the gas he burns in his brand new leased car. I'm not pioneering, I'm not encouraging anybody to pioneer. If someone in the hall ever asks me whether I regret anything in life, I'll tell them I regretted not going to college. I'm not disfellowshipping anybody. I'm reporting pedophiles to the proper authorities, after I beat the living snot out of them. There's a couple DFd people I converse with periodically. There's quite a few faders I talk with that don't know about my true beliefs and being on here. I blow off meetings and assemblies when I don't have any parts or anything to do. I leave early when bored. I might hit the gym during mid week meeting nights. Etc, etc.

I found that it is possible to live dual lives within the WT world. It can be done, and again call me crazy, but it motivates me to keep goin.