Syl, I'm not entirely understanding your question. I will say I don't feel particulary oppressed per say. Maybe systematically screwed over and slightly envious of those born into different situations that appear more attractive than that of my own. But oppressed, hmmm, nah.
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If You Were a Member of an Oppressed Minority ...
by snowbird inhow do you think you would be getting along now?.
why?.
asked in all sincerity.. syl.
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It's OK Lurkers, Paranoid former JW's, and even you current JW's....
by AllTimeJeff init's ok.... to post here on the internet, on jwn, and other jw related forums.. first of all, as we all know, the governing body doesn't provide a forum for jw's to "associate" with their brothers and sisters.
i'm just guessing, and i could be wrong, that its harder to control the flock when they have free access to information and each other.
damn electricity and the technology it brings..... anyway, i realize that for anyone leaving, or for practicing jw's, to post is a nervous thing.
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Welcome Serein and JWGonebad!
Its crazy how after certain "events", there's a surge of newbies. Its awesome!
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It's OK Lurkers, Paranoid former JW's, and even you current JW's....
by AllTimeJeff init's ok.... to post here on the internet, on jwn, and other jw related forums.. first of all, as we all know, the governing body doesn't provide a forum for jw's to "associate" with their brothers and sisters.
i'm just guessing, and i could be wrong, that its harder to control the flock when they have free access to information and each other.
damn electricity and the technology it brings..... anyway, i realize that for anyone leaving, or for practicing jw's, to post is a nervous thing.
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I remember the first time I posted.........wow. It was like killing a small fuzzy animal for the first time. Maybe thats not a good comparison, I don't know. All I know was that it was a tremendous hump. There were several times I came close to posting but my conscience plagued me so much that I couldn't do it. So many times I was gonna create a user acount but I just couldn't do it. I had spoken to disfellowshipped people low-key in times past out of sympathy. Certain friends I knew as a teenager that got DFd I talked to without others knowing. Hung out with a couple of them. I haven't really done that in years as you grow apart from people as you get older for the various reasons we all know. Posting here though, was an alltogether different experience though. We're talking about conversing with.....eek!!! Apostates!! You guys are the worst of the worse as far as former JWs go. I didn't know what to really expect while lurking. I wasn't expecting Satan worshipping kitten killers, but I wasn't expecting characters like Mouthy either.
I have to say, that first post and hanging around was one of the greatest decisions I've ever made in my life. Otherwise I'd still be mad as hell, and frustrated, and you want to know the worst part? I wouldn't have known why I felt so miserable. I had a feeling for a long time that something wasn't right, and maybe I knew exactly what it was years ago but got so caught up in the hamster wheel that I forgot. I assimilated and gradually forgot how to isolate and verbalize what things I felt are dead wrong in this organization. I had also forgotten how to do the same for the good things in this organization which was kinda of an unintentional result of posting, debating, and conversing here. Its like I'm reclaiming my identity, although the argument can be made that maybe I never had one. Been a heck of ride since I got that phony hotmail account that I'll never remember the password to ever again. Well worth it.
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Why the JW's mental image of Paradise is a pipe dream
by Sour Grapes inyesterday during the witchtower study, every one was.
talking about how wonderful paradise will be with no food.
shortages, perfect weather, no pollution, no disease, and be.
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Sometimes when breezing through the WT pictures of what paradise will look like I feel bad because I'm not exactly ecstatic about it. I feel really indifferent about it. Considering how we're trained to think everything is wrong with us, it makes me feel as if my heart isn't complete toward God or something. I'm more excited breezing through the Best Buy ads in the Sunday paper than I am looking at the little kids playing with animals in the WT. I think that the WT's view of what paradise is, is insulting to a degree. If I had perfect health, and a perfect mind with unlimited possibilities, I don't think I'd want to play with animals and drink iced tea all day while dressed in khakis with tucked in polo shirts. Not only that, but to be honest, when I think about the resurrection, I really don't care that much about what many bible characters have to say. I don't want to hang out with any Hebrew soldiers. I don't want to hear any stories from Moses or Jehu, or anybody for that matter. I've heard enough of these stories my entire life. I'd want to finally have a perfect body and mind and push both as far as they can be pushed without the hinderances of a faithful and discreet slave, and the hinderances of imperfection. To have perfection and waste it playing with animals, drinking ice tea and listening to stories of resurrected Hebrews doesn't sound like something to look forward to.
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"Birthdays rob the glory of God"
by sabastious inhumans are unique.
each one is unique in his/her own regard.
like your thumbprint, your life is unlike any life in existence.. .
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MLE,
Let me know if my jokes are getting old. Whenever the topic of birthdays comes up, I automatically wonder if I should take off my pagan pants. And when the subject of 607-1914 comes up, I start searching for new photos of the great pyramid of giza.
Your alright dude LOL. To think all these years we took all this bull shit seriously? I got all high and mighty defending my some eccentric weirdo's views on birthdays. I stuck my chest out and looked at my classmates and teacher and said, "I'm one of Jehovah's Witness! We don't celebrate birthdays!" The only thing I was, was a complete jackass LOL. Humor is the thing that makes it easier to swallow. So keep the jokes coming!! The day I stop laughing about what this loony religion has done to myself and others, might be the day I start investing in ammunition.
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Has WT Tried to Control its Past?
by leavingwt inon another thread, an active jw wrote the following:.
but the past of jehovah's witnesses is all out there exposed for everyone that wishes to see and recount it in detail.
like charles darwin, charles russell lived during the 19th century, too, and, like darwin, russell he had some zany views (like that pyramid of russell's, for example).
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Many things have been " hidden in plain sight " in the Proclaimers book ... though most facts are there because this book is written in
topically not chronological order, the unfolding of thing in in true sense is lost ! In this way you alter the perception of history .
You can scatter individual facts but obscure the complete picture of the actual events .
Example 1925 and 1975 get only a few paragraphs each.. where in reality these year were hot topics in there day.
These years have countless articles and reference made to them , now they are treated always as footnotes to WT history .
Good point. This made me think of events I've witnessed in my life and how huge I thought the events were as they were taking place, but now they mean almost nothing to me. 9/11 was huge to back then, now its not much of a thought. I can think of several events in my life that really don't burn a hole in my brain any longer. I imagine its the same with events such as 1925 and 1975, or even when Ray Franz made Time magazine. It was big time back then, but as time goes on, these images just get compartmentalized in the furthest depths of our memory. I guess you could say on one hand time is the WT's greatest enemy, but at the same time its their greatest allie.
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"Birthdays rob the glory of God"
by sabastious inhumans are unique.
each one is unique in his/her own regard.
like your thumbprint, your life is unlike any life in existence.. .
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Sometimes it takes humor to illustrate how insane some WT doctrines are, and this thread does the job. I had a lotta fun reading the last couple pages of this thread.
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Has WT Tried to Control its Past?
by leavingwt inon another thread, an active jw wrote the following:.
but the past of jehovah's witnesses is all out there exposed for everyone that wishes to see and recount it in detail.
like charles darwin, charles russell lived during the 19th century, too, and, like darwin, russell he had some zany views (like that pyramid of russell's, for example).
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Try looking up those infamous Awake articles prior to 1970 on the CD Rom, that specifically stated you would not grow old in this system of things and ask whether they're trying to control information.. They weren't speculating back then, they were speaking with conviction when they printed that nonsense. You can't locate the articles. Plus the articles in various WT and Awake magazines that were altered when compilated into the bound volumes.
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Fear and the Watchtower
by brotherdan ini was thinking about all the fear that i was brought up with.
i was afraid of all the things that satan could do to me and use to influence me.
i was recently thinking about how strong my mom was about dungeons and dragons.. now, i never had a desire to get into the whole role-playing thing.
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I seem to recall a terrible movie from the Eighties about some teenagers getting overly involved with Dungeons and Dragons. They were running around in a cave or something. Terrible flick. Hard to imagine after all these years D&D is still going strong. World of Warcraft is kind of huge too right? Maybe if the WT came out with a Sampson game where you can find jawbones and kills Phillistines with them, or a King David like character sliinging pebbles in the heads of giants like Goliath, maybe,......never mind.
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What Makes The Apostle Paul Better Than Me?
by Dark Side inone thing in particular has bothered me since well before i left the wtbts .
it's been years since i read anything in the bible, other than quotes on this board, so i had to look up these scriptures online.. before the apostle paul became a christian, he was, by his own admission, an asshole.
galatians 1:13-14 (new international version).
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Before the Apostle Paul became a christian, he was, by his own admission, an asshole.
LOL, I'm sorry, I haven't finished reading your entire post yet, and I will, but this really livened up my day. LOL