Hey, we better not get too excited over AE's letting her hair down.
Little girls are the devil!!!
garyneal
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Letting my hair down.........
by angel eyes inwell today for the first time ive felt i can finally let my hair down and laugh and joke with you guys.....yup....you shall see the funny mad side of me too, that way you'll know im human (not a vampire) lol...... thanks guys......today was a huge turning point for me :) and im happy, real happy...xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.
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Letting my hair down.........
by angel eyes inwell today for the first time ive felt i can finally let my hair down and laugh and joke with you guys.....yup....you shall see the funny mad side of me too, that way you'll know im human (not a vampire) lol...... thanks guys......today was a huge turning point for me :) and im happy, real happy...xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.
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garyneal
I guess you need life call.
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Letting my hair down.........
by angel eyes inwell today for the first time ive felt i can finally let my hair down and laugh and joke with you guys.....yup....you shall see the funny mad side of me too, that way you'll know im human (not a vampire) lol...... thanks guys......today was a huge turning point for me :) and im happy, real happy...xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.
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garyneal
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!!
What a waste but hey, let's see if we can hijack it. What happened to PJS Chipper? I do not see him witnessing to us anymore and I was so hoping he can explain 1914 to me. I see Scholar has also been hard at work trying to convince us of it. I wonder if the WTBTS decides to drop it if Scholar will continue to argue for it?
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The WT is turning out stupid children.
by is there help out there inwhen the children in the kh do not sit still they are taken in the back and spanked and acording to this report it lowers there iq.. .
jeanna bryner.
senior writer.
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garyneal
I was spanked as a child though my parents were not witnesses (in fact they didn't go to church). I believe it was because of the times though as I would also receive spankings in schools by my teachers back then (late 1970s and early 1980s). I think I did okay but who knows, I may be a genius (or in jail) if my parents did not spank me.
My wife and I believe that other methods of discipline are preferable and spanking is generally done as a last resort. Being that she is a Jehovah's Witnessand a School Teacher there is certainly conflict in her. She does not want to spank her child but realizes that the other witness kids her age are much more well behaved and yes they do get spanked. I just keep saying, "So the other parents take their kids to the Spanking Room?" (But I do not make a reference to the book I read with the same name.)
People tell us how our child is smart for her age (age 3) and speaks very well.
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I have finally figured ot how a lot of JWs gain more members besides having more kids...
by cognac ini've noticed that when a bible study is conducted, when worldly people have questions a lot of jws say that there question is covered later in the book.
that way, the worldlys get stopped in there tracks all the while feeling like there questions are getting answered while the assimilation takes place.. they either forget there question or the book tells them what the answer is without either giving them biblical proof or twisting scriptures.
i've noticed a lot of paragraphs in books just telling people what the answer is without scriptures or saying something like, "surely it would make sense that...".
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garyneal
You know, I've noticed that my questions concerning 1914 were largely deflected. I've been asked to read it in some book (I forget the title) which I did and call the elder who was doing the "Bible study" with me and my wife. Notice I said CALL for the last time we had our "study" was the time I asked in about 1914. He said he would research it, and later gave me a bunch of WT babble about the events and secular commentaries. NOTHING FROM THE BIBLE.
I haven't had a study with them since. My wife goes alone now and does it when I am usually at work or doing something else.
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I remember thinking 'why would I want anyone to change from being in the world to a JW?'
by jambon1 indid anyone else feel this way & if so, at what stage in your time as a jw?.
i remember i must have been in the org for about 6 or 7 years.
i was always trying to be the life & soul of the cong.
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garyneal
daniel-p says:
At that point, what do you have? What are you? How much is life worth, when you've given up your ability to think for yourself?In other words, "The unexamined life is not worth living." (Socrates) I certainly agree with that. He too was put to trial for heresy because he challenged his students to critically examine theie accepted beliefs.
jambon1:
Perhaps you can share with us some insite concerning the unhappiness you experienced in the organization? You may have touched on it when you responded to Angel Eyes remarks concerning the weeds in the wheat. One thing I cannot stand is the remarks given by "religious" people who are quick to label critical examination of religious beliefs as "falling in line with Satan." I get accused of it too, especially when my wife tells me that I try to "discount the Bible" or when I try to "disprove God." Personally, I think she is torn but is too afraid to even challenge her beliefs. I was very comfortable with mine until I began to let that WT dogma sink in my head. Now, I find myself troubled at times in spite of the fact that I never joined up with the organization. I find myself not knowing what to believe from time to time.In a way, I envy people like Angel Eyes who are happy drinking the WT Kool-aid. Life is so simple for them for they never have to think for themselves. The Watchtower has it all figured out for them and if they have a question that needs an answer, rather than looking inside themselves, reasoning, and in my case, praying to God and looking for Him to make a way, all people like Angel Eyes has to do is look it up in a Watchtower somewhere. For people like her, the Governing Body has all the answers, one just has to look.
I liken who she is to who I was back when I first became a Christian and started attending a fundamentalist church. The preacher would preach with authority about politics, current events, how to dress, how to worship, how to please God, what to listen to, how to view the holidays, etc, etc, etc.. I liked it at first, as I was certainly seeking answers in life. But eventually, he began to sound ridiculous and at times I caught him contradicting himself. Eventually, some of his preachings began to make me feel like he was speaking directly against me. I was living at home at the time and I was 21 and I even recall him preaching from the pulpit how people over 18 need to be moving out of their parent's home. To say I was depressed over it was an understatement. I eventually left.
But, lo an behold, I found myself latching onto another blowhard who had 'all of the answers' except he wasn't a preacher. He was Rush Limbaugh and at the time I thought of myself as a raving dittohead who looked forward to watching his late night TV show (remember that show). When it got cancelled, I would listen to his radio program almost religiously. When a friend of mine (who happened to be a Witness at the time) said that she thinks I considered it my "little church." She was pretty much right though I did not really see it clearly at the time. In fact, the blowhard preacher at the fundamentalist church looked a little like Rush (and certainly was as no nonsense like Rush) and when I did visit the church, I could not help but to call the pastor to myself Pastor Limbaugh. I know, it is hillarious now but I guess that was how drawn I was to people who had such authority in their speach. Well, around 1998 (after I have been in college for 5 years) and started to think for myself, Rush Limbaugh began sounding very ridiculous to me also. Bill Clinton this, Bill Clinton that, etc, etc..
So I guess in short, I think people are drawn to the WTBTS because of the fact that they seem to "speak" with authority about issues that have no easy answers. People are looking for answers to questions that have no real easy answers. I can certainly see how someone like Rutherford (another blowhard) could amass a following. People like that always have a demon or multiple demons (Rush's demon was Clinton and the liberals, the Pastor's demons were gays, Santa, Xmas because it was suppose to be Christmas, Procter and Gamble, the government, Clinton, televangelists, and liberal preachers). Of course, Rutherford's demons became the WT's demons.
To a thinking individual, these blowhards begin to sound ridiculous and will eventually contradict themselves. To a thinking individual, their diehard followers also sound ridiculous and very child like.
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Today's (10-18-09) Watchtower Study. More Lies...
by tryingtoexit inwell, today is another interesting day.
as some of you all know...i have been trying to make my exit out of the cult but my wife has been giving me some probs along the way.
today as usual i dont go to the meeting, i go on with my day as normal, wash clothes, cook breakfast, and so on.
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garyneal
Wow,
This would certainly explain the exchange that transpired last night between my wife and I at the grocery store.
Wife: We had a talk last night about feeding yourself upon apostate information and drifting away from the truth. I understand you're going on this apostate chat forum and it has affected your thinking. Russell discovered the real truth after centuries of apostate thinking within Christendom.
Me: How has this web site affected me and my love for Bible truth and God?
Wife: People who feed upon apostate information become apostates of Jehovah God and the truth of the Bible. Christendom apostatized and turned away from the truth until Russell later discovered it.
Me: So, you're going door to door telling people your version of the truth isn't like making Christians become apostates of their faith? The way I see it, Christians have the truth but the Watchtower Society apostatized from it by twisting the scriptures to suit their doctrines.
Wife: What they say is the truth, tell me one teaching of theirs that did not come from the Bible.
Me: 1914, did you know that one of the ways Russell predicted it was by the use of pyramidology and astrology? Apparently, the measurements of the pyramid led Russell to conclude that Armagheddon will occur in 1914 along with the planets aligning on one side of the pyramid of Giza?
Wife: Laughs hysterically thinking I lost my mind.
Me: I'm glad you're laughing because I found it just as funny when I discovered this myself. You're laughing at your own religion and believe me, I laugh with you.
Wife: Stops laughing, realizing that I had no reason to be insulted. This is the teachings of her own religion.
Me: Honey, I understand you're trying to serve God the best way you know how. So am I. As much as I wish you could see the things that I see concerning your religion, I understand that for one reason or another you will choose not to look. All I can do is support you in your faith but at the same time I cannot in good concious join you in it.
This must have gotten to my wife because that night she started again looking in the proclaimers book. I told her to look it up, Russell's use of pyramidology is in there. I also explained that even though that book exposes some of the WT's background, it still covers a lot of things up. For example, a picture of Russell's tombstone is in there but not a picture of his 7 foot tall pyramid memorial.
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How will the Watchtower change as OLDER MEMBERS DIE OFF?
by nicolaou inthe 'old-timers' generally carry a congregation.. .
i grew up in a cong' with six members of the 'anointed' - only one remains, a lovely lady with genuine warmth and interest in people who is now in a nursing home.. .
what happens when the depth that these individuals bring is lost?
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garyneal
Gary ,that is not a prediction, they are already well on the way with that one. True, but there are many JW's who are still at least remotely aware of it. My wife being one of them. Eventually, there will be those who have never heard of it. 1914 WHO?!?!
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Mere Children who are Disfellowshipped
by BabaYaga inthis was inspired by another thread, where freetosee told of a young witness baptised at the tender age of 9, and disfellowshipped at age 12!!!
the mind goes wild at what a 12-year-old should ever be disfellowshipped for.
how would a kid be so unrepentant they would deserve losing their family and friends?
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garyneal
They dont excommunicate minors however, though they practise mental child abuse with fear of Hellfire etc. I believe this is what drew my mother-in-law into the JW's. Her mom was a Baptist and would always say that she did not want to be cremated at her death. When asked why, she would respond by saying that she did not want to burn twice. While I cannot say for certain, I do know that when my wife and I were at the KH with her mom and dad, the brother giving the WT study asked what people in. My mom-in-law answered and stated that the non-belief in hell-fire was so comforting for her.
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Mere Children who are Disfellowshipped
by BabaYaga inthis was inspired by another thread, where freetosee told of a young witness baptised at the tender age of 9, and disfellowshipped at age 12!!!
the mind goes wild at what a 12-year-old should ever be disfellowshipped for.
how would a kid be so unrepentant they would deserve losing their family and friends?
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garyneal
These stories are certainly tragic and definitely make me cautious concerning my daughter and the influence that my wife's religion has on her. Personally, I will discourage allowing my daughter to get baptized while she is a minor. To be fair, I will also discourage this within my own church as well. It is hard to know what the age of accountability is but I believe that if we use Jesus's example, He was baptized at 30. Therefore, waiting until our daughter is at least 18 before making that commitment seems fair to me.