Posts by xelder

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My witness mum sent a birthday card.

by creativhoney in

well if there is a congregation contest for shunning i am sure my family will win.. only my mother has been friends with a worldy for as long as i remember.

- the lady in question has terminal cancer and so its a good reason for my mum to be a good christian friend.. mums friend is also mine though i am dfd she never took sides, until now its been a year and she didnt think my mother would be capable of carrying out the shuning to this extent.

- she has lost a lot of respect for her.. today mums friend (and mine) phoned me, i asked what she had been up to how she was.

xelder

One time a few years back, I was serving as a temporary worker at Brooklyn Bethel. At lunch, I personally observed Sister Suiter (Grant Suiter's widow) exchange a "joke" birthday card with another sister. I kidded with them about it and I could tell it made them uncomfortable that I had seen them and they didn't know who I was or who I might tell. LOL

As an elder, I received a couple "joke" birthday cards from other elders. My witness grandma used to call everyone in the family on their respective birthdays just to remind us of the day whe first met us.

An elder in a congregation had an adopted child and they used to celebrate the day they adopted him. I used to joke with my wife that maybe JW's could celebrate "day we brought you home from the hospital" day with our kids. It wouldn't be a birthday, but it would mock the restriction.

There is a very casual view of the restriction on Birthday celebration among JW's

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Judicial Committees - "Works Beffitting Repentance"

by xelder in

a couple years ago the cos and dos were pushing a letter at elders meetings about being more critical of so-called repentant wrongdoers and being tougher on such claims.

do their recent works prove it.

don't just believe tears.

xelder

What "works befitting repentance" were shown at the city of Nineveh in Jonahs time- did all 100,000 plus inhabitants all feel regret. What about king David, the Prodigal son parable?

They were sorry - no proof - God forgave them

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Judicial Committees - "Works Beffitting Repentance"

by xelder in

a couple years ago the cos and dos were pushing a letter at elders meetings about being more critical of so-called repentant wrongdoers and being tougher on such claims.

do their recent works prove it.

don't just believe tears.

xelder

A couple years ago the COs and DOs were pushing a letter at elders meetings about being more critical of so-called repentant wrongdoers and being tougher on such claims. Are they really sorry? Do their recent works prove it. Don't just believe tears. Did they fully disclose all of their wrongdoing?

I got so tired of trying to do Jesus job since our committees always did a poor job anyway. One or two hour JC meeting of personal questions isn't much help to a person. A CO actually wanted us to re-open a case because we didn't disfellowship a fatherless young person. (The stories of the two wrongdoers weren't exactly the same.)

I wish the GB had to face a Judicial Committee for every doctrine change. Would they be honest and forthcoming? Would they manifest 'works beffitting repentance"? Of course they would. They would be cut to the heart. Probably even tears

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Love, Justice, Wisdom, Power - the Resurrection

by xelder in

i have always been taught and believed that, at the end of the day, god is a perfect balance of love, justice, wisdom, and power.

when the ransom provision and christ's kingdom correct man's fall into sin, we will see this as true, no matter what trials we and all of mankind have had to face until then.

honestly, it has never mattered which of the two groups i was in.

xelder

I have always been taught and believed that, at the end of the day, God is a perfect balance of Love, Justice, Wisdom, and Power. When the ransom provision and Christ's kingdom correct man's fall into sin, we will see this as true, no matter what trials we and all of mankind have had to face until then. Honestly, it has never mattered which of the two groups I was in. I just wanted to see a hope for everyone. The appeal of the JW teaching of a paradise earth is that many who died in ignorance get another chance.

So my question is this. What happens to the person who lived and died in China 3000 years before Christ and never even heard of a Jew? What happens to a mentally disabled person? What happens to a nice Muslim lady who is confined to her house all of her life and never taught to read or think? Is the Earth involved at all in the kingdom?

Scriptures:

'let your will be done on earth as in heaven' - 'the meek shall inherit the earth'

'resurrection of righteous and unrighteous' - 'do not marvel - all in the memorial tombs will here his voice and come out' - 'the leaves on the trees are for the healing of the nations' - 'flesh and blood cannot inherit God's Kingdom'

Thanks in advance for your patient and kind responses.

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1930's Great Crowd - Still a "generation" problem?

by xelder in

the recent "generation" explanation redo says that the generation means the anointed living now, and we can still have more anointed, therefore there is no limit on how long the generation can run.

this is an attempt to keep 1914 alive and healthy.. however, the wts still teaches that the great crowd began to be gathered in the 1930's (ex: rutherford had people stand and said "behold, the great multitude) since revelation defines the great crowd as coming out of the great tribulation, doesn't that create a life span problem?

what is going through the minds of even the youngest baptized 10 year old members of the great crowd in 1935 who are now in there 80's.. the other sheep of john 10 seems to fit a discription of gentiles.

xelder

Maybe Rutherford should have said " Behold - the Other sheep" and made no reference to GC never having to die

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1930's Great Crowd - Still a "generation" problem?

by xelder in

the recent "generation" explanation redo says that the generation means the anointed living now, and we can still have more anointed, therefore there is no limit on how long the generation can run.

this is an attempt to keep 1914 alive and healthy.. however, the wts still teaches that the great crowd began to be gathered in the 1930's (ex: rutherford had people stand and said "behold, the great multitude) since revelation defines the great crowd as coming out of the great tribulation, doesn't that create a life span problem?

what is going through the minds of even the youngest baptized 10 year old members of the great crowd in 1935 who are now in there 80's.. the other sheep of john 10 seems to fit a discription of gentiles.

xelder

I don't think the "class" argument would work. As soon as a person dies he is no longer of the GC class - he is now OS

Maybe?

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1930's Great Crowd - Still a "generation" problem?

by xelder in

the recent "generation" explanation redo says that the generation means the anointed living now, and we can still have more anointed, therefore there is no limit on how long the generation can run.

this is an attempt to keep 1914 alive and healthy.. however, the wts still teaches that the great crowd began to be gathered in the 1930's (ex: rutherford had people stand and said "behold, the great multitude) since revelation defines the great crowd as coming out of the great tribulation, doesn't that create a life span problem?

what is going through the minds of even the youngest baptized 10 year old members of the great crowd in 1935 who are now in there 80's.. the other sheep of john 10 seems to fit a discription of gentiles.

xelder

The recent "generation" explanation redo says that the generation means the anointed living now, and we can still have more anointed, therefore there is no limit on how long the generation can run. This is an attempt to keep 1914 alive and healthy.

However, the WTS still teaches that the great crowd began to be gathered in the 1930's (ex: Rutherford had people stand and said "Behold, the great multitude) Since Revelation defines the great crowd as coming out of the great tribulation, doesn't that create a life span problem? What is going through the minds of even the youngest baptized 10 year old members of the great crowd in 1935 who are now in there 80's.

The Other sheep of John 10 seems to fit a discription of Gentiles. But, the WTS distinguishes Other sheep and great crowd with a slight difference. OS will live on earth, even if resurrected, but GC live through the great tribulation. So, maybe Rutherford should have said, "Behold.. a few of you little kids are part of the Great Multitude if you live well past your 80's"

My point is, why do they still teach that the GC began to be gathered in the 1930's. It's getting to the point were their life span doesn't fit the definition. They seem to be always occupied with how prophesy applies to the annointed, but the GC generation isn't working either. Instead of counting the remaining memorial partakers. Let's just count how many OS/GC were baptized in the 1930's, because the end has to come before they die. Right?

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Pray -Jehovah will save you...or let you die depending on "his will." Please Explain?

by Witness 007 in

witness yearbooks are full of experiences where jehovah saved a poor witness who prayed for help...and the soldiers walked passed and did not see them etc, etc.

however, other brothers prayed and still got executed by gillotine so...why does gods will allow such things?

isn't this just random chance put down as god's will?

xelder

Scully-

I'm sorry to hear of your difficulties. The fact that little help came from the JW's is no surprise to me. I didn't say that JW's are good for that kind of help. I was talking about all good people who prove what they are by their actions.

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Pray -Jehovah will save you...or let you die depending on "his will." Please Explain?

by Witness 007 in

witness yearbooks are full of experiences where jehovah saved a poor witness who prayed for help...and the soldiers walked passed and did not see them etc, etc.

however, other brothers prayed and still got executed by gillotine so...why does gods will allow such things?

isn't this just random chance put down as god's will?

xelder

Only Pioneers find five dollars in the trash can, just in time to buy a few gallons of gas so they can make it to meeting. Even when I was an elder, I would never put such stuff in my meeting parts.

However, this does raise some questions regarding God's care for his servants. David said that as he grew old he had never seen the righteous left entirely, or his offspring begging for bread. Jesus said to seek first the kingdom and all these other things will be added to you.

Certainly David experience hunger and thirst in his lifetime. So, what did he mean? God has certainly provided a head on our shoulders and other abilities to provide for ourselves with effort. But when such fails at times, much of our assistance seems to come from godly associates who see our plight and offer assistance. This truly is a provision from God and we can be thankful. We look after orphans and widows in their tribulations, and when we see someone in need, we don't just say - go keep warm and well-fed.

Any other ideas?

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Governing Body's excuse - "the apostles made mistakes too"

by xelder in

we have all heard how the gb can make mistakes and it's ok because jesus apostles had wrong expectations too.

for instance.

peter had faults, james and john too - also, "lord, are you restoring the kingdom to isreal at this time" - etc.

xelder

thanks for your comments - they are truly appreciated.

Narkissos - I'm very sorry if my question was prejudiced. It really wan't intended to be. But thanks for pointing that out.

thanks again to all