flipper -
just to clarify, he had no current allegations to go to the police with - or else that of course would be first step - we were worried about future ones. thanks for your excellent comments.
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Recent Example of Molestation Policy
by xelder inin the 80's a very righteous elder in our congregation was caught molesting his 2 stepdaughters.
he was df'd.
within 5 years he was 60 miles down the road serving as an elder in another congregation.
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Recent Example of Molestation Policy
by xelder inin the 80's a very righteous elder in our congregation was caught molesting his 2 stepdaughters.
he was df'd.
within 5 years he was 60 miles down the road serving as an elder in another congregation.
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In the 80's a very righteous elder in our congregation was caught molesting his 2 stepdaughters. He was DF'd. Within 5 years he was 60 miles down the road serving as an elder in another congregation. (His wife stayed with him) Later he was removed again and now he doesn't serve as an elder. Since then the WTS has made a few (but not enough) improvements in policy. But the legal system in the 80's was behind as well. (There wasn't Megan's law, etc.)
Very recently, we had an older convicted child molester, recently out of prison, attending our congregation. He was not baptized, but his wife was. (Yes, she stayed with him). A sister found out who he was because of seeing it on the "evil" internet. It turns out that the molestation had ocurred to a young girl in another congregation. We needed some information so our elder body had 2 elders call the WTS and the brother at Brooklyn was quite impatient with them and said, 'all you need to know is in letters we've already sent to you, go look in your file'. We disagreed because this was regarding a NON-WITNESS attending our meetings with his JW wife. We wanted to know what warnings we could give our congregation. We wanted to know how many times this had ocurred. What was the extent? Did he fondle her chest or rape her? Can we write to the last congregation for details? So we sent a written request of these issues to WTS.
Answer back was: Give a general talk if you want but no names. Do not mention named molester to anyone. If you see a need, make a shepherding call on a family to give a non-specific warning. Protect Ecclesiastical priviledge. Elders, moniter this individual, follow him into the bathroom - etc. I told the elder body that I would tell at risk families details because this was too important. If that's a problem, I shouldn't serve as an Elder. I told the CO and he said, "I think the legal department makes too many decisions anymore"
I know of elders who take turns with the other elders in there congregation to follow a molester at the assembly. If he sits in the cafeteria, so does the elder and his family. The Elders family has no idea why they have to sit in the cafeteria since all is confidential. But the molester is protected so that he has opportunity to turn around ?????
On the other hand. I've seen an issue when a couple is getting divorced and the wife accuses the husband of molesting a daughter. The daughter has no memory of it. Is it repressed? Is the divorce because of abuse? Or is the abuse accusation because of the divorce. The man is immediately not qualified for congregation priviledges. Given, maybe he's not being a good family head, what if he's innocent of molestation?
What if a 19 year old gets in trouble with his 17 year old girlfriend? Should the congregation view him forever as a molester?
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Do Most Pioneers really Get there time quota?
by xelder indo most pioneers really get there time quota?
over many years, i've known only a handful who were conscientious and actually seemed to work hard and efficiently.. i have long thought that counting time was really stupid.
all on us would kill time inefficiently, but for many years as i served on the service committee, we would review the pioneers activity twice a year.
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Oh yeah - plus
Many times the unemployed were encouraged to not look for too hard work. Just pioneer until God provides.
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Do Most Pioneers really Get there time quota?
by xelder indo most pioneers really get there time quota?
over many years, i've known only a handful who were conscientious and actually seemed to work hard and efficiently.. i have long thought that counting time was really stupid.
all on us would kill time inefficiently, but for many years as i served on the service committee, we would review the pioneers activity twice a year.
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we would have special campaign months every spring around the memorial of Christ's death and get 20 - 30 extra people to pioneer for a month. Then we never could come close to giving them enough territory, so they had to kill time. I'm sure Jesus is very impressed by the awesome little paper reports that he personally reads every month.
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Do Most Pioneers really Get there time quota?
by xelder indo most pioneers really get there time quota?
over many years, i've known only a handful who were conscientious and actually seemed to work hard and efficiently.. i have long thought that counting time was really stupid.
all on us would kill time inefficiently, but for many years as i served on the service committee, we would review the pioneers activity twice a year.
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Do Most Pioneers really Get there time quota?
Over many years, I've known only a handful who were conscientious and actually seemed to work hard and efficiently.
I have long thought that counting time was really stupid. All on us would kill time inefficiently, but for many years as I served on the service committee, we would review the pioneers activity twice a year. I would say only 20% actually made their time by the end of the year.
And much of that time was fake. If the way they worked was at a secular job, they would be fired. Early morning laundry mats, in rural territory, driving as far and slow as possible between making calls on houses, crossing the county, and then driving all the way back to where they started, then coffee break, then a garage sale, then pick up a prescription, then work a couple houses, etc.
I didn't care how they counted time, it was all about the pioneer title for many. I wouldn't recommend a person to begin or continue pioneering if they couldn't get their time (even if it was fake - but that was on them). But the CO's would always want to keep low hour pioneers and put on new pioneers who had been low hour publishers because it made there circuit look better.
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Jesus' Role as Mediator
by sd-7 ini just had a thought--never a good sign, right, ladies?--about jesus' role as mediator, as defined by the watchtower society.
i personally experienced a particularly interesting moment with my mother back when i first started to lose faith in the borg.
(i'm actually going to use that term, borg, now because "organization" makes me cringe every time i hear it, even when it's used at work.
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excelent logic. Thats a new way of looking at it for me
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Hey OTWO -
Go buy it for JF Rutherfords spirit-
It could be the Brooklyn Beth-Sarim for ancient "worthies"
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A Conversation That Sent Me On a Search ...
by snowbird inin 2000, my boss, a police lieutenant, was nearing retirement and had very little work to do.. every afternoon, he used to come out of his office and station himself near my workstation for a chat.
there was something about me that seemed to fascinate him.
i think it was my being a jw; he used to ask probing questions about my belief.. one day our conversation centered on sin and judgment.
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Snowbird - great post
I am fairly new to this sight and just realized last week what Pauls words meant (Rom 6:7). I have read Romans for 49 years, being raised a JW. I have taught the WT explainations for 25 years as an MS/Elder. Thanks to this sight I am rethinking many things and learning a great deal. Thanks to all who take time to contribute
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Can anyone please help me find ....
by xelder ini read an article on a website a few months back.
i'm 99% sure it was by ed dunlap.
it was about the tree of life being christ.
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I read an article on a website a few months back. I'm 99% sure it was by Ed Dunlap. It was about the tree of life being Christ. The author discussed the pre-flood demons and their offspring as an attempt to disrupt the "seed" lineage.
Does anyone else recall it? Can you tell me where? thx
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My witness mum sent a birthday card.
by creativhoney inwell if there is a congregation contest for shunning i am sure my family will win.. only my mother has been friends with a worldy for as long as i remember.
- the lady in question has terminal cancer and so its a good reason for my mum to be a good christian friend.. mums friend is also mine though i am dfd she never took sides, until now its been a year and she didnt think my mother would be capable of carrying out the shuning to this extent.
- she has lost a lot of respect for her.. today mums friend (and mine) phoned me, i asked what she had been up to how she was.
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Grant Suiter was GB member - sorry for not clarifying that if someone didn't know