Posts by xelder

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Help needed: JC standards/questions for "Drunkenness"

by respectful_observer in

i'm hoping those of you in the jwn community may be able to help me out.

an acquaintance (of legal drinking age) may soon be sitting for jc under the charge of "drunkenness".. to those of you who have direct experience either serving on a jc, or being the subject of a jc related to the misuse of alcohol:.

- could you provide a list of questions that were asked of the accused?.

xelder

The tactic largely depends on if you want to stay in the Borg.....I'm assuming that is the case.

Blood Alcohol content is not necessarily considered relevant. The definition of drunkeness is a matter of BEHAVIOR. (Behaving in a drunken manner) Medication could be a factor.

This heavily relies on witnesses, or maybe a DUI, maybe even published in the paper. Several family members saying they repeatedly saw a person drunk is quite different from one person saying that someone was drunk. Absolutely he can face his accusers.

In the end, be cooperative but shocked that anyone would say such a thing and that you will be happy to settle the matter with the offended person. You would never want to give Jehovah a bad name ....blah, blah, blah

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First post / 1914 info

by whichway2go in

my first post here after about 6 months of lurking.

i will comment more and give some more info later, but i am still active, and looking for my way to exit.

i had a question that i'm hoping someone can help with.

xelder

1981 Thy Kingdom Come (kc)

page 186 appendix....an attempt to refute Carl

I conducted this at bookstudy with no clue what they were trying to say or why.....was just boring

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Christian questions to ask current JWs

by Christ Alone in

here are some questions that i thought would be interesting to ask a jw if they were open to a free and open discussion.

this assumes a christian worldview that the bible is the word of god.

if you have any others, please post them!

xelder

It is impossible to know how beings physically relate to one another if they exist in a realm that we don't understand. From the bible at best, we have illustrations that are made for humans to understand in human terms. The whole arguement Trinity vs other beleifs is irrelevant.

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Balaam...Still my favorite Allegory ...thx Sherri Jansma

by xelder in

balaam and his ass pictures who?.

http://www.freeminds.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=650%3abalaams-ass&catid=106%3asherry-jansma&itemid=661.

xelder

Balaam and his Ass pictures who?

http://www.freeminds.org/ index.php?option=com_content&vi ew=article&id=650%3Abalaams-as s&catid=106%3Asherry-jansma&It emid=661

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One experience in our old Kingdom Hall that still HAUNTS me

by Newly Enlightened in

the following is a true experience and my daughter gojira101 will verify that it happened to her.

an experience from our family's past that still haunts me and started my questioning whether this is the true organization of god or not.. my daughter, who has always been a good kid, never gave us any problems [she's an adult now] started regular pioneering.

within a few weeks of her starting, she fell on a steep hill and tore open her knee and had to have several stitches.

xelder

What a difficult time.

The thing is, as an elder at one time, I am sure I made stupid hurtful comments that I regret now. So, I can apologize to you and your daughter for being that type of elder too. I also had hurtful things said to me. But, they are part of what opened my eyes, so I can be thankful in a way I guess. Hope all contunues to brighten for you and your daughter.

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Summary

by xelder in

summary.

8 years ago, my first grandson ethan was born.

i also read a blip on the evil internet from ray franz book in search of christian freedom.

xelder

@ DATA

I was patient. I waited for them to try to help me with my spirituality. Since at the time they still respected scripture, that was my best tool in explaining the bad policies...DFing, blood, chronology, the rights of conscience.

I would say, "Im not teaching this, but since you asked, I will tell you"

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Summary

by xelder in

summary.

8 years ago, my first grandson ethan was born.

i also read a blip on the evil internet from ray franz book in search of christian freedom.

xelder

Summary
8 years ago, My first Grandson Ethan was born.
I also read a blip on the evil internet from Ray Franz book in Search of Christian Freedom. It was about blood. I was researching because my brother was very ill, passed away.

7 years ago, my granddaughter Clara was born and I resigned as an Elder.

5 years ago, I read Crisis of Conscience.
Also my grandson Jonas was born.

4 years ago, as the economy crashed I layed off 90 people.

3 years ago, my granddaughter Ella was born.
Also my wife of 31 years left me.

2 years ago, I began helping my ex with serious depression, alcoholism, 2 DUI's
I also attended my last meeting.
I got my kids out of the borg and all the grandkids :)

1 year ago, my grandson Luke was born.

Even in the midst of pain and change, good things are happening. The future is bright

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Genesis 3:16 - As to ALL Women... or One Woman? A Favor, Please...

by AGuest in

may you all have peace!.

so, as some of you might know (or discern)... or not... i am not your usual submissive/in subjection kind of girl.

given what some apparently expect of women... as wives, daughters, female friends... and in general... i was curious about the greater fulfillment of genesis 3:16, because many are of the belief that it applies to all women as to all men... (including those that aren't their husbands)... and not the just one being addressed at the time (eve as to adham).. personally, other than paul's position on women teaching in public (which was borne of what was occurring in the region at the time, due to by-then jewish culture and roman occupation)... and peter's admonishment for wives to submit themselves to their own husbands... that i know of nothing that validates a woman being in subjection to anyone other than her own husband, and even then such "subjection" is not puerile or unrestrained (so as to just be a given), but borne of love and respect for her husband (in which case it should not be difficult)... who is obligated to honor her, as well.

xelder

Hi again Shelby,

I think scripture has been used to influence many. But, my theory is that male domineering attitudes may predate scripture. People will tend to dominate the physically weaker and vulnerable. Not only was he almost always stronger than her, but she had to be pregnant and take care of little ones. This made her (and still does) have to submit to the jerk and his power play. Hebrew culture seems to have been full of this.

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Genesis 3:16 - As to ALL Women... or One Woman? A Favor, Please...

by AGuest in

may you all have peace!.

so, as some of you might know (or discern)... or not... i am not your usual submissive/in subjection kind of girl.

given what some apparently expect of women... as wives, daughters, female friends... and in general... i was curious about the greater fulfillment of genesis 3:16, because many are of the belief that it applies to all women as to all men... (including those that aren't their husbands)... and not the just one being addressed at the time (eve as to adham).. personally, other than paul's position on women teaching in public (which was borne of what was occurring in the region at the time, due to by-then jewish culture and roman occupation)... and peter's admonishment for wives to submit themselves to their own husbands... that i know of nothing that validates a woman being in subjection to anyone other than her own husband, and even then such "subjection" is not puerile or unrestrained (so as to just be a given), but borne of love and respect for her husband (in which case it should not be difficult)... who is obligated to honor her, as well.

xelder

Howdy Shelby,

Haven"t visited with you since we were at Walnut Creek and met Candice and her mom. Nice to hear from you, hope husband and puppies are well.

Gender aside, abrasive people annoy me. Now I will admit that as a JW all my life, I had extra annoyance with an abrasive female. I don't think that was fair and I try to correct that. I appreciate people who consult, consider other opinions, etc. Now I must also admit that I have been abrasive much more than I care to admit. (Work in progress)

I suppose that some roles require a super confident "A" type personality. (A Fighter pilot has to believe in himself, and so his or her strong personality fits a purpose I suppose.)

My source is just a sense of community fairness (not biblical). It seems a good goal would be to appreciate the natural gifts that TEND to go with each gender. (TEND ... not stereotyping here) I have certainly met many females over the years who I respect and would not want to have to try to win a match of wits (you included). All that said....US GUYS ARE THE BEST :) :) :)

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