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  Are Gods true worshippers on Earth today? If they are not JWs then who are they?

  by Formerbrother in

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  is there gods true worshipers on earth today as jesus said there would be?

  if they are not jws then who are they?.

  who else comes close to being gods true followers today?.

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  Formerbrother, I went through this same question. All I can do is answer for myself. I have found that finding truth is a process, not of finding truth, but of eliminating things that aren't true and continuing to analyse going forward. If people and churches are honest, they will admit the same limitations. The idea of finding the final absolute truth and spiking the ball with celebration is a never ending squirrel cage. If an almighty god (no capitals deserved) were the loving father the bible claims, he is a poor communicator. He speaks through a confusing book? Really? He speaks through prophets? Yeah right!!! If he ever cares to show up, I'm all ears. Until then, I will try to work within the community, attempting to be kind, helpful, based on what is historically useful and scientifically proven.

  I have the right to expect further proof from god. If he demands fear, he can get it I guess. But, the claim is that he is a loving father. If so and he wants my love (not fear) then he has to explain himself. If my statement above deserves only a plague or a bolt of lightning as punishment, then we are back to fear, right? But god is love, right? Then show up!!
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  Share Your Favorite Shakespeare

  by compound complex in

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  give me my romeo; and, when he shall die,take him and cut him out in little stars,and he will make the face of heaven so finethat all the world will be in love with nightand pay no worship to the garish sun.. -- romeo and juliet 3 ii.

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  Crispins day
  
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  Download Raymond Franz PDF Books Crisis of Conscience and In Search of Christian Freedom

  by Tenacious in

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  for those who've never read these incredible books by our friend ray franz.. here are links for both.

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  happy reading!.

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  I will be happy to pay when the lady gets it done. However,It's great that there are places to download these vital books. I have sent them out when needed, I sleep fine.
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  What Songs Best Fit you when you learned TATT and Afterwards?

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  the work of john lennon best fit my situation.

  first, i found out.

  i found out.

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  Paul Simon

  So you see I have come to doubt,

  All that I once held as true.

  I stand alone without beliefs.

  The only truth I know is you.
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  Help Please - Finding It Hard Adjusting To The Real World

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  im asking for you guys help in a phase im going through right now.

  im sure it’ll pass but id appreciate your advice..

  born in, my family consists of mum, dad, two brothers and two sisters.

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  I would go for a bike ride on Saturday morning and feel guilty for not being with the service group, even though I knew that it was wrong to be helping them spread false dates that were trying to coerce people into a cult that will probably separate them from friends and family and encourage shunning. It takes a while for emotions to catch up with logic. But it happens.
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  Help Please - Finding It Hard Adjusting To The Real World

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  im asking for you guys help in a phase im going through right now.

  im sure it’ll pass but id appreciate your advice..

  born in, my family consists of mum, dad, two brothers and two sisters.

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  Nice to meet you contramundum. I sent you a hello in the PM
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  Help Please - Finding It Hard Adjusting To The Real World

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  im asking for you guys help in a phase im going through right now.

  im sure it’ll pass but id appreciate your advice..

  born in, my family consists of mum, dad, two brothers and two sisters.

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  Hey PE.... This is what also happened to me, a born-in 5th generation very visible elder. In 2010 after I turned 50, my then wife and I started a fade. We were scared to lose our children and grandchildren to shunning. Then my wife left me. So, my business was in a decline, my religion was a joke, my 30 year marriage failed, and I risked loosing my kids. I felt so lonely always even though I was never DFd. My parents and extended family ignore me.

  I hated it when people told me that "time will heal", but, it is true. I figured that Dr Time must be a quack. A cut on your arm is easy to monitor as it heals, but our emotions and brains are harder to monitor through the healing process, and can be full of ups and downs. It is like loosing weight. Years of junk food don't disappear in a week. The desire to go back to junk food is often strong, but exercise and good foods eventually change you and you can reach your goal.

  My passion was my grandkids. But also, I read science, (hi cofty), history, took classes at community college, joined a few Meetup.com groups. I remember the day near Bishop, California when I hiked through the 4700 year old Bristlecone Pines at 11000 ft elevation growing out of white rocks that used to be a limestone seabed and proving to myself that no flood waters covered it 4600 years ago. I promise you that at 31, it will likely be worth it. I got my kids out when they were early 30's and we are a happy group of xjw's with new productive ways of life. I occasionally have some strange dream like giving a talk at the assembly and I can't find my notes. But JW influence is 90% gone. Be patient with yourself and understand that you have some damage. It will likely turn out better for you and your daughter someday if you stand for what is right.

  Also, a friendly wave to you single ladies out there:)
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  There is science that prove God exists

  by HopeEverLasting in

  1. jw
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  jehovahs witnesses think that just the bible is proof that god exists but they are wrong.

  there is another mode for how he exists.

  now we all know many scientists who are creationists now weren’t creationists until they examined the evidence for themselves.

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  What other crazy comments do you need to revise because of your lack of thought?
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  There is science that prove God exists

  by HopeEverLasting in

  1. jw
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  jehovahs witnesses think that just the bible is proof that god exists but they are wrong.

  there is another mode for how he exists.

  now we all know many scientists who are creationists now weren’t creationists until they examined the evidence for themselves.

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  poetry is stupid? You hate the Psalms from your Bible? Or are you just speaking more nonsense?
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  There is science that prove God exists

  by HopeEverLasting in

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  jehovahs witnesses think that just the bible is proof that god exists but they are wrong.

  there is another mode for how he exists.

  now we all know many scientists who are creationists now weren’t creationists until they examined the evidence for themselves.

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  xelder

  on the contrary