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Truthexplorer
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How would you describe your Congregation
by Truthexplorer ini would describe my congregation on the whole as quite wooden ad robotic.
though there are some genuine sincere and loving brothers/sisters, there is overall something missing in my hall.
i dont feel incited to love and fine works by the brothers.. i find the boe as a whole - to be quite distant.
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How would you describe your Congregation
by Truthexplorer ini would describe my congregation on the whole as quite wooden ad robotic.
though there are some genuine sincere and loving brothers/sisters, there is overall something missing in my hall.
i dont feel incited to love and fine works by the brothers.. i find the boe as a whole - to be quite distant.
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Truthexplorer
Hi all,
I would describe my congregation on the whole as quite wooden ad robotic. Though there are some genuine sincere and loving brothers/sisters, there is overall something missing in my hall. I dont feel incited to love and fine works by the brothers.
I find the BOE as a whole - to be quite distant. They rarely go on shepherding visits and seem to concentrate wholly on Brothers with potential ie MS's who are being molded into future elders.
I know of one Sister, who has been going through a breakup with her husband and often asked the elders for help. She mentioned to another sister that the elders hardly supported her in all the years she was having problems and would have to go up to them directly to seek help-all the time (never them going up to her and asking how she is doing).
The impression I get is that it is a very much a - 'three strikes and you are out, type of hall'. Ie if you mess up a few times, the elders simply view you as a waster...no longer worth the effort. I often imagine what they would be like as prison guards in some back of beyond third world country, and think that I would not like to be locked up in one of their cells.
Apart from one very nice elder who is very sincere and genuine, the body as a whole are a very strange group of men. I cant make them out at all. In fact 1 Cor ch 13 comes to my mind when ever any these ones (apart from the nice elder) gives items or talks.
I sometimes wonder if this perfect little hall where everyone appears to be related to each other, is the reason why they are this way. Its just a theory, but perhaps a reason, is that they dont want their little utopia to be changed too much. What I mean is, because they perhaps have become to comfortable over the years, they are afraid of the boat being rocked by newer ones coming in and then changing their robotic (whats worked till now) ways. Of course there is the man made flock book they also have to stick to which influences the way they go about things.
If this is the case, then they are to a degree fearful, that their little utopia will change and they wont like it. This may be I beleive, why the BOE are very watchful and suspicious of everyone who might appear to be 'different' to those they control...er I mean shepherd and guide, sorry. They dont strike me as the type of men who are very tolerant or long suffering to individuals they perceive to be weak (if going back to what I mentioned earlier about the 3 strike rule);.
Anyway, sorry for droning on a bit.
Would be good to see how you descibe your congregation.
TE
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Faders are indeed a large army...
by undercover in...and i think it's starting to show.. i started a thread the other day about being hounded after several years of having successfully(?
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i've been taken aback a bit the recent developments but i'm making a new strategy...one that depends more on sticking to my guns and laying the cards on the table.
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Truthexplorer
Hi Wobble,
You are right; I did post with paragraphs, but my post all clumped together for some reason??? To be honest I wouldnt have read it either if it was a laid out similiarly by someone else, so can understand where you are coming from.
I did try to resend it, but was no further forward?? If there is any one out there who may have the time, please copy it to a microsoft word 93 (or what ever) and then split it into paragraphs and please have a read, as its from the heart and really worth a look. All of you can have a realtionship with Jehovah, despite the terrible situation many have found ourselves in. http://perimeno.ca/God's_Organization.htm
Thanks for your point though.
TE
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It's official--I'm out.
by sd-7 in"sd-7 is no longer one of jehovah's witnesses.".
i always imagined this day would come.
i'm not sure exactly how i knew.
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Truthexplorer
Hi sd-7,
I havent fully read through this thread and apologise for that. Though you find yourself in this predicament, you can still have a close relationship with God. Believe me, it is worth it. My heart goes out to you at this time. Dont lose faith in God. mere men may have put you in this position, but I can assure you, it was not God who has done this to you; for he is always close to those who are sincere in heart and obey his commands (not mens). May the spirit of truth lead you into a true relationship with Jehovah (YHWH). http://perimeno.ca/God's_Organization.htm
Philemon 1:3 (NKJV)- Grace to you and peace from God our father and the Lord Jesus Christ
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Faders are indeed a large army...
by undercover in...and i think it's starting to show.. i started a thread the other day about being hounded after several years of having successfully(?
) faded.
i've been taken aback a bit the recent developments but i'm making a new strategy...one that depends more on sticking to my guns and laying the cards on the table.
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Truthexplorer
Hi all, Many of us joined the Organization because we beleived we were building a true relationship with Jehovah (YHWH). Like most faders, I had faded for several years; yet I still had a spiritual conscience during this time. I became quite worldly (in the sense that I no longer cared what I was doing-to a degree). However, my spirituality was always there. I am hoping that what I say next will be faith strengthening to many of you who are going through a somewhat difficult and confusing time; and hope I can encourage some of you to not give up completely. I never thought I would get involved with the witnesses ever again, due to what I had read about their history. I got to a point where I despised the fact that I was ever a witness. I even began to doubt the word (with all its contradictions - I read age of reason by Thomas Paine, given to me by a relative). But then, one day, I thought to myself, that I had never really read the bible through properly. All the years I was a JW, i NEVER READ THE BIBLE THROUGH!!! Was it fair of me to make judgement on this book that claimed to be the written word of God, when I had never read it through? The answer to that is clearly 'NO'. I therefore decided that I would read it through using the method highlighted in a bible I bought at a book shop. It suggested I read 2 or 3 cahpters of the old testament and 1 chapter of the new every day. At the same time, I would pray to God to give me insight and a second chance. If this book truly was inspired, I would feel the holy spirit affecting me in my life. I would know in my heart whether there was something there. Over the past year and a half, I can only say that I have been amazed at what I have read. So much so that I was telling friends and relatives about the wonderful things within these amazing pages. My spirituality was coming back again and I could truly feel it. I decided to take the brave step of returning to the meetings as my family are all involved. Yet, I knew I would be going back with a completely different mindset. I was going back knowing that the society are in error in a number of their teachings, but still strangely felt that I could still have a strong relationship with YHWH because he understands my predicament. He knows I sincerely love him and his son Jesus. He knows I pray to him earnestly each day. He knows that I am aware that men have set themslves up on a pedestal and are lording it over people like you and I who are or once were sincere in our worship of YHWH. Jehovah understands this and I love him for that (as a child loves his/her father). I have also learned that YHWH is a merciful loving God and only wants his children to be obedient and to respect him by building a realtionship with him. Sadly some of our brothers are stumbling us (ie the self proclaimed FDS) and whence the reason for the tragedy we see to day in that many are leaving due to the intolerable man made rules of these ones. Our obedience is to Jehovah, not men. We can have a wonderful relationship with him, despite the fact that many of us are being stumbled by the harsh man made rules of those who have decided to lord it over us. I would strongly, suggest you read the wonderful, powerful essays and articles from the following site. This will help to understand why many of us are in the situation we are in today, and will encourage us to regain that sincere love we once had when we first began our relationship with God. I truly feel the holy spirit in my life and know that you can too. If it werent for the holy spirit helping me and guiding me, I would have fallen away again. Not one elder has bothered to encourage me spiritually since going back. This shows the power of the holy spirit, as many times over the psat year, I could have easily have been stumbled. Jehovah views each of us a precious. Remember, it is he we have a realtionship with, not men and there man made rules. Do not allow these men to put you of your faith in God. The shepherds who are leading the flock will be accountable. Trust in Jehovah and turn your heart toward him. Philemon 1:3 Grace to you (all) and peace from God our father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Please cut, paste and add to favourites the following site. Happy reading. http://www.perimeno.ca/Index_A.htm TE
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Faders are indeed a large army...
by undercover in...and i think it's starting to show.. i started a thread the other day about being hounded after several years of having successfully(?
) faded.
i've been taken aback a bit the recent developments but i'm making a new strategy...one that depends more on sticking to my guns and laying the cards on the table.
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Truthexplorer
Hi all, Many of us joined the Organization because we beleived we were building a true relationship with Jehovah (YHWH). Like most faders, I had faded for several years; yet I still had a spiritual conscience during this time. I became quite worldly (in the sense that I no longer cared what I was doing-to a degree). However, my spirituality was always there. I am hoping that what I say next will be faith strengthening to many of you who are going through a somewhat difficult and confusing time; and hope I can encourage some of you to not give up completely. I never thought I would get involved with the witnesses ever again, due to what I had read about their history. I got to a point where I despised the fact that I was ever a witness. I even began to doubt the word (with all its contradictions - I read age of reason by Thomas Paine, given to me by a relative). But then, one day, I thought to myself, that I had never really read the bible through properly. All the years I was a JW, i NEVER READ THE BIBLE THROUGH!!! Was it fair of me to make judgement on this book that claimed to be the written word of God, when I had never read it through? The answer to that is clearly 'NO'. I therefore decided that I would read it through using the method highlighted in a bible I bought at a book shop. It suggested I read 2 or 3 cahpters of the old testament and 1 chapter of the new every day. At the same time, I would pray to God to give me insight and a second chance. If this book truly was inspired, I would feel the holy spirit affecting me in my life. I would know in my heart whether there was something there. Over the past year and a half, I can only say that I have been amazed at what I have read. So much so that I was telling friends and relatives about the wonderful things within these amazing pages. My spirituality was coming back again and I could truly feel it. I decided to take the brave step of returning to the meetings as my family are all involved. Yet, I knew I would be going back with a completely different mindset. I was going back knowing that the society are in error in a number of their teachings, but still strangely felt that I could still have a strong relationship with YHWH because he understands my predicament. He knows I sincerely love him and his son Jesus. He knows I pray to him earnestly each day. He knows that I am aware that men have set themslves up on a pedestal and are lording it over people like you and I who are or once were sincere in our worship of YHWH. Jehovah understands this and I love him for that (as a child loves his/her father). I have also learned that YHWH is a merciful loving God and only wants his children to be obedient and to respect him by building a realtionship with him. Sadly some of our brothers are stumbling us (ie the self proclaimed FDS) and whence the reason for the tragedy we see to day in that many are leaving due to the intolerable man made rules of these ones. Our obedience is to Jehovah, not men. We can have a wonderful relationship with him, despite the fact that many of us are being stumbled by the harsh man made rules of those who have decided to lord it over us. I would strongly, suggest you read the wonderful, powerful essays and articles from the following site. This will help to understand why many of us are in the situation we are in today, and will encourage us to regain that sincere love we once had when we first began our relationship with God. I truly feel the holy spirit in my life and know that you can too. If it werent for the holy spirit helping me and guiding me, I would have fallen away again. Not one elder has bothered to encourage me spiritually since going back. This shows the power of the holy spirit, as many times over the psat year, I could have easily have been stumbled. Jehovah views each of us a precious. Remember, it is he we have a realtionship with, not men and there man made rules. Do not allow these men to put you of your faith in God. The shepherds who are leading the flock will be accountable. Trust in Jehovah and turn your heart toward him. Philemon 1:3 Grace to you (all) and peace from God our father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Please cut, paste and add to favourites the following site. Happy reading. http://www.perimeno.ca/Index_A.htm TE
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Jehovah's "name" real or not?
by highdose inis the name jehovah as gods name without dispute?
has the wtbs ever addmitted any where that gods name is not actauly known?.
need references for a project of mine please!.
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Truthexplorer
HighDose,
You will see from most of the comments on this thread that it is unclear as to what precisely is Gods name. It is ambiguous to say the least. No one knows for certain exactly how it should be pronounced- not even the sole channel on earth today (The FDS) -and that says something in iself.
I follow the simple example that Jesus mentioned as to how we address God/Elohim. You can then pray to him to your hearts content without the worry that you are calling him by the wrong name. Have a look at Mat 5:9. Jesus said that when we pray we should say...'our Father'...... That makes perfect sense to address him as such, considering that we are unsure as to how his name should be properly pronounced. But as the rest of the scripture says...let his name be sanctified....One day it will be sanctified. Satan has done his utmost in this sytem to confuse everyone, but one day all things will be made absolutely clear.
TE
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Have you noticed ? the GB's purposeful Tone while speaking??
by freewilly01 inafter being absent for years from the borgorg i really noticed the purposeful fake tone of the voices of the gb.
i was just surfing cults and cult leaders and found an interesting link with the gb and cult leaders...... in the satirist:.
the article was:.
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Truthexplorer
Maybe a stint on the Gerry Springer show would draw them out of their shell abit; and show us their human side
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Jehovah's "name" real or not?
by highdose inis the name jehovah as gods name without dispute?
has the wtbs ever addmitted any where that gods name is not actauly known?.
need references for a project of mine please!.
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Truthexplorer
Hi - Highdose
They have admitted that the name Jehovah is not the most accurate but continue to use this name because of peoples familiarity with it through out the centuries. In fact they admit that Yahweh is probably more accurate than Jehovah.
See 'The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures' (1985 edition) pages 10-12.
TE
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THE FINAL VERDICT IS DELIVERED!!!
by Hobo Ken inthis is the final of my series of podcasts in which the 3 circuit overseers decide my fate as a jehovah's witness.. my blog- deathorobedience.blogspot.com.
podcast 12 the final verdict- play the audio.
also available free on itunes (just search on itunes).. .
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Truthexplorer
Hi Hobo ken (Matt)
I listened to all your podcasts (listened to podcast 12 last night) and found them all intriuging. Though, for me, the jury is still out as to the rights and wrongs of recording each of the meetings held, I did however find it fascinating to say the least as to how things progressed. Whats more, given the fact that the GB themselves 'secretly' recorded phone conversations during the 'apostasy' period in 1981 brings things into perspectivefor me.
At one point, you were asked if you beleived that Jehovah is using the organisation on earth today and if you beleived the FDS were Gods sole channel of communication; from what I remember, you agreed with them and I was hoping you would say that you beleive that the work of preaching here on earth today is organised, but in the sense that it is Jesus who is the head of the Christian congregation and that it is the holy spirit which is directly guiding Christians, both on an individual and Congregational level to preach the good news of the kingdom throughout the world (Rev 1:17). I would have also loved it if you pointed out to them that for most of the book of Acts, it is littered with proof that the holy spirit did exactly this in the first century. That would have made them think a bit. I realise though that this is easier said than done; and again you handled yourself remarkably well, particularly in such a difficult situation.
Ian Shanks sounded like he was going for the jugular at times, as if he was fed up with you for skirting round things. He came across as if he just wanted you to say things contrary to the teachings of Jehovahs Witnesses and simply to get rid of you. Yet understandably, what else could you do. If it was me, I would have probably done the same given similiar circumstances. Being shunned by family and friends is no small thing.
I liked the way you asked them to read 1 Cor 4:1-5 as you were leaving. Hopefully they will have done this and reflected on these scriptures when they went home. The bible is the sword of the spirit and who knows what affect these scriptures will have on some of them.
Anyway, all the best to you Matt
TE