The man if he marries will batter his child
and have endless excuses
The woman sadly will do much the same
thinking that it's right and it's proper
GLTirebiter
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There is too a hell
by FlyingHighNow inthere is too a hell, and it is for children.. this thread is dedicated to all children who have been mistreated.
this is for those of us who were not jw's and for those of us who were.. for posting stories, personal experiences, poems, articles and songs dedicated to this subject, i start this thread.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxysi5y-xoq.
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How many of the Ten Commandments does the WBT$ Break everyday?..
by OUTLAW inhow many of the ten commandments... does the wbt$ break everyday?...
the wbt$ has set themselves up as spokesman for god..jesus is out of a job..in watchtower world..the wbt$=god.
all images are forbidden in watchtower world..except the watchtower image... the wbt$ gods name jehovah,is a 14th century catholic translation mistake... the wbt$ doesn`t like jw`s to take sundays off..screw the sabbath... .
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7. You shall not commit adultery (except to get a "scriptural divorce" so you can dump your apostate/unbelieving spouse)
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However, even if the elders cannot take congregational action, they are expected to report the allegation to the branch office of Jehovah's Witnesses in their country, if local privacy laws permit. In addition to making a report to the branch office, the elders may be required by law to report even uncorroborated or unsubstantiated allegations to the authorities
Note the order of precedence: first report to the branch if legally possible, then maybe report to the legal authorities only if legally compelled. Remember the honor code of the service academies, which ends "...nor tolerate those who do." Those who are in a position to aid the cause of justice, but withhold their best efforts to do so, are tolerating the offense. They may successfully walk the sophist tightrope and claim to comply with the letter of the law, but they are acting unethically never the less.
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As a Bible-based organization, we must adhere to what the Scriptures say, namely, "No single witness should rise up against a man respecting any error or any sin . . ."
A Bible-based religion would know that this passage is discussing discpline within the congregation, not re-interpreting the laws of the land. Christians will certainly "render unto Caesar" all that is due under Caesar's law, not applying their own personal interpretation. So let's look at a typical reporting law and see what is required, which you can look up at the Dept. of Health and Human Services:
Texas Family Code § 261.101; 261.202
The requirement to report applies without exception to an individual whose personal communications may otherwise be privileged, including an attorney, a member of the clergy, a medical practitioner, a social worker, a mental health professional, and an employee of a clinic or health-care facility that provides reproductive services.
In a proceeding regarding the abuse or neglect of a child, evidence may not be excluded on the ground of privileged communication except in the case of communication between an attorney and client.
§ 261.109
A person commits an offense if the person has cause to believe that a child's physical or mental health or welfare has been or may be adversely affected by abuse or neglect and knowingly fails to report in accordance with the reporting laws.
The secular authorities also apply the two-witness rule to adults in a court of law unless there's physical evidence of rape or physical abuse
Now I'm no lawyer, but I don't see anything here about "two witnesses," nor about "substantial evidence". The standard for reporting for reporting according this statute is merely "cause to believe" that harm "may" have occurred. The higher standard of proof is for the courts to determine, not you, not me, and not the board of elders.
Otherwise, the complaint will simply go on record unless there's a confession or another complaint against the same person.
That is exactly why any credible suspicion of abuse must be reported! There could very well be another witness that you, I, and the b.o.e. do not know about. We are not investigators, we are not prosecuting or defense attorneys, we are not judges. These matters are for the legal system to weigh, not individuals. That is why the reporting laws say what they do.
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Im trully beside myself..
by Searchn4answrs inreally do appreciate the excellent info shared on the site...this network of such a dubious bunch, has provided much needed therapy .... .
anyhow,i would like to share my dilemma.... i recently went to court.i petitioned for sole and legal custody and more child support.. i was granted more support,however custody wasnt even reviewed..i prepared extremely well for this hearing.
actually that was my priority.
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I have in the past ,brought up the sex offender character,in court. He was instructed,to keep the children away from this individual. His response to that ,was that as a minister of god,he constanly ;through the field ministry comes into contact with these types of downtrodden people. The judge said his religious rights were not going to be discussed in his court room ;And ordered him not to subject his children to dangerous situations. Fastfoward to today,the sex offender is still allowed around my children . As a matter of fact they go on outings and gatherings ,where he is present.
Based on what you said, I repeat my previous advice: consult an attorney and see what can be done to keep him away from your son.
As far as taking it to the elders,I have tried that. I was told they would not consider any type of Legal matters. Further,I was asked if I still considered myself a witness.
They are putting you on the spot, having to choose between the organization or your son's safety. Your maternal instincts know what the right choice is. Listen to them, not to the elders!
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Im trully beside myself..
by Searchn4answrs inreally do appreciate the excellent info shared on the site...this network of such a dubious bunch, has provided much needed therapy .... .
anyhow,i would like to share my dilemma.... i recently went to court.i petitioned for sole and legal custody and more child support.. i was granted more support,however custody wasnt even reviewed..i prepared extremely well for this hearing.
actually that was my priority.
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I am most concerned about XH's friend, the registered sex offender. Is he allowed to be near children, according to the laws and the conditions of his sentence? That is a question you need to discuss with your attorney. Protecting your children comes first. Ask if it is possible to get a protective order keeping that "friend" away from your children.
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"Who else are we to go away to?"
by simon17 into the intellectually honest witness, it seems like it often comes down to this principle.
"fine, if the witnesses aren't the truth, then show me the better answer and i'll consider it.
" and how do you deal with that?
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"Not all who wander are lost."
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So I finished reading the Origin of Species last night.....
by Mr. Falcon in...oh my.. i am not trying to start a creation vs. evolution debate, but something else really did stand out in my mind upon reading this "infamous" book.
and that is that the theory of evolution is a very complex and at times, logically interesting theory.
it makes valid points as well as asking fair and legitimate questions of the theory of creation.
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Don't you represent the Catholic version of evolution: theistic evolution?
If you insist on applying a label to me, that is close enough.
Regarding "theistic evolution" vs. "special creation" or "intelligent design", the teaching of the Church is neutral. What matters is that God created the entire universe and everything in it by methods we do not fully comprehend, and is solely responsible for giving us souls.
"What is the Catholic position concerning belief or unbelief in evolution? The question may never be finally settled, but there are definite parameters to what is acceptable Catholic belief ...
Concerning biological evolution, the Church does not have an official position on whether various life forms developed over the course of time. However, it says that, if they did develop, then they did so under the impetus and guidance of God, and their ultimate creation must be ascribed to him.
Pope Pius XII declared that "the teaching authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions . . . take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter-[but] the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God...
The contribution made by the physical sciences to examining these questions is stressed by the Catechism, which states,
'The question about the origins of the world and of man has been the object of many scientific studies which have splendidly enriched our knowledge of the age and dimensions of the cosmos, the development of life-forms and the appearance of man. These discoveries invite us to even greater admiration for the greatness of the Creator, prompting us to give him thanks for all his works and for the understanding and wisdom he gives to scholars and researchers' (Catechism of the Catholic Church 283). "
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Update on my daughter Ali....Amazing
by coffee_black ini wrote here about my daughter ali's severe heart failure.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/203661/1/update-on-ali-my-daughter.
it has been a few months since the whole nightmare began.. today her cardiologist released her to return to work.
she starts in 2 weeks.
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Thank you both for sharing the good news, coffere and jamie. I hope they both continue their fast recoveries.
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JW's not a cult
by Lunatic Faith inokay, before you fly off the handle--i wrote a blog on how my research proves jw's are a cult (no, i haven't read the cult book yet).
somebody linked their own findings onto my site saying the opposite.
their evidence is erroneous and as i don't have time to point this out i thought i would let you all do it for me.. www.epages.wordpress.com.
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Using that five-fold test, the Watchtower is a cult. You need look no further than their own history and publications.
1. Does the group have a charismatic, strong leader (or leaders)
Yes, Joeseph Franklin Rutherford, esq. being the most prominent. After seizing control via a corporate coup d' etat, he separated the fringe religious group founded by Charles Taze Russell from what little credibility and respectability it had left (after the failed 1914 prophecy).
[2] Does the group squash individuality as well as independent thought?
See Watchtower January 15 1983, page 22, "Avoid Independent Thinking." Here they equate independent thinkers to satan and rebellion against God:
"From the very outset of his rebellion Satan called into question God's way of doing things. He promoted for independent thinking. 'You can decide for yourself what is good and bad,' Satan told Eve. 'You don't have to listen to God. He is not really telling you the truth.' (Genesis 3:1-5) To this day, it has been Satan's subtle design to infect God's people with this type of thinking.--2 Timothy 3:1, 13.
How is such independent thinking manifested? A common way is by questioning the counsel that is provided by God's visible organization..."
So according to Watchtower even posing the question is evil. You don't even have to disagree; the very act of thinking about the issue is rebellion. Against whom? None other than the self-proclaimed "God's organization!" (see question #1 about the leaders). Also see Watchtower May 15 1984, page 15:
"So important is it never to raise the voice in bitter criticism of the Lord's organization or its appointed representatives."
3. Is there a denial of intimacy by excluding or alienating friends or relatives?
The Watchtower organization is proud of their shunning policy. From Watchtower April 15 1988, page 28:
"Even if there were some family matters requiring contact, this certainly would be kept to a minimum, in line with the divine principle: 'Quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person (or guilty of another gross sin),...not even eating with such a man.'--1 Corinthians 5:11.
Understandably, this may be difficult because of emotional and family ties. such as grandparents' love for their grandchildren. Yet, this is a test of loyalty to God...Anyone who is feeling sadness and pain that the disfellowshipped relative has thus caused may find comfort and be encouraged by the example set by some of Korah's relatives.--Psalm 84:10-12."
The gloss "(or guilty of another gross sin)" and the emphasis is from the original article, not my addition. They admit it is a loyalty test. They don't mention that Jesus himself dined with sinners (see Mark 2:15-17). Finally, Psalm 84 is about the glory of God, not judgement to our neighbors. From New Jerusalem Bible:
"[10] Better one day in your courts than a thousand at my own devices, to stand on the threshold of God's house than to live in the tents of the wicked. [11] For Yahweh God is a rampart and a shield, he gives grace and glory; Yahweh refuses nothing good to those whose life is blameless. [12] Yahweh Sabaoth, blessed is he who trusts in you."
[4]. Do they apply financial pressure and abuse for the welfare of the group, even at the personal expense of the adherent?
Watchtower August 15 1987, page 20 encourages parents to persuade their children to forego normal career goals, so they can pursue unpaid, no-expenses-reimbursed, full time service to the organization:
"So hold forth the goals of pioneering and of missionary and Bethel service. Help them to appreciate that the ministry is a career with a future and that there is no real future in worldly careers."
[5]. Does the group keep its members separated from their surrounding community?
Watchtower August 1 1986, page 14. Note the loaded language: "Satan", "this world", "people of the world."
"Be alert, also, to other designs of Satan. Sports, music, and dancing, for example, have become a prominent part of this world's entertainment. True these things in themselves are not necessarily wrong and can be pleasurable and even beneficial... Satan, however, has deceptively promoted the view that they pose no real threat of harm, even when regularly partciptaed in with people of the world.
Watchtower June 15 1980, page 8 equates non-Witnesses to poisonous snakes:
"Without a doubt, our appreciating just how wicked and corrupt Satan's world is will help us to keep separate from the world. Such appreciation will make it easy for us to obey the command found at Psalm 97:10: "Oh you lovers of Jehovah, hate what is bad.' ... avoiding them as we would poison or a poisonous snake, for they can poison us spiritually."