The Funk Brothers: muscians behind the Motown hits
GLTirebiter
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MOTOWN HITS ,,,, we need another music thread!!
by talesin inpersonal favorites?
post the youtube .... .
i've been chatting with a friend, and lilstening to this tune ... i grew up listening to all the great mo'town hits, and this is one of my favorite songs ever.
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Are you sure leaving the JW religion has made your life better?. Lurkers think twice
by mankkeli inon this forum, i have carefully read most of the experiences of those who left the jw religion, i have even read experiences that have dated back to 2001, i have read the different circumstances surrounding their exits and what ensued upon leaving.
for the majority, i observed they are better remainning in the religion than leaving.
what benefit is there to strain family relationship because you want to be free?, please tell me, of what value is that freedom?,.
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GLTirebiter
To be clear up front, I was never "in" the Watchtower organization--I am divorced from a Witness, and our children are also Witnesses. But the effect is similar to being DF'd or DA'd: in a word, heartache.
What do I get in return for the pain?
- HOPE! Life is no bed of roses, but now I have some control over where it's headed. I did not have that when family life was dominated by the Watchtower, meetings, field service and assemblies.
- INSIGHT! I see myself better now than before. Some parts of me that I had ignored for years are more important than I realized, other parts I was clinging to really needed changing.
- SELF RESPECT! I am far from perfect, but I am my genuine self--not pretending to be somebody I am not, somebody I would not want to be. Now I know that I am strong enough to pick up the pieces, clean up my act and carry on, which is much better (and healthier!) than hanging around doing the same things, wishing it will somehow turn out OK this time.
Has it made my life better? Though the losses are considerable, the benefits do outweigh them. So yes, I am sure!
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why JWs doesn't celebrate birthday?
by vientotz ini'm so curious, why they're not celebrating their birthdays?
is it just because jesus don't celebrate it and it's not written in the bible that they celebrated the birthday of jesus?
or is it written in the bible not to celebrate birthday?
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GLTirebiter
That's why I want to know what the bible really teaches.
What the Bible teaches isn't what the Watchtower Society prints in their booklet of that name!
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Best answer to "What prevents you from getting baptized?"
by venusinfauxfurs inthe nosy elder at the congregation i attend until i can get out very soon (just quickly: born in, was headed towards unbaptized pub but changed my mind about that and baptism) pulled me aside and showed me the scripture about coming across the body of water and asking "what prevents me from getting baptized" and i really want a quick, preferably smart-ass reply the next time he puts me on the spot like that.. .
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fire away!
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GLTirebiter
IF (only if!) you're ready to be treated as an out-and-out "apostate", consider this response:
"I would not offend God, so I will accept baptism only in the scriptural form Jesus commanded his disciples to use. In Matthew 28, He said 'Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU.' That is scripturally valid baptism, and it is the only one any Christian should accept. I will not accept any baptism that does not conform to the scripture."
(That's quoted from their own NWT version of Matthew 28, if they try to refute it!)
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why JWs doesn't celebrate birthday?
by vientotz ini'm so curious, why they're not celebrating their birthdays?
is it just because jesus don't celebrate it and it's not written in the bible that they celebrated the birthday of jesus?
or is it written in the bible not to celebrate birthday?
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GLTirebiter
Hello vientotz, and welcome aboard!
The reasons they (Witnesses) cite are that birthday celebrations mentioned in the Bible featured the executions of Pharoah's baker and of John the Baptist, and that birthday celebrations constitute "creature worship" of the guest of honor. Never mind the heavenly host praising the most important birthday of all (they refuse to celebrate that one, too).
Personally, I think they are just channeling their inner Dean Vernon Wormer: "No more fun of any kind!"
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Talesin --------------> Has had SURGERY...AGAIN !
by Rabbit inattention !
i just talked to our dear tal, she is a sick puppy.
so, she's really disappointed as she's been dealing with this problem for quite a while now.
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GLTirebiter
I hope the surgery goes well. Take care, Tal!
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Do not add or do not take away.Rev.22;18,19
by jam inwho have added and who has taken away.
not have to be a genius to understand these words.. god says, "this is the end".
don,t tamper with it, his.
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GLTirebiter
and GL I GET IT.
OK, I was writing this while you were posting. Good evening, Jam!
Now you say, we do not know what to take away or add, why.
No, I said we know that things have inevitably been added and taken away as these works were passed on through the centuries, transcribed and translated many times, into languages far different than the original, and read by persons with a cultural outlook far removed from the nations who first used them--and we don't know where these changes are, nor which of the various texts is "right".
We have enough trouble understanding the words of Shakespeare, written in our mother tongue for our relatively recent ancestors. It is far harder to comprehend the meaning of words written into a much older, far different language for a people with an entirely different culture. I said trying to literally understand every word is a fool's errand because we do not talk like, think like, or act like people of those ancient places and distant nations, nor do we even know with certainty which version of the words we should accept.
Here is a modern example (used by my High School religion teacher): We might say "I make the bed every morning." We understand that to mean straightening the sheets, tucking in the blankets, and fluffing up the pillows. But if those words are translated literally to a language used in a non-Western culture, they might think we are working with wood, tools and nails, building new furniture every day! That is the problem with word-by-word literal translation: you can have all the right words and completely miss then meaning. Figurative language is not unique to us; a good study Bible explains many figures of speech in the scriptures (leading us to wonder how many more there are that we don't even recognize).
because the Bible is one book
Like Tec, I disagree. "The Bible" is an anthology, containing 66, 73, or 76 books (depending on which version you have) produced at different times over thousands of years (including times when it was passed down orally, not in writing).
Using your reasoning, Deuteronomy 32:45-47 says that only the Pentateuch is valid. Everything that came later was "added on", so if it was really one book and the words are a warning to "not add on", then the story must end right there, on the mountain east of the river Jordan overlooking the land of Canaan.
But reading Deuteronomy as a book complete within itself makes clear that these words are about the (Mosaic) law, which makes sense in the context of the passage:
Final Appeal
When Moses had finished speaking all these words to all Israel, he said to them, Take to heart all the words that I am giving in witness against you today, words you should command your children, that they may observe carefully every word of this law. For this is no trivial matter for you, but rather your very life; by this word you will enjoy a long life on the land you are crossing the Jordan to possess.
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WT Funny Slogans
by fedup ingenerations are forever.
good to the last flip-flop.
we love to see you cringe.
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GLTirebiter
Today's Truth: the choice of discriminating Witnesses since 1881!
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Comments from a real JW about the killing of apostates watchtower. You will be shocked..
by Hairyhegoat inthis is a very good find from another jw only web site i have access to... hey i just found this on a link of my mom's that she is "friends" with, yes, still a jw...anyway, i had to copy/paste it so you could all see, thought it was a bit hilarious to see how they blatantly speak of keeping info from "outsiders.
" i did not copy the name of the person since that is not my point and i am not that disrespectful, but i did copy their comment...they were discussing the wt about killing all apostates and someone that was studying asked a question as to whether they all thought that was right or not, so here it is..............."james... although its a great article and very encouraging, as apostates do deserve to be murdered, it may not be such a good idea to reveal it our friend zeek at this moment.
he may find it a tad over the top.
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GLTirebiter
It would be significant if it was (or quoting directly from) an official WT publication, so it could be documented. Without that it is no more than another rant on Facebook, which may or may not have been written by an actual Witness. It doesn't matter much either way.
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Do not add or do not take away.Rev.22;18,19
by jam inwho have added and who has taken away.
not have to be a genius to understand these words.. god says, "this is the end".
don,t tamper with it, his.
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GLTirebiter
The various books we call "the Bible" had not been assembled into a unified collection at the time they were written. Each work stood on its own. So in the time each of these texts was put into writing, Deut.12:32 applies to Deuteronomy, Prov 30:5,6 applies to Proverbs and Rev 22:18-19 applies to Revelations, etc.
Various parallel texts and styles exist in each book describing the the events somewhat differently, especially in the Pentateuch. There are Yawistic and Priestly versions of the stories. There are different surviving ancient texts, differing in wording and completeness. Do we blame scribes who lived thousands of years ago for "adding or taking away"? What about those who may have incorrectly passed down the oral traditions of ancient teachings through the centuries before they were written down, are they guilty of "adding or taking away"?
What of the later Bible translators, who differ on the correct way to render ancient tongues and idoms in latter day languages? When they disagree, who is right, and who "added or took away": Jerome? Wyckliffe? Luther?
The point is, we don't know, will never know, every detail and meaning the scriptures conveyed to their original audience. Obsessing with literal word-by-word accuracy is a fool's errand, not only because of uncertainty about the actual words, but also the cultural context of the times. We are not bronze age Hebrews, and we are not middle-eastern Christians of the first century. Even if we know the ancient languages, we aren't going to grok every nuance, cultural reference, and play on words they contain--they are many, and they convey an important part of the writing's message.
The worst way to "take away" from scripture is to isolate a verse here, a verse there, separating them from the context that helps us to understand (imperfectly) what message they were trying to convey. The worst way to "add to" is patching together isolated verses between different books, produced at different times and circumstances, for different uses, into a Frankenstein monster [see date of this post!] bearing but superficial resemblance to their meaning when studied in the original context.
So if you wish to avoid "add tos" and "take aways", read it in context--each book complete from beginning to end, and using different translations. The consistent message is inspired scripture; the variations are mere human fallibility.