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  1975 statements

  by A Believer in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  from jw org.

  “six thousand years of human existence”.

  in 1969 the watchtower magazine in czech began publishing a series of articles based on the book life everlasting—in freedom of the sons of god.

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  GLTirebiter

  The audio quality is not great, but this recording documents Watchtower president Fred Franz at the Los Angeles convention, stating the specific date and time: sundown, September 5th, 1975 (Erev Rosh Hashana).

  Franz 1975 talk
  
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  The Great Crowd!

  by A Believer in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  notice the 144000 can be counted and they all come from israel.. 9 after this i saw, and look!

  a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues,*+ standing before the throne and before the lamb, dressed in white robes;+ and there were palm branches in their hands.+ .

  this great crowd, no man was able to number, and they come from every nation!

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  GLTirebiter

  If you take the numbers 144,000 and 12,000 literally, then you must also take the other words from Revelation 7 and14 literally:

  • 12,000 from each of the tribes of Israel [7:4-8] (the enumeration includes both halves of the tribe of Joseph--Ephraim and Manasseh--but excludes the tribe of Dan)
    
  • Who were not defiled with women; they were virgins [14:4]
  • On whose lips was no deceit has been found [14:5]

  So, those Anointed Witnesses of Jehovah must be male Jewish virgins who have never told a lie. It is evident that many space remain open!
  
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  Does The Multiverse Really Exist? (Shrinking Jehovah To Insignificance)

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq5sr2z-pvm.

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  the making maker must at that zero point in time have been bigger than the embryonic multiverse, but by how much?

  That assumes a materialist point of view, that the creator would be of the same substances (matter, energy, space, time) as the things created. When you accept that speaking of God in anthropomorphic terms as a metaphor catering the limitations of human understanding, you can recognize a creator who does not occupy space and time, the creator who made the space-time continuum, i.e. is the ultimate cause of its existence.
  
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  Why Jehovah's Witnesses are WRONG about Christmas

  by David_Jay in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as you know (and are probably tired of hearing me repeat), i’m jewish.

  yes, i was a jehovah’s witness when i was a teenager and into my 20s, but returned to my roots and now celebrate chanukah when the holiday season comes around each year.. so why am i writing about christmas?

  well, that’s because i thought i would share something about how jehovah’s witnesses teach against christmas.

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  GLTirebiter

  It is one their many loyalty tests. If you aren't willing to give up Christmas, Easter, birthdays, state holidays, blood transfusions, Saturday mornings, etc. then you are not truly committed to the Watchtower Society. All their arguments against these things are largely a smoke screen for the real question: whether or not you are on their side.
  
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  Mandatory Reporting Laws in Canada - Child Abuse

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the issue of whether or not the elders have a duty to report is clear cut in canada.

  this will make it impossible for the wts to wriggle out of the wrongs that have been exposed in quebec recently.

  the elders in those situations have received their instructions from the wts lawyers and they have been advised wrongly.. for several years (can't remember when this was made law...years back), it has been mandatory for everyone in canada to report suspected cases of child abuse, which, naturally, include the sexual abuse of minors.

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  DoC said:

  That is what every State in the USA needs to do as well.
  

  Most US states and territories do require reporting, per the Department of Health and Human Services (links to PDF summary of state laws). Laws vary from state to state; some allow a "clergy privilege", most limiting that specifically to a "confessional" privilege (meaning that anything learned outside of a one-to-one, confidential session is not privileged and must be reported), and some deny confidentiality privileges for spouses or medical professionals, as well as clergy (don't mess with Texas, they are strict!).
  
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  How do you feel about the expression "The Truth"?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it's amazing how the expression "the truth" has become such an ingrained term used by witnesses.. "we have 'the truth'".

  "is he 'in the truth'?".

  most here have found out so many facts about the organisation, and felt the effects of being "gut-punched" as we realised these facts.. so how do you feel about the expression "the truth" now?.

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  GLTirebiter

  How do you feel about the expression "The Truth"?

  That it is as reliable as anything said by a politician during an election year. In other words, a big, steaming heap of fresh organic fertilizer!
  
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  Why did Jehovah's Witnesses release the Byington and New Jerusalem Bibles in the early 70s , and forget about them in the 80s?

  by Balaamsass in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  andover townsman, andover, ma.

  july 26, 2012. dalton column: lawsuit concerns one of town's most interesting yet forgotten.

  bill dalton.

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  GLTirebiter

  Some interesting things I see in ScenicViewer's image:

  - It identifies the New American Bible (NAB) as a Catholic edition, but not the Jerusalem Bible which is most certainly a Catholic edition.

  - The (original, 1966) Jerusalem Bible is a "dynamic equivalence" translation, using a very lyrical, literary style to convey its message beyond the mere words themselves. That seems to be an odd selection given the extremely literal, prosaic interpretations used by the Watchtower Society.

  - As of 1985, the New Jerusalem Bible was in print. So the book listed may have been that revised version, though they list the older title. It still translated the tetragram as Yahweh, which remained until a later revision in 2007 used Lord (as it was to be read during Mass and other services.)
  

  - It's curious that they would offer any 73 book (Catholic) editions. The seven deuterocanonical books contain passages not at all consistent with Watchtower doctrines.
  
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  Sanctimonious, "WE'RE Thankful EVERY day."

  by stillin in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thanksgiving is really just a nice, traditional, family-oriented day set aside on a national level.

  no babylon the great.

  give me a break with the holier than thou, "we don't celebrate thanksgiving.

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  They're thankful for the day off.

  What day off? A national holiday means people are at home, anxiously waiting for the knock at the door announcing the arrival of the latest Watchtower (public edition). Get busy! You need to get those service hours in!
  
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  Official Increase in the Number of Jehovah's Witnesses You Shouldn't Trust

  by David_Jay in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  reports are coming from witnesses that, once again, the number of memorial partakers has risen considerably this past year, 2016. while confirmation is still to come on the exact numbers, the current explanations given for this increase surely causes a dilemma.. imagine the roman catholic church publishing each year the number of members who it felt were mistaken about what they believed in, that this same number of members was likely suffering from problems such as pride or even mental disorders or something along this line.

  this number, by the way, was in the thousands too and growing annually.

  what would you conclude, therefore about the catholic church and its admission?.

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  I THINK that the catholic church teaches that once a person dies they can no longer help those on earth. It is those left on earth that can help the departed by asking God to remember their life...

  The second part, yes. The departed not-yet-saints undergoing purification in purgatory can no longer help themselves, so the living should pray for them that they may be prepared to meet the Lord face-to-face (2 Mac 12 29-46, 2 Tim 1 16-18).

  The first part, no. Once they arrive in the Lord's presence, i.e. become saints, they will bring prayers on behalf of the living to the Lord (Rev. 5 8, Rev. 8 3-4). We do not know who all the saints are, but we can know some who are because their intercession has been effective, demonstrating that they are in the Lord's presence and bring prayers to Him on our behalf.
  
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  Studies in the scriptures AND bunch of Rutherford books available online

  by NikL in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this may be well known here but i just discovered it.. lots of old publications are in the public domain and are available for download.

  could be a great source of information for those that need it.. here are couple links.... https://archive.org/details/studiesinthescripturesvolumes1-7.

  https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3a%22j.f.%20rutherford%22.

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  GLTirebiter

  The Finished Mystery is available on Project Gutenberg. I'm surprised that they have none of the earlier volumes in their catalog.