Posts by AwSnap

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Looks like we're about to get Smurf'd

by Yizuman in

http://www.imdb.com/rg/video_play/link//video/imdb/vi4122347033/.

yiz.

AwSnap

I heard that on the radio today & was going to put that on here! you beat me to it! lol....I cannot wait to see if there's any jw controversy in a year.

"I KISSED A GIRL" katy perry will be in it

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mentions of going to heaven in the Bible?

by AwSnap in

i have been reading the bible for the first time in my life.

what my viewpoint on it is not the issue.

i am shocked as to the things i have been reading.

AwSnap

Ok now, this one confused me. Any comments?

John 3:13 (New International Version)

13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man. [a]

Well, I'll be darned Chalam....I never looked at it like that. Thanks for the reference. Here, I'll post it again: http://bible.cc/john/3-13.htm

Actually, though, I guess I'm still a little confused. It doesnt say "no one has gone to Heaven BEFORE the Son of Man." It just says NO ONE has gone to heaven except the Son of Man.

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Do you have any Ginger recipes that you can share them with me?

by asilentone in

jw
friends

thanks!

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AwSnap

http://allrecipes.com//Recipe/chicken-noodle-salad-with-peanut-ginger-dressing/Detail.aspx

Im actually vegetarian, so I substitute tofu for chicken and use vegetable boullion instead of chicken boullion. AND I just discovered that they have grated ginger so you dont have to figure it out for yourself. Just a little goes a LONG way. good luck

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How to explain blood fractions are still blood to someone who doesn't agree...

by NiceDream in

does anyone have a good analogy or something i could use to help explain to my husband that blood fractions are still blood?

he feels that it gets to a point where it's not blood anymore.

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AwSnap

ps...this comes straight from your REASONING BOOK, page 70

Blood

Definition:
A truly marvelous fluid that circulates in the vascular system of humans and most multicelled animals, supplying nourishment and oxygen, carrying away waste products, and playing a major role in safeguarding the body against infection. So intimately is blood involved in the life processes that the Bible says “the soul of the flesh is in the blood.” (Lev. 17:11) As the Source of life, Jehovah has provided definite instructions regarding the use to which blood may be put. Christians
are commanded to ‘abstain from blood’

Acts 15:28, 29: “The holy spirit and we ourselves [the governing body of the Christian congregation] have favored adding no further burden to you, except these necessary things, to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled [or, killed without draining their blood] and from fornication. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!” (There the eating of blood is equated with idolatry and fornication, things that we should not want to engage in.)

Animal

flesh may be eaten,but not the
blood

Gen. 9:3, 4: “Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. As in the case of green vegetation, I do give it all to you. Only flesh with its soul—its blood—you must not eat.”

Any animal used for food should be properly bled. One that is strangled or that dies in a trap or that is found after it has died is not suitable for food. (Acts 15:19, 20; compare Leviticus 17:13-16.) Similarly, any food to which whole blood or even some blood fraction has been added should not be eaten.

_______________ Ask your hubby why it is different with transfusions

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How to explain blood fractions are still blood to someone who doesn't agree...

by NiceDream in

does anyone have a good analogy or something i could use to help explain to my husband that blood fractions are still blood?

he feels that it gets to a point where it's not blood anymore.

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AwSnap

I have a patient who works for the blood transfusion unit at our local hospital. She told me that there is NO way to get these fractions without getting them from blood. If there were, why don't jw's get them elsewhere?

Also, talk about screwing with the Scriptures. When we bring up how the Bible doesnt actually forbid Birthdays, the Witnesses say: "oh, but the insinuation is there. We shouldn't screw with what the Scriptures say (<----ok, OBviously paraphrased that part). So why is it different with the blood issue?

ps....if you read the whole bible, or even the sections regarding the whole "NO BLOOD" stuff, you'll see that it's not even talking about human blood, and that Jesus believed in breaking the rules if there was a life at stake

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mentions of going to heaven in the Bible?

by AwSnap in

i have been reading the bible for the first time in my life.

what my viewpoint on it is not the issue.

i am shocked as to the things i have been reading.

AwSnap

Ok, here's a few I noticed:

Mathew 5:1-3. Jesus is not speaking to a few selected ones. He speaks to the CROWDS. In fact, apparently, he had to climb a mountain so they could ALL see & hear him:

Matthew 5:1-3 (New International Version)

Matthew 5

The Beatitudes

1 Now when he saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, 2 and he began to teach them saying:
3 "Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. ______________________________________

Matthew 5:10 (New International Version)

10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

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Matthew 5:12 (New International Version)

12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

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This scripture popped out at me because many jw's like to pray in resturants so that everyone sees them and thinks what a fantastic example they are setting:

Matthew 6:6 (New International Version)

6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

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Once again, Jesus speaks to the crowds as he says this:

Matthew 7:21 (New International Version)

21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

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Matthew 10:7 (New International Version)

7 As you go, preach this message: 'The kingdom of heaven is near.'

(I see nothing about Jesus telling them to preach to people about 'being resurrected to live on earth'.)

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Matthew 11:11

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11 I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

New International Version (NIV)

Matthew 11:12

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12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it.

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Matthew 19:21 (New International Version)

21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

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Luke 13:25-30 (New International Version)

25 Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, 'Sir, open the door for us.'
"But he will answer, 'I don't know you or where you come from.'

26 "Then you will say, 'We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.'

27 "But he will reply, 'I don't know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!'

28 "There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out. 29 People will come from east and west and north and south, and will take their places at the feast in the kingdom of God. 30 Indeed there are those who are last who will be first, and first who will be last."

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Luke 16:20-24

22"The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell, [a] where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'

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Matthew 8:11 (New International Version)

11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.

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Luke 22:29-30 (New International Version)

29 And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me, 30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

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Luke 23:42-43 (New International Version)

42 Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. [a] "

43 Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."

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Ok now, this one confused me. Any comments?

John 3:13 (New International Version)

13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man. [a]

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John 13:36 (New International Version)

36 Simon Peter asked him, "Lord, where are you going?"
Jesus replied, "Where I am going, you cannot follow now, but you will follow later."

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John 14:1-4 (New International Version)

John 14

Jesus Comforts His Disciples

1 "Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God [a] ; trust also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going." ____________________________________________________ Ok, here's a random one I'm throwing in here. I am making note because I remember thinking to myself: If the holy spirit is just an energy force, why does this scripture make it sound like a person of sorts?

John 14:25-26 (New International Version)

25 "All this I have spoken while still with you. 26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

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NEW WORLD TRANSLATION:(John

& another one along those lines:

NEW WORLD TRANSLATION

(John
Oh yeah, and one more:
(NWT)

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How is a simple electric force going to do this?

Acts 13:2 (New International Version)

2 While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, "Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them."

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Ok, back to going to heaven:

John 16:16 (New International Version)

16 "In a little while you will see me no more, and then after a little while you will see me."

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I think thats all I've found so far. Thanks for everyone's responses! You're awesome!

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mentions of going to heaven in the Bible?

by AwSnap in

i have been reading the bible for the first time in my life.

what my viewpoint on it is not the issue.

i am shocked as to the things i have been reading.

AwSnap

Keep 'em coming. I promise: this is for a good cause. I've got a few scriptures to donate as well....hopefully tomorrow I can go back to the NWT and dig them up

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mentions of going to heaven in the Bible?

by AwSnap in

i have been reading the bible for the first time in my life.

what my viewpoint on it is not the issue.

i am shocked as to the things i have been reading.

AwSnap

Wow, youve given me a lot. Thank you. Any other thoughts are welcome.

Matthew 25:34 (NIV Translation)

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(Revelation

7:9) After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands

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mentions of going to heaven in the Bible?

by AwSnap in

i have been reading the bible for the first time in my life.

what my viewpoint on it is not the issue.

i am shocked as to the things i have been reading.

AwSnap

There are not many references to this scripture in the WT Library. This one is from 1978. 9/1 pg 28. I do not understand what this means.

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When Jesus ascended to heaven and appeared in Jehovah’s presence, he offered to Jehovah his “blood” or the value of it as a redemption price. (Heb. 9:12-14; John 6:61, 62) Since the blood belonged to Jehovah, the drinking of it and the eating of the flesh of Jesus would indicate having a meal with Jehovah. God would thus be sharing the blood of his Lamb Jesus Christ with the disciples of this Lamb. Jesus spoke of such a meal with Jehovah as the Greater Abraham, when he foretold that many Gentile believers (like the believing Gentile “army officer”) would come from all parts of the earth and “recline at the table with Abraham [Jehovah] and Isaac [Jesus Christ] and Jacob [the spirit-begotten Christian congregation] in the kingdom of the heavens.”—Matt. 8:5-12.

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mentions of going to heaven in the Bible?

by AwSnap in

i have been reading the bible for the first time in my life.

what my viewpoint on it is not the issue.

i am shocked as to the things i have been reading.

AwSnap

Please help me with this. I have been reading the Bible for the first time in my life. What my viewpoint on it is not the issue. I am SHOCKED as to the things I have been reading. I have been reading from Genesis on, and am now in 1 Corinthians. I cannot believe how blatent the Bible is that ALL PEOPLE WHO HAVE FAITH IN JESUS AND HIS FATHER will be going to heaven....according to the Bible. It's been quite a challenge, but I'm reading from the NWT and the NIV. Of course, I've really enjoyed the NIV more. I'll see things in the NIV and think, "wow, really? There's no way it says this in the NWT." But it does! Its also shocking how the NWT changes their words on so many verses (why did they take out the word "grace"?)

Anyway, back onto my question:

While I read so many verses regarding this, I didn't write it down. The main one that is sticking in my head is Matthew 8:11 (New World Translation)-

But I tell YOU that many from eastern parts and western parts will come and recline at the table with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of the heavens;

I checked it out in the WT Library CD & it says that Jesus was obviously meaning Jehovah, Jesus, and the spirit begotten Christian congregation. WTF. Seriously, if anyone can help me understand how they came to this conclusion, I'd appreciate it. The whole area surrounding this discussion, Jesus was not using metephors or examples or parables....so how'd they come to that conclusion? Its bonkers.

Can you think of other scriptures that say we are ALL going to heaven (not just 144,000). And its been awhile...can you refresh my memory: What scriptures do the jw's use to say that people will live on earth forever?

Thanks in advance