1 samuel 19:9?
i thought god didn't commit evil...and this also appears to be predestination, no?
that was the new world translation.. the new international bible says:.
So, er, Glenster...are you agreeing with me? 1 Sam 16:14 also appears to show that the evil spirit belonged to the LORD.
If I were to bring this up to a jw, I'm afraid they'd just say I'm nitpicking.
ps...everybody should check out that youtube video above, it's pretty funny.
1 samuel 19:9?
i thought god didn't commit evil...and this also appears to be predestination, no?
that was the new world translation.. the new international bible says:.
Saul had fallen out of favor with God, so Saul was sup-
posed to be tormented for having done that To me, "allowing a place for the Devil" is a bit different than someone sending their evil spirit upon me.
God does not HAVE a "bad" Spirit... or any "bad spirits." Well, then, I am simply not understanding since the scripture says "an evil spirit from the LORD" (or "Jehovah'sbad spirit came to be on Saul")
Doug Mason, your first posts make sense ...is this how the jw's look at it as well?
Robdar...thanks for posting that video. It gave my the first laugh of the day
1 samuel 19:9?
i thought god didn't commit evil...and this also appears to be predestination, no?
that was the new world translation.. the new international bible says:.
...it tells ME that god makes people do bad things.
Can you explain it how a jw would explain it? Satanus, are you serious? I'm gullible .
1 samuel 19:9?
i thought god didn't commit evil...and this also appears to be predestination, no?
that was the new world translation.. the new international bible says:.
Ahhhh, air conditioning . Wait! Focus- somewhere before that scripture, god fortells what is going to happen. Granted Saul was jealous over David because David conquered more men than Saul. But what does it mean that "an evil spirit from the LORD came upon Saul"?
1 samuel 19:9?
i thought god didn't commit evil...and this also appears to be predestination, no?
that was the new world translation.. the new international bible says:.
1 Samuel 19:9? I thought God didn't commit evil...and this also appears to be predestination, no?
(1Samuel19:9) And Jehovah’s bad spirit came to be upon Saul when he was sitting in his house with his spear in his hand, while David was playing music with his hand.
That was the New World translation.
The New International Bible says:
9 But an evil [a] spirit from the LORD came upon Saul as he was sitting in his house with his spear in his hand. While David was playing the harp, 10 Saul tried to pin him to the wall with his spear, but David eluded him as Saul drove the spear into the wall. That night David made good his escape.
The extra hour messed up my DVR recording of Bad Santa last night .... it kept recording the first hour of "The Hills Have Eyes" afterward LoL, "Bad Santa" is So much better than "The Hills Have Eyes"
How do I get my cats to realize we've got an extra hour? Same time every moring their yowling wakes me up. I'm so glad my dogs let me sleep as late as I want.
can i say from the outset that i feel grief and frustration over family/friends that are not aware of the truth about the "truth".
they are good people who genuinely believe - as we all did at one time- that they are in gods organization and that this is what he requires of them.. .
how liberating for us to have come to know the real truth and how sad they remain guilt ridden and under mind control that fosters these conditional friendships that bother us so much.. .
I understand where you're coming from. Tough stuff... I cannot bring myself to 'go back in' since I faded so long ago, but I am able to throw in subtle questions here and there. It's not the point that they see what you're saying immediately, but rather to have a question they've never heard of stuck in their minds. Personally, if someone would've have "subtly" given me Crisis of Conscience while I was still a Witness....alarms would've gone off & I'd probably have told the elders.
I forgot.
well, i just ordered "crisis of conscience".
i'm kind of nervous about actually buying and reading it.
this life is all i've ever known, it's my whole identity really.
Changing can be very scary. Just remember: you're the one who decides what path to follow...and you are not alone. We have all gone down that path of scary feelings and being out of the comfort zone. Ray Franz's book was very comforting to me as I left the witnesses because I was sick and tired of feeling sick and tired. Good luck with your journey
i have been thinking about this alot recently.
calling our god the creator by his first name jehovah takes alot of nerve.
my 10 year oll son doesnt walk around calling me by my first name.
He also said that he had made his Father's name known. If the name was never to be pronounced why would he make these statements? I absolutely see what you're saying. It's just that...nobody knows exactly how to say the name. Everything is based on speculation. And the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses pride themselves on using the name Jehovah is really quite silly...because THAT IS NOT HIS NAME. It's interesting how they use Catholics as their main example when describing the religions of Christendom, but the fact is that a Catholic is the first person to "discover" that God's name translates into Jehovah.
This comes from the WT Library on CD (from the Watchtower 1980, 2/1 11):
The
Divine Name in LaterTimes
THAT the divine name was used in early history is beyond question. But what about later times? Why have certain Bible translations omitted the name? And what is its meaning and significance to us?
THE
NAME“JEHOVAH”BECOMES WIDELYKNOWN
Interestingly, Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk of the Dominican order, first rendered the divine name as “Jehova.” This form appeared in his book PugeoFidei, published in 1270 C.E.—over 700 years ago.
In time, as reform movements developed both inside and outside the Catholic Church, the Bible was made available to the people in general, and the name “Jehovah” became more widely known. In 1611 C.E. the King James or Authorized Version of the Bible was published. It uses the name Jehovah four times. (Ex. 6:3; Ps. 83:18; Isa. 12:2; 26:4) Since then, the Bible has been translated many, many times. Some translations follow the example of the AuthorizedVersion and include the divine name only a few times.
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