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  For some who need a little help deciding what to believe

  by itsibitsybrainbutbigenoughtosmellarat in

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  Fernando

  @itsibitsybrainbutbigenoughtosmellarat, I can't decide if I love the chart or your name more! Thanks for sharing!
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  What does "everlasting life" mean?

  by N.drew in

  1. watchtower
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  john 3:16. i'll just say that the way i understand it is i am existing in it, it is not existing in me.. 166 (ai?nios) does not focus on the future per se, but rather on the quality of the age (165 /ai?n) it relates to.

  thus believers live in "eternal (166 /ai?nios) life" right now, experiencing this quality of god's life now as a present possession.

  (note the gk present tense of having eternal life in jn 3:36, 5:24, 6:47; cf.

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  Fernando

  I believe that "eternal life" or "everlasting life" is immediately and at first IMPUTED to believers, ahead of the recreation.

  Holiness (sanctification), and righteousness (justification) are similarly IMPUTED to the believer.

  The same with sonship, perfection and so on.

  All are unmerited/undeserved free gifts granted by Holy Spirit after repentance (awareness of dysfunction) has been granted (by Holy Spirit), and after faith (a wide opening of our spiritual eyes) has been granted (by Holy Spirit), after a hearing and accepting of the full unabridged message known as the gospel or "good news" (Rom 10:16,17).

  (Scripture speaks of being COUNTED or DECLARED righteous - Romans 3 and 4).

  (The apostate Watchtower organisation actively, albeit surreptitiously, promotes unrepentance or "ignorance of dysfunction" via supremacist self-righteous legalism, moralism, ethnocentrism and Gnosticism).
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  Is the FRAMEWORK, WORLDVIEW or CONTEXT a key area of Watchtower deception?

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when the watchtower says something it often speaks from a latent/hidden/covert framework, worldview or context.

  this made me think of some questions this morning:.

  how important is it to first uncover and understand this framework before responding to the picture being presented?.

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  PICTURE: Don't celebrate birthdays, Christmas or Easter. Don't take or donate blood or organs. You must door knock. You must meet in a building with other religionists. You must proselytise (teach religion).

  FRAMEWORK: Legalism. You can be right with God by following the "right" rules. Supremacist self-righteousness. Widely practiced in the Watchtower despite being radically unscriptural (Matthew 23, Romans 3 and 4) and denounced in their own publications (g79 6/8 pp. 27-28).

  Being deeply loyal, committed and sincere, as well as suffering from "Psychological and Spiritual Stockholm Syndrome" it was only when I uncovered and understood this illegitimate hidden framework (of supremacist legalism, moralism, ethnocentrism and Gnosticism) that I was able to see the Watchtower as a dishonest spiritually blind, confused, inebriated and insane cult and sect. Before this I simply could not see that the emperor was naked.

  Before this the significance of date setting and date errors simply escaped me as it does around 7 to 19 million other members and associates at this time. If this was a simple matter, without complication, and without a spiritual dimension, it would have been easy to simply point out the error and set the hostages free.

  That having been said it is clear that millions have found it a lot easier than I have to leave. I presume my addiction to religion and the Watchtower was more severe. As a 3rd generation born-in I also had no pre-cult reference points, memories or alternate "realities".
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  Are all SPIRITUAL Christians liberal?

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in other words do they occupy the opposite end of the spectrum to the westboro baptist church?.

  in other words is it "cognitive dissonance" that makes persons like anne rice defect from religion?.

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  Fernando

  http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700056581/The-Anne-Rice-defection-Its-the-tip-of-the-religious-iceberg.html
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  Are all SPIRITUAL Christians liberal?

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in other words do they occupy the opposite end of the spectrum to the westboro baptist church?.

  in other words is it "cognitive dissonance" that makes persons like anne rice defect from religion?.

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  Fernando

  In other words do they occupy the opposite end of the spectrum to the Westboro Baptist Church?

  In other words is it "cognitive dissonance" that makes persons like Anne Rice defect from religion?
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  Is the FRAMEWORK, WORLDVIEW or CONTEXT a key area of Watchtower deception?

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when the watchtower says something it often speaks from a latent/hidden/covert framework, worldview or context.

  this made me think of some questions this morning:.

  how important is it to first uncover and understand this framework before responding to the picture being presented?.

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  Fernando

  When the Watchtower says something it often speaks from a latent/hidden/covert FRAMEWORK, WORLDVIEW or CONTEXT. This made me think of some questions this morning:

  How important is it to FIRST uncover and understand this FRAMEWORK before responding to the PICTURE being presented?

  If we swop the Watchtower's reductionist and exclusivist FRAMEWORK for another, are we still playing by their rules?

  Should we rather actively seek out an expansive and inclusive FRAMEWORK, WORLDVIEW or CONTEXT?
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  Propaganda - Spectacular achievements of the Gibbering Buddies

  by hamsterbait in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  am in the middle of noam chomskys book (yeah dont start screaming commie).

  "media control - the spectacular achievements of propaganda.".

  so much of it reads like a textbook for witchtower mind control and manipulation.

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  Fernando

  Sorry don't have the book, but was reminded of more WBT$ irony.

  *** w56 6/15 p. 360 Getting and Giving the Thoughts of God ***
  Through his demonic mental assaults Satan thinks for these millions, implanting his thoughts in their mind and filling their heart with his ways, yet doing it so subtly that they think these thoughts are their own. We usually believe what we want to believe, and one thing we like to believe is that we do our own thinking. Hence it is not too hard for clever propagandists to make us think their thoughts are ours. They plant the thought and nourish it, but do it so subtly that we think it is our own.

  *** g78 8/22 p. 4 Do Others Do Your Thinking? ***
  Whatever you read or watch or listen to, test whether it is propaganda or whether it is the truth. ... What about you? Will you let others think for you, or will you do your own thinking?
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  CULT CONFERENCE AUSTRALIA - 9&10 March 2012 - by CIFS.org.au

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  received the email below today.. http://www.cifs.org.au/conference.php#dl.

  http://www.cifs.org.au/brochurecifs2012conference.pdf.

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  Fernando

  Attending 2010 conference was one of the best things I did to get clarity and aid healing and recovery. Very well organised with good speakers. Validated my experience when hearing exactly the same abuses from a wide variety of groups I'd never heard of before. As a recent cult escapee managed to negotiate student rate.
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  Are you CONFRONTED by Elders? 7 points to practice

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  remember that old movie, the adventures of robin hood with erroll flynn?.

  there is a scene where robin wants to cross a creek by walking across a log used as a bridge.

  friar tuck is determined to stop him.. the are both standing on the log over the creek opposing each other with not-all-too-friendly banter.. somebody is going to end up in the water!.

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  Fernando

  Great points and confrontation handling skills Terry!

  To this day I'm deeply grateful that I did not initially use all my resources to box them in completely and show them just how wrong they were. This could have sent these venomous serpents deeper underground and prevented them from playing their evil hand and revealing their wicked hearts.

  Now much more is in the open. I have a recording of their talk warning the "publishers of the good news" against the "good news"! Now I know for a fact they are Jesus' enemies and children of their father the devil the "god of religion".

  I was thankfully able to control the end-game and leave with more dignity than otherwise. I much prefer it this way.
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  Please Post Reasons For Not Believing The Witnesses Have The "Truth" Anymore

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i see a few want to believe in the watchtower's view of bible prophecy, scriptural understandings and the view that the "anointed remnant" dispense the "spiritual food at the proper time".. how would you refute those views?.

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  Fernando

  Follower of Jesus - Are you in "the truth"?

  Follower of the Watchtower - Yes.

  Follower of Jesus - Is "the truth" in you?

  Follower of the Watchtower - Yes.

  Follower of Jesus - Are you in Christ?

  Follower of the Watchtower - No.

  Follower of Jesus - Is Christ in you?

  Follower of the Watchtower - No.

  Follower of Jesus - You have just stated that Jesus Christ is not "the truth", whereas John 14:6 says he is.

  Follower of the Watchtower - But the Bible says we are "in union with" Christ.

  Follower of Jesus - No it does not! The Watchtower has added the word "union" (about 100 times) and you can see this in their own Greek-English "Kingdom Interlinear Translation". I challenge you to from now on say you are "in union with the truth" and see how acceptable this is to the Watchtower clergy and followers.