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  Discussion with some elders

  by GoUnion in

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  2. experiences

  hello everyone just wanted to relate a situation that occurred a few days ago.

  so i have quit going to meetings for a few months now based on some issues i have with the explanations of current doctrines.

  my wife is none too happy with this but over the last few months we have had some date nights and have tentitively agreed to disagree.

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  Fernando

  In response to your question GoUnion, I would say that at its heart this organisation is indeed inherently evil.

  Like all villains it is however well versed in camouflage (to hide what it is) and projection (accusing others of its own crimes).

  Psychiatrist Morgan Scott Peck defined evil as "militant ignorance" and characterised it as "malignant self-righteousness".

  If you were to make a study of the "Good News" according to Paul and examine the Watchtower organisation in this light, it becomes as clear as day.

  You might be interested to do the following searches in the wt library:

  - "legalism"

  - "learning from an experiment that failed"

  These great articles read as if written by Ray Franz.
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  Disturbing Footnote in Tomorrow's Study Article...

  by HeyThere in

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  2. beliefs

  article is basicqlly about families where a spouse is working away from home for an extended period, etc...a foot note says basically that some studies have shown that working away from home can cause serious consequences, such as infidelity, homosexuality, or incest.

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  pull it up on jw.org...that is what it says.

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  Fernando

  Blame shifting?

  It sounds like they are denying that the toxic spiritual food they feed their followers is responsible for the very outcomes they despise.

  No it is the followers' fault bacause of being away from home too long.

  Lame and pathetic!
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  Thread Envy

  by snowbird in

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  2. friends

  transhuman mentioned that someone on the board suffers from thread envy.. are you jealous of other posters who just seem to be able to generate responses to their threads?.

  lol..

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  Fernando

  And then there's Post Count Envy.
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  Uplifing articles

  by SuperBoy in

  1. social
  2. current

  there was a very funny comedian/writer in the uk called alan coren.

  he died a few years ago, and his daughter, another writer, posted this article about him.

  it is one of the most moving and uplifting articles i have ever read.

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  Fernando

  A wonderful reminder to focus on the many positives, which can end up creating more.
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  Why?

  by SuperBoy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why does the wtbs do what it does?

  if it's just to make money, they are easier ways.

  online bingo websites for example.. what is the motivation to have millions of followers "voluntarily" giving of their time?

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  Fernando

  SuperBoy, to me this question is like asking why do control freaks do what they do.
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  Carl Sagan Quotation

  by Mum in

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  2. relationships

  the scientific mind can hone in on some great, but sometimes obvious facts.

  i love this one:.

  one of the saddest lessons of history is this: if we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle.

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  Fernando

  Too true.

  Sounds a little like (spiritual) Stockholm Syndrome, where abductees and captives of the apostate Watchtower Organisation will defend it with their life.
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  org is dying

  by lambsbottom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't understand why so many ex jws and faders think that the jws will continue to grow and thrive as a religion.

  i still attend a meeting once a week and you can smell the death of the religion creeping up when you hear the talks, read the study wts and hear the letters from the gb.

  the way the organization has changed is a sign that it reached its peak (in "healthy" membership) long ago.

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  Fernando

  I like your theory Mickey mouse, and personally think it may even be more fact than theory...
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  John 9 - disfellowshipped apostates reviled like the Pharisees reviled and cast out healed blind man

  by yadda yadda 2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've always admired the mocking honesty and courage of the blind man who was healed by jesus when he was summoned by the pharisees.

  he was thrown out of the synagogue for daring to tell the truth to the blind and arrogant pharisees.. the blind man's parents were afraid to say the truth out of fear of being cast out and ostracised by their religious community.

  how strikingly similar is the situation today for many ex-jw's who have boldly spoken the truth about the watchtower's falsehoods and harm, and who were as a result reviled by being branded mentally diseased apostates, etc, and cruelly cast out of their jw community and shunned, sometimes even by their loved one.. i raise a toast to such ones for their bravery and love of truth.. john 9:8-34 8 therefore the neighbors and those who previously had seen that he was blind said,is not this he who sat and begged?

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  (John 9:22) . . .His parents said these things because they were in fear of the Jews, for the Jews had already come to an agreement that, if anyone confessed him as Christ, he should get expelled from the synagogue.

  (John 12:42, 43) . . .All the same, many even of the rulers actually put faith in him, but because of the Pharisees they would not confess [him], in order not to be expelled from the synagogue; 43 for they loved the glory of men more than even the glory of God.

  (John 16:1-4) . . .“I have spoken these things to YOU that YOU may not be stumbled. 2 Men will expel YOU from the synagogue. In fact, the hour is coming when everyone that kills YOU will imagine he has rendered a sacred service to God. 3 But they will do these things because they have not come to know either the Father or me. 4 Nevertheless, I have spoken these things to YOU that, when the hour for them arrives, YOU may remember I told them to YOU.. . .
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  Can religion be banned?

  by FL_Panthers in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  is this a realistic thing?

  can the governments or someone else ban religion?.

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  Fernando

  A similar question was asked around 500 years ago: "is freedom of religion possible?"

  The question now: "is freedom from religion possible?"

  I believe that's what this verse is saying:

  (Revelation 18:21) . . .“Thus with a swift pitch will Babylon the great city be hurled down, and she will never be found again.

  Once enough of us have awoken to the destructive nature at the heart of religion it could indeed be banned.

  One imagines a similar process to cigarette smoking: start with education and increasing the cost of the habit.
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  The new phonograph

  by Pistoff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  way back in 20's or 30's, (someone correct me if i have the time frame wrong), the wt's strategy for witnessing was to give each publisher (or have them buy one) a phonograph to set on the householder's steps so they could play one of the judge's speeches.. flash forward and there was a testimony card that publishers handed to the householder, introducing them.. this gave way to the current model of the publisher being informed and able to discuss a subject with the householder.. .

  that seems to be giving way to the new approach being used by the wt: the website.. the wt realizes that slick content is more impressive that a publisher talking, one who can't or won't keep up with the insane doctrinal changes.. publishing books and magazines is taking the back seat; the wt and awake have less than half the content they used to, and are published half as often.. the wt's trolley cart method involves not getting into discussions with people, but using an ipad to play them a video.. .

  the past is the future!.

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  Fernando

  Great catch Pistoff.

  The best way to keep mindless drones on script.