Posts by Fernando

they had been introduced by a former sheriff who claims he had researched the company and found no leins or judgments, and that former sheriff had been brought in by a pastor.

you can read what happened with fhtm on wikipedia if you so desire.. this whole new idea of multilevel marketing had my brain reeling, though, and soon enough, i actually signed up with none other than prepaid legal.

Fernando

Hopefully next time someone wants to "lay a spiel" on me I remember to insist on full disclosure via an income distribution statement covering total membership and sales.

My guess is that 99% of Scamway members would be better off if they'd never heard of the cult.

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2013 NWT - Conveniently Circular

by theunbeliever in

this is my first post.

as i am currently disfellowshipped, i have no one else to discuss these things with.

even if i was actively associated with the dubs, i suppose i'd still have no one else to discuss this with.

Fernando

A warm welcome theunbeliever.

This is the place to be, and thank you for sharing.

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Starting a 'Bible Study' - The Basics

by Joe Grundy in

i never was a jw.

i was brought up in a fairly fundie sect (pb) and have been for many years an interested atheist.

i am an admirer of the work of bart ehrman (and recommend his blog).. from time to time, jws call at my door and invite me to partake in a 'bible study'.

Fernando

They think they know because they think mother knows.

The blind leading the blind...

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Apostacy the same as blasphemy?

by QuestioningEverything in

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when i was growing up, the worst thing a jw could do was be 'blasphemous against the holy spirit'.

that was certain to be instant death in the eyes of the wt.

now, as i understand it, apostacy is the worst thing you can do.

Fernando

If the Watchtower correctly defined and explained apostasy and blasphemy they would be guilty of both.

Apostasy: spiritual unfaithfulness

Blasphemy: ascribing the Holy Spirit's work and testimony to the forces of darkness

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses view the governing body differently since seeing them on the TV?

by jambon1 in

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i think this may be a bigger issue for the society than we realise.. when you consider that witnesses have now had well over a year of regularly seeing their 'channel to god' with their own eyes, what do you think they're thinking?.

i'm going to put this as respectfully as i can; these men are clearly a bunch of utter clowns who are laughably inadequate to present a tv show, but also, they are now ridiculously discredited due to the absolute shite that they've spoken in these laughable productions.. consider things from a jw's perspective; tony morris, stephen lett & geoffrey jackson are 'the channel' that makes their religion 'special'.

these men are the channel god is using to lead his people in the modern day.

Fernando

If and when I choose to see the emperor's blatant and odious nakedness, militant ignorance, and malignant self-righteousness I can...

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Is disassociating worth the hassle?

by HereIgo in

i have been out now for 6 years but lately i have been giving some thought to da.

i just kind of feel that chapter in my life is still open and for some reason i feel like da'ing might close that chapter but i'm not entirely sure.

im not df either, when i left i basically faded and disappeared.

Fernando

It was the right thing for our family, and allowed us to be open about our beliefs and choices without looking over our shoulders all the time.

The freedom to take a book out from the library without fear of assassination by a Judging Committee is fundamental and priceless to us.

In rejecting the Watchtower we were also rejecting their apostasy (spiritual unfaithfulness).

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Jehovah's Witnesses ARE Christians, why do so many ex JW's deny this?

by nicolaou in

jehovah's witnesses accept jesus as christ, the son of god.

they try, in their own way, to live by his teachings and imitate him.

they pray, read the bible and meet together regularly for worship.. i won't minimise any of the harm and damage they cause but for the life of me, i can't see how anyone can credibly deny that they are christians.. why do so many former jws have a problem with this?

Fernando

If being a Christian means belonging to a religious group that claim to follow Jesus, but in reality follow men instead, then the JWs are Christian as far as I can tell.

However if a Christian is someone who follows Jesus, instead of a religious group, then the JWs are assuredly not Christian as far as I can tell.

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Who has the authority to decern what the bible really teaches?

by TTWSYF in

so i ask because of all the books, mags and testimonies that the wts promotes.

not only the wts, but many other christians attempt to speak about the bible with authority.

how do we measure who is an authority if we don't know that much?.

Fernando

In my experience God speaks directly to each of all the time.

We hear or experience this as an inner knowing.

The best tool or framework for tuning in it seems is the liberating gospel of grace.

The best tool or framework for tuning out it seems is religion (Matt 23 esp v15).