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  1975 Believers 101

  by JAVA in

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  a believer of a conviction is a hard person to change.

  tell a believer you disagree with them and he?ll run away.

  show him the facts and figures, and he?ll question the source.

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  JAVA

  Leolaia,
  
  Thanks for the WT quote. You're right, the quote shows the mindset of the True Believer. The Tower can "fool" the believer, logic proves the believer is a fool, but the band plays on. Until the believer has some reason or need to snap out of the mindset, he'll encourage others to do likewise.
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  1975 Believers 101

  by JAVA in

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  a believer of a conviction is a hard person to change.

  tell a believer you disagree with them and he?ll run away.

  show him the facts and figures, and he?ll question the source.

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  JAVA

  A believer of a conviction is a hard person to change. Tell a believer you disagree with them and he?ll run away. Show him the facts and figures, and he?ll question the source. Appeal to logic and he can?t see the point.
  
  We all experienced the futility of trying to change a strong conviction of a Witness, especially if that person has an investment in his belief. Like the number of years already invested or friends and family members in ?the Truth.? Most of us are familiar with defenses JWs come up with to protect their convictions. Believers manage to keep themselves protected through attacks and facts.
  
  But a believing person?s resourcefulness goes beyond protecting a belief. Suppose a Witness believes something with his whole heart, and also suppose that he has a commitment to that belief, that he?s taken action because of it, and that he is presented with evidence, undeniable evidence, that his belief is wrong?what happens?
  
  For example, suppose an individual believes what the Watchtower Society suggested about 1975. As a result, he sells a small business to work fulltime bringing others into the organization before it?s too late. He has just enough money to pioneer until the end of 1975 before the money is gone. He?s not foolish because The Kingdom Ministry has reported his faithfulness to readers; encouraging others to do likewise.
  
  On January 1, 1976 this believer is presented with unequivocal and undeniable evidence that his belief is wrong?what will happen?
  
  Many of the Witnesses that took these actions and fully trusted the Watchtower Society emerged, not only unshaken, but even more convinced of ?the Truth.? Some showed renewed fervor with every passing ?sign,? while convincing others to join them.
  
  The life of a true believer is remarkable! Their faith goes beyond logic because of their investment, because of family and friends?their entire social network is wrapped up in a sinking ship. And as the Titanic sank in the frigid waters?the band played on.
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  Paste from Word

  by JAVA in

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  .

  for some reason, i can't paste the story from word.

  i'll try another time.

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  JAVA

  For some reason, I can't paste the story from Word. I'll try another time.
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  What God has yoked together, let no man put asunder

  by JustTickledPink in

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  in some religious marriage ceremonies, they recite the scripture,.

  "let the two become one flesh, what god has yoked together let no man put asunder".

  i was thinking of the terry shaivo case today and thinking if you take marriage vows seriously then your spouse always would have guardianship and rights to you considering you both are one flesh.. how can you reconcile honoring those vows and trying to dissolve "what god has yoked together".

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  I suppose that those blissful 60 year marriages attest to God's superior wisdom in choosing marriage mates.

  It could also suggest they were too disorganized to file the court paper work.

  I wish everyone a long and happy life (except for the WT leadership), and if that includes the person one is married to, great! But couples don't alway maintain the same interests or have the same goals. For whatever reason(s), some people just turn out to be total jerks or abusive. I think Fyling High makes a good point about God yoking or un-yoking people together. We can't blame or credit everything on God; sometimes the Good, Bad, and Ugly just happens.
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  Bush pushes for attack on Vatican...

  by Abaddon in

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  washington d.c. .

  president bush today is expected to push through a special bill that will clear the way for a full-scale attack on vatican city by us special forces.

  this action, president bush stated;.

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  JAVA

  He couldn't manage such a big word without his dad's help.

  So funny, so true, so sad . . .
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  JW is caught swearing on PEOPLE'S COURT

  by carefully faded in

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  i'm watching people's court right now while i'm surfing the net.

  and perked up when i heard the words "kingdom hall".

  turns out the plaintiff, an elderly woman, is a jw and mentioned during her testimony that she was on the way to kingdom hall when her car started knocking and making noises.

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  I have a mouth like a sailor. It was cited as one of the reasons for my DF'ing.

  Well #####, I didn't know it was that easy!
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  JW is caught swearing on PEOPLE'S COURT

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  i'm watching people's court right now while i'm surfing the net.

  and perked up when i heard the words "kingdom hall".

  turns out the plaintiff, an elderly woman, is a jw and mentioned during her testimony that she was on the way to kingdom hall when her car started knocking and making noises.

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  Yeah, I agree with Golf, those "expletive" words fly out of me, too. But in order to make "a good witness" I don't do it in a court room with the camera rolling and the sound turned on.
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  What God has yoked together, let no man put asunder

  by JustTickledPink in

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  in some religious marriage ceremonies, they recite the scripture,.

  "let the two become one flesh, what god has yoked together let no man put asunder".

  i was thinking of the terry shaivo case today and thinking if you take marriage vows seriously then your spouse always would have guardianship and rights to you considering you both are one flesh.. how can you reconcile honoring those vows and trying to dissolve "what god has yoked together".

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  JAVA

  now the question becomes, what's the Creator's view?

  Interesting question Golf. I would like to think we would be encouraged to grow as information in health care and the sciences gives us more tools to help mankind. It changes a little each day, and what we knew about health care 2,000 years ago is very diffenent today. I'm sure the Creator is not stuck in time, and wouldn't want His creation to be stuck either. That's my theory; what do you think?
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  What God has yoked together, let no man put asunder

  by JustTickledPink in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in some religious marriage ceremonies, they recite the scripture,.

  "let the two become one flesh, what god has yoked together let no man put asunder".

  i was thinking of the terry shaivo case today and thinking if you take marriage vows seriously then your spouse always would have guardianship and rights to you considering you both are one flesh.. how can you reconcile honoring those vows and trying to dissolve "what god has yoked together".

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  JAVA

  How? If it there's a television camera around, that's how.

  
  
  http://www.daytondailynews.com/peters/content/opinion/peters/peters1.html
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  What God has yoked together, let no man put asunder

  by JustTickledPink in

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  in some religious marriage ceremonies, they recite the scripture,.

  "let the two become one flesh, what god has yoked together let no man put asunder".

  i was thinking of the terry shaivo case today and thinking if you take marriage vows seriously then your spouse always would have guardianship and rights to you considering you both are one flesh.. how can you reconcile honoring those vows and trying to dissolve "what god has yoked together".

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  JAVA

  I might step on a few feelings, but here?s my opinion. The Terry Shaivo case was dragged into the media to a large extent through the efforts of the so-called Right to Life folks. Mind you, I favor right to life, but it?s not limited to before birth or after a person is brain dead. (Please read that again.)
  
  I think it?s a shame we don?t value life enough to support families, and education, and health care, instead of cutting nearly every program that supports the living.
  
  I think it?s a rotten shame that Mr. Shaivo couldn?t treat his spouse humanly, in the way that he could treat a brain dead pet. Mr. Shaivo would be arrested in Florida if he withheld food from a brain dead pet, but folks like the Right to Lifers will do anything they can to keep society from acting in a human way for people like Terry Shaivo.
  
  I believe Mr. Shaivo, and he alone, has the right to act on behalf of Terry. The poor woman was brain dead for 15 years, and the Right to Lifers played the media at her expense! If one is truly interested in the living, then they should get off their knees and start acting like Jesus and help the living.