Very good post!!!
babygirl30
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ATTENTION ALL LURKING, CURIOUS JW'S, JW TROLLS, AND FORMER JW'S DETERMINED TO SAVE JW'S FROM THEMSELVES
by AllTimeJeff inthank you all.. it seems that we former jw's have excellent reasons to be be upset.
between being lied to about how russell and rutherford started this fruity little cult, having to deal with the coverups of pedophiles and other criminals, the mysoginistic treatment of women, being lied to about 1914 and the related date of 607 bce, the ridiculous and ever changing blood doctrine, being lied to about gb involvement in the un, the changed it once and now back again understanding of what a "generation" is, being lied to about when the end of this system was supposed to come, being lied to about 1975, being told not to go to college and instead explore the underrated world of window washing with the outstanding income potential it produces...... *panting* i am sorry, i am out of breath...... my point is this, (and i speak from experience): former jw's are pretty raw.
and thus, easily exploitable on internet boards by trolls.. trolls see this.
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Do Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus died for their sins?
by ThomasCovenant inhaving only been a witness for about 30 years i'm not really sure about the answer.
i would say 'yes' but does anyone know further.. i'm aware of the 'mediator only for the 144,00', but am i correct in saying the wts agrees, and by default all witnesses agree, that jesus died for their sins?.
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babygirl30
He died and bore our sins for us (big difference than just balancing Adam’s sin) and by his faith we are cleansed and forgiven. All he asks is that we believe it and he promises you life. No works by any human could ever accomplish that. It is a gift. You don’t work for a gift. It is free. It is by grace.
You have NO idea how much this topic still bugs me...I was born in, so I have always been taught that Jesus died for our sins BUT that we have to work to reap the rewards OF that sacrifice he made. I often wondered: if Jesus died for our sins, and we are to be grateful to he and to Jehovah for offering up his son, WHAT are we really being thankful for???? Cause according to JW ideas, I tecnically have to EARN that sacrifice. Confuses the hell outta me...
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I don't owe ANYONE an explaination...
by babygirl30 in...about why i do not want to come back (get reinstated), but i find myself defending my decision!.
i say this because an old friend of mine sent me a text late last night, asking me if i'm 'back so we can talk'?!
let me give you a lil background story, this girl is developmentally challenged, 36yrs old, can't hold down a job, drive, nor live alone.
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babygirl30
Same here! My dad's worldly family is APPALLED that he treats me like this...and they have spoken UP about it too. Each one of them has called me directly and expressed THEIR love and support no matter what - which i KNOW ticks my dad off, but I don't care. They will ask him why he shuns me (they were raised in the 'chuuch' - hahahah) and his response is always "You need to ask HER"! I mean, what kind of PUNK is he? If you can treat me so coldly and I'm your own child, then you ought to be man enough to be HONEST and tell people why you are?! Funny enough, all my xtd famiily makes it loud and clear that they NEVER liked JWs and always felt sorry for us kids being raised in the religion...
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I don't owe ANYONE an explaination...
by babygirl30 in...about why i do not want to come back (get reinstated), but i find myself defending my decision!.
i say this because an old friend of mine sent me a text late last night, asking me if i'm 'back so we can talk'?!
let me give you a lil background story, this girl is developmentally challenged, 36yrs old, can't hold down a job, drive, nor live alone.
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JW trying to guilt/bully me back.
My parents do that in SPURTS! After my surgery, my mom was UP my butt about coming back...and she used the whole 'guilt' trip of claiming by my dating a non-JW and living with him, I was giving HIM a bad Witness. Like you, SHE (yes - my own mother) had to be told off! Told her point blank "The only ones giving a bad Witness are the Witnesses themselves! People know I was abused...people know I was kicked out the religion...they know I don't lie, cheat, steal, sleep around, get drunk or do drugs...people know I have reached out to you (mom and dad) and you have chosen to harden YOUR hearts towards ME. So really, YOU are giving the bad Witness - not me." She really had NOTHING to say after that.
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I don't owe ANYONE an explaination...
by babygirl30 in...about why i do not want to come back (get reinstated), but i find myself defending my decision!.
i say this because an old friend of mine sent me a text late last night, asking me if i'm 'back so we can talk'?!
let me give you a lil background story, this girl is developmentally challenged, 36yrs old, can't hold down a job, drive, nor live alone.
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I honestly believe she was asking out of purse concern...remember, the girl doesn't really LIVE an independent life - she is 'challenged' and lives with her parents at the age of 36! I had let her come visit me (we live 2hrs apart) and stay for a wknd, and she doesn't REALLY have a lot of friends. Guess I feel sorry for her cause I 'get it' - I mean, I understand why she would feel bad.
People need to understand that my NOT being a JW is my choice!! I CHOOSE not to return, I CHOOSE not to give the power of my future over into the hands of 3 elders who really don't know me. I should start asking others 'why do YOU stay a JW?'
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I don't owe ANYONE an explaination...
by babygirl30 in...about why i do not want to come back (get reinstated), but i find myself defending my decision!.
i say this because an old friend of mine sent me a text late last night, asking me if i'm 'back so we can talk'?!
let me give you a lil background story, this girl is developmentally challenged, 36yrs old, can't hold down a job, drive, nor live alone.
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Heartbreaker My reason is...cause I WANT TO! LOL
poppers I honestly believe that (quote) though...JWs have this sick sense of responsibility to EVERYONE and EVERYTHING. No wonder they are all driven nuts!! They live for others, not taking into regard their own feelings.
Robert7 the frustration is CRAZY!! It's annoying to even try to talk about it to a JW...
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JW views on Mental Health & Counseling
by Confuzzled ini am considering getting couples counseling for the jw boyfriend and i. he's open to it.
he got help himself for an issue recently, but it was in the short term, and it went well for him.
i want to know if we started going regularly, and his mentor got wind of it, what are the jw views on mental health help?
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babygirl30
I know at least one JW who went to counseling but held back on information so that they didn't give God's organization a bad name. I suspect that this pretty much puts a damper on the effectiveness of the whole counseling session.
BINGO! That is exactly what my parents TOLD me to do...I was to NEVER mention Jehovah's org because it brings reproach and makes God look BAD! In reality, it's all about 'secret keeping' and it's wrong. Open and Honest communication is the key to healing and solving problems.
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JW views on Mental Health & Counseling
by Confuzzled ini am considering getting couples counseling for the jw boyfriend and i. he's open to it.
he got help himself for an issue recently, but it was in the short term, and it went well for him.
i want to know if we started going regularly, and his mentor got wind of it, what are the jw views on mental health help?
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babygirl30
I saw a psychologist after being abused by a JW...and I was told by my parents to keep it quiet and by the elders, I was chastised - telling me that instead of therapy, I needed to place FULL reliance in Jehovah to get myself together?! When I spoke to them mos later, I mentioned therapy, and they AGAIN threw it in my face....
It's better to just GET the help you need and DO what you gotta do.
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I don't owe ANYONE an explaination...
by babygirl30 in...about why i do not want to come back (get reinstated), but i find myself defending my decision!.
i say this because an old friend of mine sent me a text late last night, asking me if i'm 'back so we can talk'?!
let me give you a lil background story, this girl is developmentally challenged, 36yrs old, can't hold down a job, drive, nor live alone.
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...about WHY I do not want to come back (get reinstated), but I find myself DEFENDING my decision!
I say this because an old friend of mine sent me a text late last night, asking me if I'm 'back so we can talk'?! Let me give you a lil background story, this girl is developmentally challenged, 36yrs old, can't hold down a job, drive, nor live alone. She functions quite normally but her mentality is probably that of a 17yr old. Met her at my gram's cong years ago, befriended her, and have kept in touch as I got older. So, this girl really is a sweetie, but is in a family of BACKWARDS JWs...they are all really backwards.
Well - I responded to her that I decided NOT to return and am HAPPY with my life! She surprisingly started a conversation with me...she asked me WHY I don't want to come back? All I said was "I went through a lot 2yrs ago and needed support - not to be DF'd at my lowest. All of that made me realize that my relationship with Jehovah is btwn he and I, NOT a religion." Now this girl again has the mind of a 17yr old - so I didn't want to get TOO deep into it or mess with HER thinin (as she still lives with her parents). About 2hrs later, she texts me again, telling me that she misses me and wishes I had talked to her, and that she wished I had never 'gone away'. HAHAHAHA! I told her I didn't GO away - I was forced out and there IS a difference!!
Her final comment was: "ur words will help me examine myself 2 c where I am spiritually. thank u." Not sure what THAT means...but I HATE feeling like I owe a reason for not wanting to come back? Like I need to be responsible for everyone ELSES feelings about MY choice?! UGH!
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New CO talk: Be loyal to Org. even if you get weird instructions or can prove them wrong doctrinally!
by sir82 intheme was something about "loyalty to jehovah's visible organization".. i have neither the time nor inclination to summarize the whole thing, but a few points stood out:.
even if it causes you personal hardship.
example: joshua & caleb returned from spy trip to promised land with good report, but were "outvoted" by the other 10 spies.
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Soldier77 If they come right out and say, "Be loyal to visible org. even if you know they are wrong" I'm done, no slow fade, just stand up and walk out the front door.
REALLY???? THAT take cojones! If I saw that - someone just get up and storm out the Khall - my eyes would bug out and I would seriously be nosey enough to follow you and ask you WHY! That is TOO cool!!!