Posts by lovelylil2

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Making Sense of God's Silence

by lovelylil2 in

there is a wonderful 4 part radio program on the plain truth ministries website this week about making sense of god's silence.

you can find it here www.ptm.org just click on radio and you can listen online or download free mp3s of the program.. here is the order of the 4 part series and topics discussed;.

1. is god really there?.

Thanks for your comments. I wasn't asking a question though on this thread. The making sense of God's silence is actually a four part lecture series that Plain Truth Ministries has on their website. I was simply bringing attention to it.

On a personal note, but not to get too offtrack here on the subject, I do not think God is silent. I think he speaks to us in the way the Bible says he does which is thru his creations, thru his word, more importantly thru the life and ministry of his Son Jesus, and thru his Holy Spirit that dwells in all believers.

however, many people who do not have intimate fellowship with God like the church does often ask "why God is silent". That is why the PTM Ministry is addressing that Q this week with their lectures. Which btw for those interested can be downloaded in mp3 form for free.

So again, I personally do not believe God is silent. Peace, Lilly

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Community Service - why looked down on when it was so encouraged by Jesus

by insearchoftruth in

my wife yesterday was talking about how useless it really is to feed the hungry and provide cold weather shelters since the problem will not go away until the 'new system of things'.. i know that at one time jesus does state that there will be poor always, but a key aspect of his ministry on earth was helping the less fortunate.

how does the wts justify the discouragement of its rank and file from performing acts of community service, when the 'greatest man who ever lived' was so active in it?.

lovelylil2

Stephen,

My thoughts exactly. See my earlier posts. Also building on what Stephen quoted in James, here is another James text that the WT ignores.

James 1:27

Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

We had many widows in our congregation that got completely ignored by all the elders and most others too. That is probably because they did not have much $$$$. There was one widow, a lovely lady who was in the WT more than 30 years, raising all 5 of her children in the org. who would call my husand whenever she needed help with anything because none of the other brothers would assist her. She was labled as a pain in the neck by the brothers. Can you believe that?? My husband would change lightbulbs for her when she couldn't reach them and put her air conditioner in the window every summer. Also do any painting or other chores around her home when necessary. She always appreciated it and became very fond of my family. She was like an adopted grandmother to my kids. She died the year before we left the org. I still miss her very much.

Not only do jws not help people in the world, they seldom help each other in the congregations. This makes sense because their "mother" (org) is selfish too and is a taker, taking millions of $$$ from these same widows and orphans and giving them nothing back in return.

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Making Sense of God's Silence

by lovelylil2 in

there is a wonderful 4 part radio program on the plain truth ministries website this week about making sense of god's silence.

you can find it here www.ptm.org just click on radio and you can listen online or download free mp3s of the program.. here is the order of the 4 part series and topics discussed;.

1. is god really there?.

lovelylil2

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FOR THOSE WHO HAVE LEFT THE TRUTH?

by lgadsden in

jw
friends

jehovahs day comes at this moment and u realize u were in the right place but because of leaving you are now doomed.

would everything gained (temporary) enjoyment worth it?.

lovelylil2

I am with snowbird, that is never going to happen.

The WT organization is a false prophet and was apostate from its very beginning. Also just want to point out that most ex jws I know did not leave because they wanted to get more enjoyment out of life. That is a WT claim that they continually make to make people who leave the org seem shallow.

People leave the WT for a myriad of reasons including, reconizing the WT is false, not seeing any love shown to them or their families, the endlessly being told you are not good enough, or that you are not doing enough, and there are many other reasons too.

I left because Jesus Christ called me out of that false religion, because he had something better in store for me than being a WT slave the rest of my life. Peace, Lilly

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Community Service - why looked down on when it was so encouraged by Jesus

by insearchoftruth in

my wife yesterday was talking about how useless it really is to feed the hungry and provide cold weather shelters since the problem will not go away until the 'new system of things'.. i know that at one time jesus does state that there will be poor always, but a key aspect of his ministry on earth was helping the less fortunate.

how does the wts justify the discouragement of its rank and file from performing acts of community service, when the 'greatest man who ever lived' was so active in it?.

lovelylil2

Many times when my husband and I were out in service, we met people who needed material things such as money to pay for their heating oil, warm clothes for their kids, or groceries. And we helped all these people out of our own pocket. One time when we did this, some nosey sisters in our hall (Hingham MA) actually had the nerve to ask me what my family was doing for the friends in the truth?

Apparently they felt it was improper to give to those who were "worldly" when there was a need in the congregation. I told her how my family gave lots of $$$ and time to the WT, gave work to brothers who needed it to support their family, even those these "brothers" charged 2x as much as the "worldly" people for the same work. In addtion we have widows and orphans over for dinner continually, send meals over to the sick and grieving friends and do much more than that too.

Even with this being said, I was scolded and told I needed to get my priorities straight. I came to believe after that, the reason they reacted that way is most of the JW's do not love people unconditionally and this is the way the WT has trained them. And the WT has also trained them to literally hate people in the world, when that is another teaching directly contradicting Christ.

Jeff,

I agree with you 100%. Just want to point out though the only reason I mentioned Jesus' words about service to others in this thread is because the WT claims to be a christian organization. And yet, they continually prove false to that.

I did not want to give the impression that I think ONLY Christians give to others. Also, I want to clarify that most Christians (myself included) do not give just because of Christ's words or because we feel obligated to, because we are Christians. We mostly give because of our love for others, which for believers partly springs from the spirit of God dwelling in us. The other part of me learned to be giving to others because that is simply the way my parents brought me up.

Peace, Lilly

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Community Service - why looked down on when it was so encouraged by Jesus

by insearchoftruth in

my wife yesterday was talking about how useless it really is to feed the hungry and provide cold weather shelters since the problem will not go away until the 'new system of things'.. i know that at one time jesus does state that there will be poor always, but a key aspect of his ministry on earth was helping the less fortunate.

how does the wts justify the discouragement of its rank and file from performing acts of community service, when the 'greatest man who ever lived' was so active in it?.

lovelylil2

Matthew 25:44-46 (Amplified Bible Version)

44 Then they also [in their turn] will answer, Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?

45 And He will reply to them, Solemnly I declare to you, in so far as you failed to do it for the least (in the estimation of men) of these, you failed to do it for Me.

46 Then they will go away into eternal punishment, but those who are just and upright and in right standing with God into eternal life.

Yes the church of Christ is supposed to be involved in community service and this is just not preaching. We are to feed the hungry, provide shelter for the needy, help those who are ill, etc. in imitation to the example our Lord set for us. Peace, Lilly

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If God Truly Cared About People Wouldn't He DO SOMETHING By Now?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i know what the witness response is to this but what do you say now?.

lovelylil2

I think I was clear on my position, lots of suffering is our own fault but some are natural disasters, unforseen occurances, etc. Man is Lord of the earth and we need to help our fellow man. God expects the church to outreach to the world in addition to preaching the Ministry of Reconcilliation. Which literally means God is reconciling all things back to himself. He has already set his plan in motion, sent his son which was a display of his love for us (John 3:16) and this life is temporary only as we are awaiting a new heavens and new earth.

In the meantime, yes we have to endure suffering for many reasons. The answers are in the bible and you can pray for the Spirit to help you understand it.

I am not going to keep going around in circles so happyguy, I think you have to go back and reread my posts. You are still twisting everything I am saying. This is my last post on this, maybe someone else can weigh in on the topic because this is too busy a week for me to be tied to the computer all day.

Peace to all, Lilly

P.S. Igadsden, I agree with you and snowbird.

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If God Truly Cared About People Wouldn't He DO SOMETHING By Now?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i know what the witness response is to this but what do you say now?.

lovelylil2

startingover,

I do not do good things out of fear. I do them from the goodness of my heart. I also do them because I do believe in Jesus and I take seriously that he said we must "Love our nieghbor as ourselves" and our neighbors really are the entire world.

I agree that you do not have to be a Christian to do good for others. I admire people like the Dalai Lama as well as Ghandi. I do not feel God only approves of Christian people. The Bible is clear that God is not partial but accepts all those who are righteous and do what is good.

Have a great Holiday. Lilly

Mad Dawg,

I enjoyed your comments.

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Making Sense of God's Silence

by lovelylil2 in

there is a wonderful 4 part radio program on the plain truth ministries website this week about making sense of god's silence.

you can find it here www.ptm.org just click on radio and you can listen online or download free mp3s of the program.. here is the order of the 4 part series and topics discussed;.

1. is god really there?.

lovelylil2

Some people do not just read about God in a book.

One Native American told a Christian Missionary "your people read about God in the pages of a book, But my people experience God in the wind, in the rain and in all of nature".

I think even when God is seemingly silent, he is speaking to us through all his creations. Peace, Lilly

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Since Leaving The "Truth" Is Your Life Better?

by minimus in

jw
friends

you are told that if you "go back to the vomit" of the world, you will be miserable.. is your life better or worse since you've removed yourself from the organization's hold?.

lovelylil2

100% better