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  Is the Bible Really Scientifically Accurate?

  by FreeAtLast1914 in

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  the society (and others) love to quote job 26:7 where it says that "[god] suspends the earth over nothing" and isaiah 40:22, where it speaks of "the circle of the earth".

  they use these scriptures to boast about the incredible scientific accuracy of the bible, proving god had a direct hand in everything written in it.. the trouble is that elsewhere in the scriptures, opposing views are put forth explaining then-unexplainable physics and geographical notions.

  one is job 26:11: "the pillars of heaven tremble.

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  lovelylil2

  Leave it to scientists then to be accurate.

  Like they were in the global climate hoax?

  Perry, that was priceless!
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  Is the Bible Really Scientifically Accurate?

  by FreeAtLast1914 in

  1. jw
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  the society (and others) love to quote job 26:7 where it says that "[god] suspends the earth over nothing" and isaiah 40:22, where it speaks of "the circle of the earth".

  they use these scriptures to boast about the incredible scientific accuracy of the bible, proving god had a direct hand in everything written in it.. the trouble is that elsewhere in the scriptures, opposing views are put forth explaining then-unexplainable physics and geographical notions.

  one is job 26:11: "the pillars of heaven tremble.

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  lovelylil2

  Perry,

  do you have more information about what you stated above? If so I would be interested in seeing it. Please pm me, thanks Lilly
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  I Have a New Method for Dealing With Ridiculous Assumptions

  by AllTimeJeff in

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  my one disclaimer is this: to my theistic friends, i am not saying the following to be disrespectful of your beliefs.

  however, since i don't believe as you all do, it is only honest of me to present this.. i bring this up because i have been caught up lately in debates that i normally don't involve myself in.

  i have been left a little drained and confused as to why i allowed myself to argue a point till its beaten to a bloody pulp.

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  lovelylil2

  I agree with you on this.

  I've been caught up in the same debates it seems and just have to realize that not many on this forum ask a Q looking for an honest anwer from someone else's perspective. What they really want is someone to support thier own perspectives whether that be agnostic,athiest or christian. If someone of another view disagrees, they are immediately ridiculed, called names or told they are not intelligent enough to respond, etc. I've seen this go both ways with believers and nonbelievers.

  So I am also shutting the door on certain threads saying "no thanks I am not interested"

  This is going to save me lots of time. So thanks for the good advice. Peace, Lilly
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  Is the Bible Really Scientifically Accurate?

  by FreeAtLast1914 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the society (and others) love to quote job 26:7 where it says that "[god] suspends the earth over nothing" and isaiah 40:22, where it speaks of "the circle of the earth".

  they use these scriptures to boast about the incredible scientific accuracy of the bible, proving god had a direct hand in everything written in it.. the trouble is that elsewhere in the scriptures, opposing views are put forth explaining then-unexplainable physics and geographical notions.

  one is job 26:11: "the pillars of heaven tremble.

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  olin,

  In answer to your so called problems with the bible and science please note the following;

  You claim the bible says earth was created in six literal days;

  well, you are making an assumption that the bible writers are using "day" to represent a 24 hour period. The truth is we have no idea how long one of God's creative "days" really was. It could mean epochs long for all that we know.

  You also claim that Ecclesiastes 1:5 states that the sun revolves around the earth?

  My bible does not say that it says " The sun rises and the sun sets,
  and hurries back to where it rises.

  This vese says nothing about the sun revolving around the earth, it is talking about the rising and setting of the sun. If you mean the part that says "it hurries back to where it rises" this statement is not literal but figuratively speaking saying that it is like the sun hurries back to where it started.

  You claim Genesis 1 says that plants are created before the sun, and so this cannot happen because the plants need the sun. Thus you are saying this is a scientific impossiblity because of photosynthesis.

  Well, look at Genesis 1 again;

  1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

  2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

  3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

  6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

  9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.

  11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

  14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

  You will notice from the above that BEFORE plants were created God created Light and Water. First off that light WAS the sun, so he did create the sun prior to plants (vrs3). What he created after plants was a "division between night and day" by putting the two great luminaries into the sky, the sun and the moon.

  But let us say you argue that the light was not the sun as some do. Well if so then let me ask you this; Can a person grow a plant indoors with LIGHT and WATER but no sun? Absolutely. I put seedlings under an ordinary lamp and water them all the time and they grow. So this arguement about needing the sun incorrect anyway. You only need a light source and water. Both of which God provided before the vegetation.

  Last arguement is about the flood and that waters cannot have reached as high as the tallest peak? Well, you yourself claim that this is "probably" did not happen, yet you provide no postive proof that it did not. Your are making an assumption therefore. And since YOU are not providing any definate proof it could not be possible, I don't need to defend anything here.

  Perry,

  Great comments!
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  If God Truly Cared About People Wouldn't He DO SOMETHING By Now?

  by minimus in

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  i know what the witness response is to this but what do you say now?.

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  happyguy,

  I was not defending God at all, as if he needs me to defend him. I was simply trying to explain why I believe he does care and what I believe he has done to show he does.

  The point is this; this entire thread is off track at this point because of all the insulting and name calling. To expect to have an intelligent dialogue at this point is useless. I agree with minimus that both sides have been presented already. We simply will not agree. You think my responses are ridiculous, well the feeling is mutual.

  About my using peace, well that is not going to change. No matter if someone believes God exists or not, I do hope all people have peace in their lives. That is not me saying you don't have peace in yours. It is simply the way I have been signing off on this thread, in letters, and other ways for years now. But I will make a mental note to try not to end my posts to you with the word peace, if you find it insulting.

  Minimus,

  I will check out the thread on homesexuality but do not know if I have time to respond. We will see, Lilly
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  If God Truly Cared About People Wouldn't He DO SOMETHING By Now?

  by minimus in

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  i know what the witness response is to this but what do you say now?.

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  lovelylil2

  Minimus,

  You are entitled to your opinion and do not have to accept my answer to your Q.

  Also as far telling me to stop counseling and that is fine but the same has to apply to your friend happyguy. Because he has given many here counsel about reading more, doing more research, taking a reading comprehension class etc.

  As far as people liking or not liking me on the forum it doesn't matter that much to me because I am probably not going to meet many of you in person anyway. I do have a few friends here that I personally know and I would be more concerned about their opinion of me then those who I will only meet online.

  In the future, I will be weary of threads like this. They are counterproductive.
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  If God Truly Cared About People Wouldn't He DO SOMETHING By Now?

  by minimus in

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  i know what the witness response is to this but what do you say now?.

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  lovelylil2

  Also I agree with minimus, I think both sides of the issue have at this point been completely given here and to continue is going to keep being counter productive.
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  If God Truly Cared About People Wouldn't He DO SOMETHING By Now?

  by minimus in

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  i know what the witness response is to this but what do you say now?.

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  lovelylil2

  Who are you to tell people their responses are nonsense? That is the point. A Q was asked and people responded from their perspective. God was placed in the Question, which was "If God truly cared about people, wouldn't he do something". So people responded to minimus' Q and gave their Christian response to show he has done something and continues to do so.

  But because you do not believe God is doing something, you keep saying their responses are nonsense. From their perspective, it is not nonsense. Who made you judge of what is true and not?

  While people were answering Minimus' original Q, you came along and tried to change the original topic altogether by making this discussion about "river blindness", If anything minimus should have put you back on track because the Q was not about river blindness specifically but was about If God cares, why hasn't he done anything to show he does care?

  This Q was answered over and over again by these responses by more than just myself and the answer is;

  he has done something to show he loves us and that was by sending his son to save mankind from all sin and the wages it pays which is death, (john 3:16), he has also with his spirit raised up believers to go into the world and help all the people who are suffering due to living in "this life", and we are to minister to them until the time of the new heavens and new earth we are awaiting. God has also made man Lord of the Earth and it is our responsbiblity to take care of it, and assist in getting rid of any problems on it, including river blindness. We have the medication to cure it completely and the WHO is in fact dispensing this medication to millions of people. Also the church is assisting with this and providing their own time and funds too. Hence in ALL these ways God has done something about suffering in general and about river blindness. Only you refuse to accept this because you refuse to accept God.

  You may be able to say I was ignorant about river blindness and that was true, but at least I went out and educated myself about this issue. But I will continue to say you are ignorant about God and what he is doing for mankind. So why don't you go out and educate yourself about that?

  I think my reading comprehension is just fine because I perfectly understood the original Q, however yours still seems to be lacking because you cannot seem to understand the basic answers to that simple Q. Peace, Lilly
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  If God Truly Cared About People Wouldn't He DO SOMETHING By Now?

  by minimus in

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  i know what the witness response is to this but what do you say now?.

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  lovelylil2

  Go back and read your own posts happyguy. You have called more than a few people here ignorant, uneducated, misinformed, lacking reading comprehension among other things. Plus you have used the F word once or twice too. Don't you think others will take those statements as attacks too?

  Why can't you just argue your points without putting someone down because they disagree? Or did you never learn how to do that?

  According to the rules of this forum, name calling, abusive speech and bad laguage is not acceptable. Does this only apply to Christians, or is this everyone?

  I tend to wonder.
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  Is the Bible Really Scientifically Accurate?

  by FreeAtLast1914 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the society (and others) love to quote job 26:7 where it says that "[god] suspends the earth over nothing" and isaiah 40:22, where it speaks of "the circle of the earth".

  they use these scriptures to boast about the incredible scientific accuracy of the bible, proving god had a direct hand in everything written in it.. the trouble is that elsewhere in the scriptures, opposing views are put forth explaining then-unexplainable physics and geographical notions.

  one is job 26:11: "the pillars of heaven tremble.

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  lovelylil2

  The bible is a faith book and not a science book. Its like comparing apples and oranges.