Others have already said it, but noisy eaters. I absolutely cannot stand it. I admit, somewhat shamefully, that I've gone so far as to ask family members to either quiet down or leave the table. It's so barbarous and revolting. Learning how to be polite at the table is a basic social expectation, and in my opinion one worth following.
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What's Your Pet Peeve?
by minimus ini've got a lot of them but i'll share one: drivers going well under the speed limit on a single road where you can't pass.. that drives me nuts!!!
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The spanking room
by dgp ini just got "the spanking room: a child's eye view of the jehovah's witnesses", by william coburn.
the author says that their old kingdom hall didn't have a spanking room, so the spanking took place in the ladies' room.
there was always a line, either for ladies wanting to make use of the toilet the way it was intended to be used, or for ladies waiting their turn to spank their children.
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We had a "diaper-changing room" in the ladies' restroom that was really nothing more than a spanking room. I spent some quality time there, usually for grave offenses like coughing during a prayer or asking to get a drink of water.
I used to get yelled at a lot for turning around and looking at the clock during meetings. We even had announcements from the podium about how looking towards the back of the Hall was disrespectful to the speaker and therefore to Jehovah, which I'm sure were provoked by children (and a few adults) like me who just couldn't take it anymore.
Every Witness I know is still adamant about spanking. "Spare the rod..." gets said way more than I care to hear.
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Do You Think "Religious" People Are Generally "Nicer" Than Non-Religious Ones?
by minimus inthere are many religious people in this world.
many that i know, are very friendly, accomodating and personable....because they're trying to act "christian".
the same applies to some observant jews that i know.
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Eh. Depends on the person, depends on the religion, depends on the culture. I know a lot of awful religious people and a lot of great religious people. It can't all come down to that.
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A polite invitation to Governing Body members
by dgp inin response to this thread (http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/196638/2/is-it-unacceptable-to-stand-up-for-jehovahs-witnesses-on-a-site-called-jehovahs-witness-net, i hereby motion to invite any governing body member, or all of them, to post on this site and debate.. elders reading this, won't you please be so kind as to transmit the invitation..
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If any of them have any Internet skills whatsoever, I'd be floored. It's their henchmen lurking here, not them.
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What's your personality type? Myers-Briggs test
by frankiespeakin intake this 72 yes/no question test to find out.. http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp.
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I've taken the test (the official one, not the Internet one) probably about a dozen times now and have never been anything but INTP. That's particularly surprising when you consider that I'm a woman, and it's (I believe still) the 2nd-rarest type for women. Beyond that, I am an extreme INTP, hardly registering any E, S, F, or J traits at all.
It makes total sense for me. I prefer to operate within my own mind/world, I'd rather miss the trees for the forest any day, I can't stand emotionally-driven decision-making, and I like life to be flexible. (I'm the person who answers "Yes" or "No" questions with "It depends"...because it usually does.) I like my INTP-ness. It works nicely for me.
Regarding all of the questions about the number of INTJs here: That's normal for message board dwellers, ex-JW or not. INTJs like to write, they like to be authoritative in sharing ideas/facts/experiences, they like to be the people with answers to give, they like to work through evidence and think about ideas...it all makes sense. INTPs are very much the same, except we're more comfortable than INTJs when it comes to working with the less concrete details of life. An INTJ, for example, is more likely to give a Scriptural citation for a post, while an INTP is comfortable summarizing something. INTJs demand precision with everything, so if you're a shade off, they'll be tempted to hold it against you. An INTP, meanwhile, will usually bite their tongue, even though they notice the inaccuracy, as long as the overall point is right. Otherwise, we're pretty much the same.
wow, lots of judgmental types here
It's important to remember that the "Judging" trait doesn't mean judgmental. It just means that they like structure, and Perceivers like flexibility. INTJs don't automatically "judge" everyone else in the sense of placing value judgments on others as people. They like their own lives to be very ordered, but it doesn't mean they think everyone else ought to live the same way. If anything, the legendary INTJ jerkiness comes more from the NT preference than anything else. All of us NTs have a tendency to consider ourselves smarter or better informed than others, largely because we often are due to the amount of research and thinking we do, so the J vs. P thing isn't what determines that.
If anyone wants to read the official description of each preference, here's the Myers-Briggs webpage on it.
And to you INFPs and INFJs -- you're my favorite types. :)
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Herbal remedies
by Ice cream inif in the beginning when god (supposedly) created adam & eve, with the prospect of eternal life without sickness etc.
why did he create plants with medicinal values that could treat sickness & ailments?
hope that makes sense.
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If you can keep them alive, you can keep re-inflicting them with torturous maladies. No mercy deaths, ye sinners!
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Do 'general' masons, understand what their symbology means?
by EndofMysteries inamong them and their associates, almost all are based on faces of cherubs, serpent as the god of healing, many things from solomon's temple.
i know those who continue to make them and use them, must have an idea of what they represent and the reason for them.
i don't know, if the general members have any clue or if they are just in it for their own reasons, the association, benefits, to help others, or to advance their life/career, etc.
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Oh dear lord, we just had a Rense citation here. Only a matter of time now before we get to learn about the UFOs controlling our minds, the government's plans to kill us through cell phone radiation, and the Satanic microchips the Jews will be installing in us all shortly.
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Restrictions on sanitation supplies at a$$emblies
by WTWizard innow that the grand boasting sessions are well under way, now is a good time to discuss what they are restricting on supplies there.
the "one towel" rule is quite famous by now.
however, i have heard scattered reports that they are rationing things like toilet paper as well.
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If funding is getting tight, why not have less assemblies?
Oh, you and your apostate logic. Doesn't everyone know that the solution is always to raise more, not spend less? Please, let's leave the running of cults to the professionals. ;)
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Do 'general' masons, understand what their symbology means?
by EndofMysteries inamong them and their associates, almost all are based on faces of cherubs, serpent as the god of healing, many things from solomon's temple.
i know those who continue to make them and use them, must have an idea of what they represent and the reason for them.
i don't know, if the general members have any clue or if they are just in it for their own reasons, the association, benefits, to help others, or to advance their life/career, etc.
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He had a Masonic wedding and my husband was a little upset because he didn't invite us to the wedding. Finally, the guy said he didn't invite us because we're Catholic.
That probably had a lot more to do with the individual than with the Freemasons. It's the Roman Catholic Church that is vehemently hostile towards Freemasons. Freemasons are critical of religion, of course, but they don't single out Catholics as a rule. The Freemasons absolutely accept Catholics -- I come from a long line of Catholic Freemasons -- but most Catholics don't want to join due to various papal pronouncements against the organization. In fact, as you probably know, the Church can officially deny communion to Catholics based solely on their membership in the Freemasons. So maybe this man's problem was due to the fact that your church is against what he believes in, and not some personal or organizational vendetta against Catholics.
As far as the symbolism goes, of course they know what they mean. That's why they picked them as representations to use in their practices. They're also told about the importance of the various symbols and stories as new initiates. (Not everything, of course, but it all comes in time.) That's how all groups work -- you join, you learn as you go on, and then you make evaluations once you have all of the info. That applies to religious groups, fraternal organizations, even colleges and workplaces.
Since they're expected to make their own interpretations and evaluations as they go along, most Freemasons are aware of the original intent behind Masonic symbolism but eventually develop their own understandings and meanings. That's to be expected of a group where everyone is expected to approach things intellectually, to question everything around them, and to achieve their own enlightenment through their own means.
It actually is somewhat reminiscent of Catholicism, in the sense that people know the original meanings but treat them in a more fluid manner now. For example, polls say that the majority of Catholics in the U.S. don't truly believe in transubstantiation, but they'll still take the wafer. You can respect a tradition or practice without thinking it's absolute truth.
Are there higher-ups who have all the juicy details and genuinely believe in the "crazy" stuff? Sure. Do I think those juicy details are earth-shattering? Nah. Most Freemasons are little old men hanging out together on weekends. I'm really not seeing them having a lot of success overthrowing the world in their tiny Shriner cars...
(Disclosure: I come from four long lines of active Masons/OES; my grandfather was 31°.)
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InOregon, PM me and I can help you out. I received a ton of merit scholarships while working on my AA and would be happy to help you.