Posts by maninthemiddle

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New YouTube video - the Governing Body uses the media (even though it's under Satan's influence)!

by cedars in

i've just uploaded a new video in my series of short films that examine some of the more outlandish remarks of governing body member anthony morris iii from the platform.

(before you ask, yes i do intend to move on to another governing body eventually, but i'm not done just yet!).

this latest video looks at the society's relationship with the media.

maninthemiddle

I am very interested in what Ceders thinks. He has been able to bring together much information that I otherwise would not have access to.

Thanks Ceders

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need your advice again, please

by outsmartthesystem in

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so here's the latest in my pathetic saga.

i've tried to fly under the radar for the past year, but it isn't working so well.

i've learned not to engage my wife in debates but rather to ask questions.

Your kids need to see the world is bigger that what they know now. Help them make friends outside the org, this will open them up to you, I believe when you show them there is more fun things to do that play meeting.

Regarding meeting with the elders, you may try meeting with two elders and include you wife in the discussion, make it a friendly meeting to discuss "something" then your wife can watch while they can't answer your questions. I think that if you go the letter to bethel route you will put them on the offence.

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 07-29-2012 WT Study (GLORIFY)

by blondie in

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help us to reflect gods glory?.

god and reflect his glory.

10 to reflect gods glory, we also need.

maninthemiddle

Blondie, that is why when somehting is found out and reported, usually behind someone back because they heard something through gossip, when they get turned in the call it jehovah's work.

No credit for the backstabbing gossipers.

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607 and 1914

by snowbird in

those are just symbols that indicate a numerical value, but to me, they mean much more than that.. my clock showed 6:07 as the time a few minutes ago, and i immediately thought of 607 bce.. a friend's address is 1914 neighbor road - guess what comes to mind.. crazy, isn't it?.

lol..

maninthemiddle

I used to use 1914 as pin numbers, I don't do that anymore, I laughed at myself everytime I used it.

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Introducing Mrs Cedars...

by cedars in

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i just thought you should know that mrs cedars has finally taken the plunge and joined the forum.

she was able to log on for the first time yesterday.. though we both "awakened" at different stages, mrs cedars was very supportive and non-judgmental when i first began exploring my beliefs from a critical standpoint.

she is currently in the process of reading crisis of conscience and aquainting herself with some of the facts of witness history that were hitherto unknown.

maninthemiddle

Welcome. We sure do like Mr Ceders around here, glad to have you here also.

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Question about reporting fellow JWs.

by maninthemiddle in

i have searched but not found an answer yet.

does anyone remember what scriptures they base reporting another person's "wrongdoing" to the elders?.

i put "wrongdoing" in quotes so i could user their term and you could be reported for anything.. i know they have used the scripture about going to the person first, that is rarely followed, i know it is common practice to tell on eachother, i just can't remember if they even pretend to make it scriptual.. thanks.

maninthemiddle

The WTS does not use Matthew 18 in regard to "sins" they consider worthy of df'ing...that is considered under the authority of the elders. They consider Matthew 18 to be problems between individuals.

That makes sense. Thanks.

Blindnomore.

I appreciate that. I am aware of the game. I am looking for for a reply to someone who I think is ratting on me.

datadog, recently a friend was asked to meet with the elders, but her husband i was supposed to come along. Just stupid.

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Question about reporting fellow JWs.

by maninthemiddle in

i have searched but not found an answer yet.

does anyone remember what scriptures they base reporting another person's "wrongdoing" to the elders?.

i put "wrongdoing" in quotes so i could user their term and you could be reported for anything.. i know they have used the scripture about going to the person first, that is rarely followed, i know it is common practice to tell on eachother, i just can't remember if they even pretend to make it scriptual.. thanks.

maninthemiddle

Thanks Bobcat. I had read barnes but I'm glad to see the others too.

Leviticus 5 is all about the guillt offering. nothing in the context can apply it in the way the WTS does.

It even reads to me like that verse may have been added on to the orgional writings. it just deosn't seem to fit the rest.

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Question about reporting fellow JWs.

by maninthemiddle in

i have searched but not found an answer yet.

does anyone remember what scriptures they base reporting another person's "wrongdoing" to the elders?.

i put "wrongdoing" in quotes so i could user their term and you could be reported for anything.. i know they have used the scripture about going to the person first, that is rarely followed, i know it is common practice to tell on eachother, i just can't remember if they even pretend to make it scriptual.. thanks.

maninthemiddle

YES!, Thank you Matthew was what I was looking for. Notably it says first go to the person, then it says go to the congreation, not simply to the "older men" or "elders".

Odd isn't it that that scrip isn't enven used at all in the pargagraphs that Blondie posted.

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Question about reporting fellow JWs.

by maninthemiddle in

i have searched but not found an answer yet.

does anyone remember what scriptures they base reporting another person's "wrongdoing" to the elders?.

i put "wrongdoing" in quotes so i could user their term and you could be reported for anything.. i know they have used the scripture about going to the person first, that is rarely followed, i know it is common practice to tell on eachother, i just can't remember if they even pretend to make it scriptual.. thanks.

maninthemiddle

Blondie, thanks for looking those up. As I suspected even though there are many scriptures listed none really apply. For an example I looked up the "presue Peace" article (the WOL is handy) and found that there really is no scriptual basis.

James 14 Is there anyone sick among YOU ? + Let him call the older men *+ of the congregation to [him], and let them pray over him, greasing [him] with oil + in the name of Jehovah. * 15 And the prayer of faith will make the indisposed one well, *+ and Jehovah * will raise him up. + Also, if he has committed sins, it will be forgiven him. +

1cor 9 What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? + Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, + nor idolaters, + nor adulterers, *+ nor men kept for unnatural purposes, + nor men who lie with men, *

Jeams 3:17 17 But the wisdom + from above is first of all chaste, + then peaceable, + reasonable, *+ ready to obey, full of mercy and good fruits, + not making partial distinctions, + not hypocritical. + 1

In context this scripture sounds more like being charged to not swear falsely under oath.

Blondie, Could you explain what this means?

Actually Lev. 5:1 is the scripture used a great deal considering it was applicable to the Jews.

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Question about reporting fellow JWs.

by maninthemiddle in

i have searched but not found an answer yet.

does anyone remember what scriptures they base reporting another person's "wrongdoing" to the elders?.

i put "wrongdoing" in quotes so i could user their term and you could be reported for anything.. i know they have used the scripture about going to the person first, that is rarely followed, i know it is common practice to tell on eachother, i just can't remember if they even pretend to make it scriptual.. thanks.

maninthemiddle

I found a mention, or course it is in Leviticus. This is from the YPA book. Not a place I had previously thought of looking.

Leviticus 5:1 . “‘Now in case a soul + sins in that he has heard public cursing *+ and he is a witness or he has seen it or has come to know of it, if he does not report + it, then he must answer for his error.