Posts by Larsinger58

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Why WT translates Parousia as "Presence" and not "Coming" (Matt. 24:3)?

by ProfCNJ in

wt had translated "parousia" as presence instead of "coming".

it has explained time and again that in 1914, jesus came invisibly and since then, we are living in the last days under his invisible presence.. now i was a bit puzzled if that would really be the appropriate translation after reading matthew 28:19, 20.. 19 "therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit,20and teaching them to obey everything i have commanded you.

and surely i am with you always, to the very end of the age.".

Larsinger58

the parousia is likened to the days of Noah and so begin 120 years before the end of the 1914-generation of 80 years. The parousia officially began in 1874, a generation of 120 years from 1874-1994. The generation Jesus focussed on that began with a world war begins in 1914 and lasts 80 years from 1914-1994.

Christ's actual coming occurs 45 years after the Jews come out of exile. The end of Jewish exile occurred on November 30, 1947; this ends the "1290 days". The "1335 days" end 45 years later in 1992.

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The two-tiered Christian system. WHY?!

by DATA-DOG in

the wtbts asserts that the great crowd of [ other sheep ] teaching arose as an answer to the confusion of the rank-and-file, correct?

what confusion?

does anyone know any specifics?

Larsinger58

The two-tier system is legit. The parable of the vineyard workers confirms workers hired after the third hour were not told they would receive the "penny" which is the invitation to heaven. The workers work for 11 hours, each hour is 7 years, thus 7 years from 1914-1991. The third-hour workers appear after 21 years. 1914 + 21 = 1935. This reflects the two-tier system among JWs where the original members all are of the anointed and have the heavenly hope; these are promised the penny in advance. The other workers from the 3rd through the 11th are told they will get whatever is fair, thus they expect something less; obviously, the earthly hope.

BUT....

Note that after the work is done, ALL the workers are given the penny. Thus the "other sheep" after Christ's return during the 12th hour (1991-1998) are now invited into the heavenly class -- if they are awake and they qualify. So the 2-tier system is just temporary.

Even so, many fail to qualify. The heavenly class are king-priests but there still is an earthly class.

The 144,000 are natural Jews, the remnant of Abraham's seed who fulfill the covenant. They make up 1/10th of the whole tree, the other 90% being gentiles (Isa. 6:13)

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My Letter to Brooklyn about the Parousia that got me disfellowshipped

by cofty in

this is the letter i wrote back in '96 about the parousia.

following the '95 watchtower that disconnected the "generation" from 1914 i began to look carefully at end-time prophecy and soon discovered what i knew were basic errors in what i had been taught.. i was a loyal jw at the time and was still serving as an elder.

i used only watchtower publications in my research.

Larsinger58

COFTY:

Lars please keep your long rambling nonsense for your own threads.

LARS:

Sorry. I sure will. I respect you. I won't post on your thread.

But, really, I was impressed with your focus and was just trying to help you fill in the blanks.

I've come to the point of confrontation with others and we have agreed not to post on each others' threads, so I will gracefully cease.

Have a great day! I wish you the best.

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144,000 virgins?

by zound in

Larsinger58

JEFFRO:

Larsinger58:

the "mark of the beast" relates to a core doctrine in the mysteries which is white supremacy. (666=KKKay)

Larsinger58 has reached a new low.

LARS:

Jeffro, you're very intelligent. So let me tell you this. The Illuminati talk about these "reptillian" people who are so smart. In Eden, the snake was the "most cautious" and thus wisest of the beasts and was selected by Satan to do his dirty work. So those in the mysteries focus and honor the snake and reptile. But even though the snake was a pawn of Satan, it got punished. Therefore, there was "collateral damage" ascribed to the snake for just being there. It is much like we today will kill a pony that throws a child and kills it. If a pony or some other animal ends up killing a human, then we put that animal down, even if it was not a vicious attack. So by Satan choosing the snake to cause mankind to sin is like a pony throwing a child, so the snake was punished simply by association with this catastrophe. The snake was made to eat dust. Thus its glory was taken from it.

On a spiritual level, the serpent represents the wise people in the world, meaning white people. The snake eating dust thus repesents that they would be excluded from the 144,000. But that doesn't mean white people are excluded from the kingdom!! They are certainly accepted among the gentiles who make up 90% of the kingdom. But this has to do with the "mark of the beast" which is a corruption of believing that somehow whites are superior to non-whites. Of course, if you're not white, you can't become a white supremacist. So that guarantees their "virginity" in regards to the "mark of the beast."

Embarrassing, but that's the way it is.

If you're beautiful, you are susceptible to vanity. If you're not so beautiful, that's not a problem.

Wake up! Jeffro! God didn't choose a gay black messiah to have you miss the point!

A letter from Larry Wilson of "Wake Up, America!"

http://www.wake-up.com/daystar/Ds1996/DEC96A.html

I'm not the one in denail, Jeffro, YOU are. I'm not the one who needs a psychiatrist.

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My Letter to Brooklyn about the Parousia that got me disfellowshipped

by cofty in

this is the letter i wrote back in '96 about the parousia.

following the '95 watchtower that disconnected the "generation" from 1914 i began to look carefully at end-time prophecy and soon discovered what i knew were basic errors in what i had been taught.. i was a loyal jw at the time and was still serving as an elder.

i used only watchtower publications in my research.

Larsinger58

ANOTHER TECHNICAL NOTE: LIGHTNING

YOU SAID:

As Jesus passed through Samaria for the last time he said "even as the lightening by its flashing shines from one part under heaven to another part under heaven so the son of man will be" Luke 17:22

In these and in other references to his return there is nothing that would cause the disciples to ask for signs so that they could discern when Jesus would be invisibly present.

Since Jesus had used language like coming in the glory of his father with the angels and spoken of being like lightening shining from one horizon to the other is it really likely that the disciples meant what we have assumed them to mean when they asked "what will be the sign of your parousi'a?"

LARS:

You are confusing the brightness of lightning with his glory. No can do. Please note, therefore, that Jesus' reference to lightning, while it does shine from horizon to horizon is very SHORT! It's just a flash. Christ arrives "in the clouds" which means privately. That is, even though he is visible and physical, he is not in the open for the most part. He's there, but you can't see him, much like you can hear a jet plane in the clouds but you can't see the jet. But lightning comes out of the clouds and can be seen for miles around, but only for a split second!

So what Jesus was telling his disciples is that his followers while not seeing him in person for the majority of the time, for a brief point in time, he would become a public figure and could be seen over a very wide area. That is, he would come out of the clouds and make a brief public appearance and could be seen in a very wide area. But after that brief appearance, he would vanish again into privacy into the clouds.

In addition, when they saw him they would 'beat themselves in lamentation" over him. This means that when he does make this public appearance, he will be a carcass, spiritually dead. So this means his public appearance would not be after he returns to God's house and God's favor, but during the time he is cast out of God's favor and spiritually dead. Thus when they see him, they mourn over him.

The fulfillment of this part of the prophecy takes place due to the modern invention of television! Sounds corny, but that's how you can be seen over a vast area for a flash of time like lightning. So this person who becomes the Christ in 1992 did appear on international television on two shows: "The Gong Show" and "20/20", each time dressed as a woman. So all seeing him would mourn over him since if he was dressed as a woman he would still be in a spiritually dead state.

In the meantime, Christ coming on the clouds with great glory and with his angels is more associated with the actual 2nd coming. That is, when the prodigal son returns and becomes the Christ and Christ returns to a fleshly form via this individual. So his appearance like "lightning" is specifically not to be associated with the brightness of his GLORY at the time of the second coming. The emphasis on the lightning, therefore, is not its brightness, but its briefness! During his appearance like lightning, the elect mourn over him; that's not glorious, it's shameful. When he arrives at the second coming, he has returned to spiritual life and acceptance by God and when the Christ in heaven and this individual become one, then that is glorious and that is a time of great rejoicing, not mourning.

So in summary, the messiah does return in the flesh and does lead a private life for the most part except for one brief moment in time when he appears on television and can be seen by all the elect. This fulfills his appearing like lightning, which is bright but brief. Even so, when he is seen, it is during his prodigal son phase and he appears at a time when he is considered to be spiritually dead, he is a disfellowshipped JW at the time, appearing in drag. Thus when he is seen at this time, the elect who know he's the messiah mourn over him and his spiritual death.

So in relation to the parousia, the messiah does appear in the flesh, but "in the clouds" meaning he is a private individual and doesn't start a public movement. He is unseen for the most part except for a very brief time when he can be seen by the public which is made possible by two television appearances. But after that, he returns to a private life away from the public and thus "in the clouds." His appearance like lightning is thus not his moment of glory which occurs at the time of the actual second coming. He is born in early 1950 but doesn't combine with Christ in heaven until December 25, 1992. So for a period of time, there are actually two messiahs and you have to figure out which messiah the Bible is talking about separately or when combined!

You've come this far to understand scripture and realize the WTS doesn't have it right -- you may as well go all the way. The Bible is true and everything is fulfilled, just not the way most people would imagine.

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My Letter to Brooklyn about the Parousia that got me disfellowshipped

by cofty in

this is the letter i wrote back in '96 about the parousia.

following the '95 watchtower that disconnected the "generation" from 1914 i began to look carefully at end-time prophecy and soon discovered what i knew were basic errors in what i had been taught.. i was a loyal jw at the time and was still serving as an elder.

i used only watchtower publications in my research.

Larsinger58

Or just as the disciples were asking Jesus how they would know when the destruction of Jerusalem was close, and when the conclusion of the system of things was imminent is it not logical to conclude that they also were asking for signs to indicate when Jesus parousi'a or royal visit was due to begin?

Another technical note for your Cofty. Matthew and Mark speak of the "great tribulation" as mentioned by Daniel. Luke never mentions Daniel. It is very important, therefore, to recognize that the "great tribulation" of Daniel is an event that occurs during the end times and is a one-time event and thus has nothing to do with the fall of Jerusalem in 70 CE. Therefore, please note that Luke's mention of the fall of Jerusalem is placed before the events mentioned in connection with the last generation. Here is that reference:

LUKE 21: 10 Then he went on to say to them: “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; 11 and there will be great earthquakes, and in one place after another pestilences and food shortages; and there will be fearful sights and from heaven great signs.

12 “But before all these things people will lay their hands upon YOU and persecute YOU, delivering YOU up to the synagogues and prisons, YOU being haled before kings and governors for the sake of my name. 13 It will turn out to YOU for a witness. 14 Therefore settle it in YOUR hearts not to rehearse beforehand how to make YOUR defense, 15 for I will give YOU a mouth and wisdom, which all YOUR opposers together will not be able to resist or dispute. 16 Moreover, YOU will be delivered up even by parents and brothers and relatives and friends, and they will put some of YOU to death; 17 and YOU will be objects of hatred by all people because of my name. 18 And yet not a hair of YOUR heads will by any means perish. 19 By endurance on YOUR part YOU will acquire YOUR souls.

20 “Furthermore, when YOU see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. 21 Then let those in Ju·de´a begin fleeing to the mountains, and let those in the midst of her withdraw, and let those in the country places not enter into her; 22 because these are days for meting out justice, that all the things written may be fulfilled. 23 Woe to the pregnant women and the ones suckling a baby in those days! For there will be great necessity upon the land and wrath on this people; 24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled."

Thus the fall of Jerusalem is not part of the signs of the parousia or the last generation. Now there is a parallel between what happened to Jerusalem and what happens during WWII. The "disgusting thing in a holy place" in each case is a foreign army attacking the Jews. When the great tribulation takes place, which is before the Jews are restored to their homeland and thus while they are in exile, means the "holy city" and "Judea" are where the Jews have resettled in exile. Warsaw, Poland is by far the city of the highest concentration of Jews in exile at the time of WWII, thus it becomes the "holy city" or anti-typical Jerusalem. The Nazi army, much like the Roman army, literally surrounded Warsaw, Poland with huge tanks and bombarded the city. After that, the Jewish ghettos in Warsaw and other cities were sealed off and then liquidated. So there was a brief time to escape and flee from the cities into the wilderness and the mountains.

I bring this up because if you get serious about the parousia and just when it occurred and you think that the fall of Jerusalem is part of that last generation, then it confuses things! That's why it is very important to note that Matthew nor Mark reference the fall of Jerusalem, only Luke, and Luke excludes the fall of Jerusalem from the signs of the last days, but places that event before the parousia. Thus the parousia is not part of events occurring in Jesus' time, but way into the future.

Now the year of the 2nd coming is set by chronology prophesies of Daniel. What the disciples were asking were for more details in regards to Jesus' return and the "end of the system of things" which means the end of the "appointed times of the nations" which meant when the Jews would have their homeland restored.

In this regard, Jesus' reference to the growing tender of a fig tree was a direct response to that question. The fig tree represented the new State of Israel being set up and the appearance of the messiah would occur shortly after that. That is, when they see the new State of Israel being set up then the messiah's appearance would be "close at the doors." When Jesus arrives at the 2nd coming, he uses the body of the prodigal son, an ordinary man. This does not take place until 45 years after the "end of the gentile times" which ends 1290 days and thus ends in 1947. Christ fulfills the "1335 days" which is 45 years later and thus, again, 1992. BUT, the "sign of the son of man" begins to appear when this person is born. This person is born then undergoes 40 years of testing, during which time he leaves his god and faith and becomes the prodigal son before returning, just before the 70th week, which is 1989-1996. So the messiah must be born 40 years earlier meaning around 1949-1950. So when the Bible says he is "near at the doors" shortly after the State of Israel is set up, that is specifically fulfilled since he was born in January of 1950 and the State of Israel was set up in the Spring of 1948.

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My Letter to Brooklyn about the Parousia that got me disfellowshipped

by cofty in

this is the letter i wrote back in '96 about the parousia.

following the '95 watchtower that disconnected the "generation" from 1914 i began to look carefully at end-time prophecy and soon discovered what i knew were basic errors in what i had been taught.. i was a loyal jw at the time and was still serving as an elder.

i used only watchtower publications in my research.

Larsinger58

Was Jesus here saying that the appearance of wars, famine and earthquakes should be taken as evidence that his parousi'a had begun? or is it not the case that the emphasis of his words in verse 4 through 8 are that his followers should not overreact to the appearance of such signs. They should not pay heed to those who say at this point "The due time has approached".

Here's a technical note for you, Cofty. Wars and reports of wars should be taken separately from the other signs. The generation that would see these signs during his parousia would begin with "nation against nation and kingdom against kingdom." Thus "wars and reports of wars" is in contrast to "nation against nation and kingdom against kingdom." What Christ was saying was to ignore the regular small-time wars that would happen throughout generations prior to the generation of the second coming. But when you see "nation against nation and kingdom against kingdom" then is when that generation would begin -- that is, when a WORLD WAR takes place. Thus that generation would begin with a world war. After that world war, then the other signs would also take place. So regular wars were to be ignored, but not the other signs that occur after a world war takes place. In your statement, you are not distinguishing "reports of wars" meaning usual conflicts between individual nations from "nation against nation and kingdom" which is a reference to a conflict involving multiple nations. Thus the disciples were told not to take note when they hear of regular wars here and there, but to take note when there is a world war, after which the other signs would take place.

Thus the very first sign of that last generation would be a world war and that's why we can begin the last generation of 80 years in 1914.

Now I'll just note this for the record in regards to the chronology. Secular history dates the fall of Jerusalem in 587 BCE and fall of Babylon in 539 BCE. The WTS loosely follows the Bible that introduces a 70-year period of desolation of the land to pay back its sabbaths which they date from the fall of Jerusalem to the return of the Jews from Babylon in 537 BCE. They quote from Josephus regarding this 70-year period, only Josephus dates those 70 years of servitude from the last deportation in year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar II. Josephus' reference is consistent with the Bible's reference to when these 70 years takes place. So the Bible and secular history (except for Josephus) are in conflict. The Bible's NB Period is some 26 years longer than reflected in the secular records. So you have some options here as far as the "7 times" prophecy. Based on the above, the 2nd coming is dated in either 1914 or 1934.

But others, like Martin Anstey interpret the "70 weeks" prophecy as being fulfilled in the 1st of Cyrus. This prophecy begins when the "word goes forth to rebuild Jerusalem" which links to the reference to Cyrus rebuilding Jerusalem and the temple. If that's the case, then 455 BCE should date the 1st of Cyrus. Martin Anstey reached this conclusion which means he believed that the Persian Period was thus 82 years too long, since the 1st of Cyrus should be dated to 455 BCE rather than 537 BCE. Now is that what the Bible truly represents? Was Martin Anstey correct? Maybe, maybe not. But there is no way to harmonize the Bible's timeline for this period with that of secular history, so you have to make a choice. But in passing, if you date the 1st of Cyrus to 455 BCE as Anstey does, then calculate 70 years back to the last deportation, as Josephus requires, then year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar II would fall in 525 BCE and his 19th year in 529 BCE. That means you have another potential date for the 2nd coming based strictly on the Bible in 1992.

Those are the options: 1914, 1934 or 1992. However, when we contrast those dates with the events, only 1992 works. Why? Because the messiah doesn't appear until after the State of Israel is set up and not until after the "great tribulation." The great tribulation is a reference to a one-time event that never happened before nor would happen again with the focus on Daniel's people, the holy ones. Daniel talks about "dashing the holy ones to pieces" during this great tribulation (Daniel 12:7)

"And as soon as there will have been a finishing of the dashing of the power of the holy people to pieces, all these things will come to their finish.”

In other words, the "great tribulation" was part of the punishment of the Jews for leaving God's covenant. They were to suffer exile and while in exile be subject to persecution during the "appointed times of the nations," which would climax in this one-time event of the great tribulation, after which all this would end and they would be restored to their homeland and God's favor.

Now Armageddon is not going to kill of any righteous people. Armageddon is not going to kill off any "chosen ones" in the kingdom. So these "chosen ones" who are going to be killed is not a reference to faithful Christians but to the natural Jews. It is the natural Jews who are almost completely exterminated during this "great tribulation" requiring the days to be cut short so that at least a remnant of them are saved. This one-time event just before the Jews are restored to their homeland was the HOLOCAUST. Even so, it is not until after this great tribulation takes place as one of the critical signs of this last generation that the messiah appears. You don't see the "sign of the son of man" appearing until after the great tribulation. Further, he is said to be "near at the doors" when the fig tree starts to grow tender, that is, when the State of Israel is newly established. Based on that, neither 1914 nor 1934 can be considered the date of the 2nd coming.

But now, we get a break in the chronology due to the VAT4956. This text has two lines (lines 3 and 14) that do not match 568 BCE for year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar II. These mismatches have always been noted by scholars, but never compared until recently. When compared, the lunar positions in both lines match the same lunar cycle occurring in 511 BCE, suggesting that 511 BCE was the original year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar II. If so, then year 19 falls in 529 BCE, which would, in turn, date the 2nd coming in 1992 but also confirm that 455 BCE must have been the original year for the 1st of Cyrus.

Meaning what? Meaning if you follow the chronology of the signs and date the 2nd coming near the end of that generation and definitely after the great tribulation and the new State of Israel being set up, then you have to fix the ancient popular timeline. Except now, because of the VAT4956, you don't have any options to pick and choose dates based on various interpretations of scripture. The WTS has always said that when there is a conflict between secular and the Bible, they choose the Bible. I agree with that as well. But the secular date for year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar II that must be compared with the bible's timeline is now 511 BCE, not 568 BCE; the VAT4956 confirms 568 BCE is the revised date. So for a second there is a little concern that the Bible might contradict this superior secular reference to the dating of the Neo-Babylonian Period, but just for a moment. That's because when the 1st of Cyrus is dated to 455 BCE, then year 23 of Neb2 falls in 525 BCE, which in turn means year 37 falls in 511 BCE as the VAT4956 confirms.

So when you do the hard work and get real about the facts, the Bible prophecies work out. 1992 occurs before the end of that generation of 1914 ending in 1994. So when you have the right interpretation and the right facts of ancient history, then the Bible is fulfilled precisely. The 2nd coming comes near the very end of the parousia just as the dignitary in a procession arrives last; that's the point of reference for Christ's parousia. The last generation begins with a world war and ends with the 2nd coming, that's the basics. In the meantime you have a great tribulation, which was the Holocaust and the "end of the gentile times" allowing the new State of Israel to be set up. All that occurs just as the Bible prophesied.

Cofty, you've gone to the trouble to distinguish what's in the Bible and what the WTS teaches. So finish your research. Determine if the Bible is true or not when correctly interpreted. Be just as critical of secular sources as you are of the WTS.

Regards

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Numbers don't lie :The End of JESUS...

by raymond frantz in

(1john2:22,23)who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that jesus is the christ?

this is the antichrist, the one that denies the father and the son.

23 everyone that denies the son does not have the father either.

Larsinger58

You know, the WTS emphasizes Jehovah and I came out of that system. I don't really mind that reference. Jehovah forces everybody to bow down to Jesus, but then Jesus bows down to Jehovah. Jesus is into Jehovah.

But maybe the WTS thinks they can skip over Jesus to get to Jehovah. Not going to happen. Jehovah forces them to recognize Jesus. You can't get in except through the door God has provided, which is Jesus.

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My Letter to Brooklyn about the Parousia that got me disfellowshipped

by cofty in

this is the letter i wrote back in '96 about the parousia.

following the '95 watchtower that disconnected the "generation" from 1914 i began to look carefully at end-time prophecy and soon discovered what i knew were basic errors in what i had been taught.. i was a loyal jw at the time and was still serving as an elder.

i used only watchtower publications in my research.

Larsinger58

Cofty, thanks for posting this.

In actual fulfillment, the parousia of Christ should follow the concept of the arrival of a dignitary. Dignitaries arrived in the city in a long entourage, where everyone in the entourage arrived first ahead of the dignitary and the dignitary arrived last. So "parousia" in relation to "arrival" would mean the events preceding the actual arrival. Thus that is what the disciples were asking about: What would be the events leading up to his actual arrival and thus the events of the parousia? They were asking what would they be seeing just prior to his arrival?

On a spiritual level, basically, there would have to be some preparatory work that would take place before Christ's arrival when he would harvest the elect. This would include a special preaching work to take place before his arrival. So the beginning of his parousia is linked with when "Michael stands up" (Daniel 12:1). That is, Jesus would remain relatively inactive in world affairs and in relation to his coming until a generation prior to that arrival. So his actual parousia, likened to the days of Noah, would begin a generation of 120 years prior to his actual arrival. Thus the beginning of Christ's parousia occurred in 1874, 120 years of a generation from 1874-1994. Another generation concept is linked to 1914, a generation of 80 years from 1914-1994. These are periods of his parousia. His actual arrival, though, that is, the actual 2nd coming would take place near the very end of this generation but prior to its end. Christ's actual 2nd coming based on Jerusalem's fall in 529 BCE would occur in 1992-1993. That is a date just prior to the end of a generation ending in 1994.

"Presence" is a poor translation of that term. The term actually means the events surrounding "para" his coming, not his actual coming. I don't know of any English word that would reflect what this means other than "pre-arrival." "Para" means around or "near. Such as the term "paramedic" or "paralegal" refers to those who are not actually medics or legals, but near or close to those professionals. When it came to the arrival of a dignitary, though, that term more specifically referred to the procession leading up to the arrival of the dignitary and thus the events just before his actual arrival. Christ's paraousia is related to 120 years from 1874-1994, with his actual arrival occuring prior to 1994 but close to 1994. Jesus arrived on December 25, 1992.

Sorry you were kicked out for THINKING! But that too was prophesied! The "evil slave" would beat his fellow slaves when they did not follow blindly everything they said. But the GB itself was "disfellowshipped" on November 10, 1992 from God's heavenly organization. A letter was sent to them on this date explaining this to them. They are now apostate and cast out.

Finally, just in case you didn't catch this in any of my other posts, the "end of the system of things" is not a reference to Armageddon but to the end of the gentile times. Thus the "conclusion of the system of things" or the "end of the age" of the gentile times did indeed occur during Christ's parousia of 1874-1994 on November 30, 1947 when the Jews officially came out of exile and the gentile times officially ended. This was the end of the "system of things" or age that the Jews of the 1st Century were currently under and that would continue after the destruction of Jerusalem.

The "sign of the son of man" is an image seen in the clouds by the elect of a dead black child messiah's face. It began to appear when the person chosen to be the physical Christ at the sescond coming was born. The WTS is very aware of this sign appearing to the elect and represents that sign in their cryptic artwork in the 1984 "Revelation" book. So the WTS has been holding out and is full of deception. (see below)

Thanks for sharing your experience/ What the WTS is teaching is one thing, but for those who actually want to know the true fulfillment, the light is now available!

face in hand

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144,000 virgins?

by zound in

Larsinger58

Actually, the "women" here is a reference to Babylon the Great and those women, prostitutes, connected with the ancient mysteries. To be "virgins" in regard to not being defiled by any of the pagan concepts, that is the "mark of the beast" relates to a core doctrine in the mysteries which is white supremacy. (666=KKKay)

The 144,000 are all natural Jews. To fulfill the covenant with Abraham, even though the Israelites were punished and cast out, a remnant, a root was still to be part of the kingdom and this would be 1/10th of the entire whole (Isa 6:13).

"Isa 6:13 And there will still be in it a tenth, and it must again become something for burning down, like a big tree and like a massive tree in which, when there is a cutting down [of them], there is a stump; a holy seed will be the stump of it.”

Now, how would 12,000 from each tribe of Israel be around during the last days? The only way that was possible would be for some from the 1st Century to never die and live down to modern times and at some point to marry into indigenous populations around the world to reconstitute the 12 tribes of Israel. That is, by the time Christ arrives in 1992, there would be a million or so descendants of those in the 1st Century who never died who could prove their linage connection to the 12 tribes. This fulfills Isa 60:22:

ISA 60: 22 The little one himself will become a thousand, and the small one a mighty nation. I myself, Jehovah, shall speed it up in its own time.”

That is, there would be a time when basically "nobodies" of any significance in the 12 tribes would be chosen to become a nation.

Having said that, since the mysteries were linked to white supremacy, to avoid any of the new 12 tribes of Israel from these individuals from the 12 tribes from being corrupted in any way with beliefs of white supremacy, it was decided that the new 12 tribes of Israel would be generated among non-white indigenous peoples. Bottom line is, you can't be a white supremacist unless you're actually white. That doesn't mean whites are excluded from the kingdom, it just means none of the 144,000 making up the natural Jewish 1/10th of the kingdom would be from among non-whites assuring they were not influenced by pagan mysteries which focus on the white nations. So in that sense, they remain "virgins" as far as being defiled by any pagan concepts relating to white supremacy.

I know this is sensitive, but that's the actual fulfillment. The 12 tribes of Israel now actually exist again based on descendants of one or more persons from the 1st Century who never died. Tbhey cannot be defiled by "women" who promote white supremacy because none of them are white. If the 144,000 make up 1/10th, of course, then the entire number in the kingdom is 1,440,000.

So take it or leave it, that's how they are "virgins", undefiled by a core element of the mysteries, which is teaching that whites are superior to any other race.

So that's basically what that means. The newly constituted 12 tribes of Israel all come from non-white peoples. This prevents them from being corrupted by any adoption of racial superiority linked to being white and thus they are all virgins in that regard.

Now I know this is touchy, so I don't plan to elaborate on this, but that's the actual fulfillment for any who were actually wondering. This is not a point of a discussion. It's a point of fulfillment.