Posts by Larsinger58

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Question about WT article about ancient city of Tyre

by EndofMysteries in

wt 59 page 312.

"true to the prophecy, not long after the fall of jerusalem, the king of babylon came against tyre.

but tyre was confident.

Larsinger58

Calculating the jubilees is easy. Remember the 70 weeks begin the 1st of Cyrus, a period of 490 years, which is 10 jubilee periods of 49 years each. The jubilee, which is the 50th year after 49 is celebrated on the 1st year of the next 49.

Based on that, if 455 BCE is a jubilee year, then we can easily calculate the jubilee years prior to this. Two jubilees prior dates a Jubilee in 553 BCE which falls in the 30th year of Josiah.

If you count 19 jubilees, 931 years, you get the Exodus occurring on a jubilee year in 1386 BCE. This is confirmed by 1947 which is also a jubilee year, the beginning of the 70th jubilee period of 49 years. That means 70 jubilees (3430 years) ends in 1996

3430 - 1996 = 1434 + 1 = 1435 BCE.

The Exodus would be the first celebrated jubilee in the 50th year after this, thus

1435 - 49 = 1386 BCE.

Thus the Exodus in 1386 BCE, the return from Babylon in 455 BCE and the final restoration from exile in 1947 AD all fall on the 1st year of a jubilee period of 49 years. The only other Biblical jubilee would be during the 15th year of Hezekiah in 651 BCE.

I wasn't able to reconcile any of the Talmudic jubilees provided by Leolaiae. But as noted, it is good to know the various references for comparison. Thanks Leolaia!

LS

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A thought provoking video that says allot about the Watchtower Corporation

by The Almighty Homer in

here's a video that has something real to say about the wts corporation and the jws .. it hits at the heart of what many jw children may feel being a jw.. being enslaved to corruption is never a good thing is it ?.

the wts truly indoctrinates people into mental illness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bswne-apeim&feature=fvw.

Larsinger58

Great video. It resonates for us who have escaped!

But those inside are NON-THINKERS primarily so they are as happy as can be having found the "true religion."

People who think and who are honest feel the oppression. Those with empty minds feel nothing but the superficial.

LS

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Question about WT article about ancient city of Tyre

by EndofMysteries in

wt 59 page 312.

"true to the prophecy, not long after the fall of jerusalem, the king of babylon came against tyre.

but tyre was confident.

Larsinger58

This is simple math. If the 11th year of Zedekiah, representing the exile of Jehoichin since it would have begun at the very end of the EIGHTH year, there just as there is an 8-year difference between the rule of Zedekiah and Nebuchadnezzar, at one point, by some calculation, this same 8-year difference could apply to the exile of Jehoichin. Now watch this.

Babylon falls in the 19th year per the Bible which is the 11th year of Zedekiah. That's an 8-year difference. That means at least by the summer, Zedekiah's 1st year fell in the 9th year of Nebuchadnezzar. You see, there an 8-year difference between year 1 and year 9, the same as there is an 8-year difference between year 11 and year 19.

Now, the only reason for the confusion is revisionism during the Persian Period, when the events of the accession year of Neb2 and his first year were combined. Thus the Babylonian Chronicle consistently is one year earlier than the Biblical record. That is, it shows Jehoiachin deported in the seventh rather than the eighth year. This is simply a contradiction between the revised Babylonian timeline and the original Biblical timeline.

We have records of the number of people deported in several of these deportations and there was a 7th year deportation which took Ezekiel. Jehoiachin was not deported until the very END of the 8th year which makes the 1st year of his exile fall primarily in the NINTH year of Neb2. If that's the case, there is an 8-year difference between exile year 1 and 9th year Neb2. We see that, by Zedekiah's parallel rule in comparison to year 11 of Zedeiah and year 19 of Nebuchadnezzar.

Simple math.

The NB period was reduced by 26 years. We know that because Josephus counts a 70-year period from the last deportation, year 23 to the 1st of Cyrus. Compared to Babylonian records, this is 25-26 years too long. Thus one of the reductions in the NB kings was removing 2 years from Neb2 making his rule 43 years rather than 45 years. But if there is an 8-year difference between the 37th year of exile, when Neb2 died and his rulership, then you just add 8 years to 37 and you get 45, not 43.

So there is a simple choice here. Go with Josephus and the Biblical timeline, or be fooled by Persian Period generated revised Babylonian records.

LS

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What do you feel God wants you to do at this moment in time?

by EndofMysteries in

open question, please list scriptures that give you that direction or what you base your answer upon.

i know there are so many different viewpoints on this forum, it will be interesting for all to see them and what scriptures or reasoning they are based on.. some examples are,.

do you feel only one needs to have love, faith in jesus, and those basics and that is what you must proclaim.. do you feel true knowledge must be taught to all, and as much as is known.

Larsinger58

We should learn as much as we can from the "those having insight" who obviously have to preach on YouTube and on the net. Examine what they teach by the scriptures. Iv'e found that some have one or two true gems of light in the midst of maintaining some false teachings. So what you do is take the light and ignore the rest.

Harold Camping is a perfect example. He confirms the end of the "church age"and points to 2011 AD as a significant year with regards the rapture and the end of the world. Now the details of 2011 AD may not be accurate but the date might be. Plus he still believes in the trinity. So apparently there is a mixture. Not every prophet has the WHOLE TRUTH but tiny stars of insight that the elect will recognize and coming from holy spirit and Jehovah.

It's strange and complex, but that's what is happening.

We can only think that those who are searching for the truth will find it.

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What do you feel God wants you to do at this moment in time?

by EndofMysteries in

open question, please list scriptures that give you that direction or what you base your answer upon.

i know there are so many different viewpoints on this forum, it will be interesting for all to see them and what scriptures or reasoning they are based on.. some examples are,.

do you feel only one needs to have love, faith in jesus, and those basics and that is what you must proclaim.. do you feel true knowledge must be taught to all, and as much as is known.

Larsinger58

You are worried. Don't be.

Basically follow what the Bible says. In the end times when Christ comes, he is like a prophet with the secretary's ink horn who goes through and marks those to be passed over. But then there is an interval of time before the actual destruction starts. That's what is happening now.

Basically, lots of people are just playing "wait and see" which is when they plan to make their move. But once it is clear the great tribulation has begun and the UN has taken over world authority, lots of people will then rush to get into God's kingdom, but it will be too late.

So for sure, since the Bible says

3 “And the ones having insight will shine like the brightness of the expanse; and those who are bringing the many to righteousness, like the stars to time indefinite, even forever.

4 “And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end. Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant.”

Is look for that light! It will be everywhere. Little bits of truth. How can individuals spread their light to the whole world? Easy. YouTube and the internet! Or else, how would they shine like stars seen by everyone? So the new Bible research area, while it lasts, should begin with YouTube! If you ask the right questions and are looking for the right thing, you will gain knowledge.

For instance, in general, there is a lot of hype about the end of the world in 2011 AD and 2012 AD. Actually both can be right because the great tribulation begins a 15-month rule by the UN before Armageddon actually takes place. We don't know how long Armageddon will be, the birds have to eat the flesh so people may die in shifts. So we can look at 2011-2012 as both being correct to cover the 15-20 months required to finally set up the millennium government.

So definitely get as much knowledge as you can because at one point we know the internet is going to be shut down, then you won't have freedom of speech or be able to research many things.

LS

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VERY DEEP QUESTIONS for elect/annointed/those with insight/holy spirit/etc

by EndofMysteries in

only need answer if you have already researched, come to an understanding, or have seen this and currently figuring it out.

if you have no idea what i'm talking about, then question doesn't apply to you as i feel it's information that is only understood at the right time and to those allowed to get understanding of it.. ***if you would like to give me some answers, but feel the information can't be posted publically or your restricted in whom to give it to, feel free to message me directly.

that's also why i am asking these questions in a way in which only you would understand, but i do not know how to find you otherwise.. .

Larsinger58

JUST TO ADD SOME CONTEXT TO WHAT IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

At one point, the WTS was the appointed "temple organization" but that would expire in 1996 anyway. It is no longer that temple organization and has become apostate. It is now "Babylon the Great" a lurking place of demons and uninspired demonic expressions. It is a wasteland of spiritual knowledge now, far from being the "spiritual paradise" they claim.

BUT HERE'S SOMETHING NEW!! While the "food at its proper time" might have come from the WTS up until 1996, now the "church age" has ended! Now as Joel says, holy spirit would be poured out upon all kinds of flesh, young and old, men and women!

Now think of that in the context of the WTS and GB. That is not how it operates. Thus this period of holy spirit begin given to all sorts of people is another confirmation there is no "true religion" or temple recognized now. The temple is now the spiritual temple being built.

Daniel 12 says those would insight

DANIEL 12v 3 and 4 "

3 “And the ones having insight will shine like the brightness of the expanse; and those who are bringing the many to righteousness, like the stars to time indefinite, even forever.
4 “And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end. Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant.”

This is NOW that time! And just how would a few individuals spread their light or be seen so as to enlighten many? The internet, especially YouTube! Also radio.

Harold Camping is clearly one of this ones with insight. He understoo the "church age" had ended in 1994. That is a very advanced concept and matches the end of the covenants for the Jews and JWs in 1996. He is now preaching no church but individual relationship with God! That's exactly right! The "church age" was appropriate for a while. It is the broad road leading in a general direction. But at some point it veers off into destruction and you must get off. You do that by taking the narrow patch of individual understanding of the Bible and develop a personal relationship with God. Organized religion cannot help you now, and Jehovah is not recognizing any formal temple organization, that is, JWs, after 1996.

LS

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Question about WT article about ancient city of Tyre

by EndofMysteries in

wt 59 page 312.

"true to the prophecy, not long after the fall of jerusalem, the king of babylon came against tyre.

but tyre was confident.

Larsinger58

CONCLUSION

So in conclusion, not being absolutely sure but having many options, if you take the Biblical history regarding Tyre, apparently it would have come under siege after the fall of Jerusalem and thus after the 19th of Nebuchadnezzar. The edict given in the 11th year of exile of Jehoiachin is exactly the same as the 11th year of Zedekiah, which means after the fall of Jerusalem. Of course, even the context of Tyre making fun of Jerusalem's fall confirms Jerusalem had already fallen and thus this is immediately afterward in his 19th year. Thus any statements that this is year 17 of Nebuchadnezzar are not correct, though that is a common misunderstanding and reflects the Babylonian revised timeline.

Second, since Tyre along with the other nations were to serve the same seventy years of desolated land and servitude at Babylon as the last deportees, these 70 years must have begun in year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar. Thus the siege of Tyre would not have lasted more the 3-4 years. In fact, if like Jerusalem, Tyre could have been breached in 3 years by year 22, but some of the poor people left there, perhaps to fish, like some poor people were left in Jerusalem after it fell. But during his last campaign in year 23, Nebuchadnezzar completely desolated the land of people and it remained so for 70 years.

In the meantime, Neb2 suffered his 7-year mania sometime between year 24 and year 31-36, as he was back on the throne and in another campaign against Egypt in year 37. Some think this was immediately on the heels of a 13-year siege. But we know the 13 years is likely cryptic for 3 years, just as 40 years for Niglassar is cryptic for 4 years. Thus the 13 years from year 7 relates to the history of the fall of Babylon, not Tyre. Further, God had his own specific time for punishing Egypt and that was not to be until the 37th year of Nebuchadnezzar. Of note there, Egypt was known to be up and running by the time Babylon fell, because they assisted the Babylonians against the Medes. The revised chronology cannot accommodate this 40-year desolation period, another indication the NB timeline was reduced.

See my new article on "Forty Years For Egypt.

LS

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Question about WT article about ancient city of Tyre

by EndofMysteries in

wt 59 page 312.

"true to the prophecy, not long after the fall of jerusalem, the king of babylon came against tyre.

but tyre was confident.

Larsinger58

Continued 1 C

When the revisions were made, 26 years are removed from the NB timeline. Josephus establishes a 70-year period from the last deportation to the 1st of Cyrus as does the Bible. The Bible also inserts a 6-year rule by Darius the Mede before Cyrus comes to the throne.

In the meantime, the Babylonian Chronicle was revised in an attempt to reduce these years. Besides removing 2 years for his actual reign, they combined events during his reign so that in the Babylonian Chronicle the events in the Bible are 1 year late. That is, per the Bible Jehoiachin is deported on the last day of year eight (2 Kings 24:12). There is no mistake here or special dating. Ezekiel was deported year 7, Jehoiachin at the end of year 8. Zedekiah thus would hae begun his reign parallel to year 9 of Nebuchadnezzar. Thus his year 11 matches year 19 of Nebuchadnezzar.

The Babylonian Chronicle, which was copied during the Persian Period combines the deportation from Judea of Daniel with the conflict with Necho, both occurring in his 1st year. But the Bible separates these events by a year, Daniel's deportation occurring in year 3 of Jehoiakim and the conflict with Necho in year 4.

At any rate, this well-established reduction would seem to be the reason why the fall of Jerusalem got moved back in secular records from year 19 to year 18, which is often reflected by Josephus, though a direct contradiction of the Bible. But the relevancy has to be taken into consideration when you add up the rulerships of Evil-Merodach (18), Niglassar (40) and Nabonidus 17, which gives you 75 years. 75 years is the interval from the 18th of Nebuchadnezzar until the 1st of Cyrus.

So Josephus is trying to be politically correct as much as possible, but provide cryptic timline confirmations of the original chronology. This is done by all the revisionists, such as Herodotus and Xenophon, especially when it comes to eclipses, where they consistently describe the original eclipse details in the context of the revised dating so that some critical eclipses anchoring the original timeline can be reestablished.

See CONCLUSION for Tyre

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Question about WT article about ancient city of Tyre

by EndofMysteries in

wt 59 page 312.

"true to the prophecy, not long after the fall of jerusalem, the king of babylon came against tyre.

but tyre was confident.

Larsinger58

DATE BCE	NABONIDUS	DARIUS THE MEDE	CYRUS	COMMENTS
480	1			HIROM
479	2
478	3
477	4
476	5
475	6		1
474	7		2	1
473	8		3	2
472	9		4	3
471	10		5	4
470	11		6	5
469	12		7	6
468	13		8	7
467	14		9	8
466	15		10	9
465	16		11	10
464	17		12	11
463	18		13	12
462	19 BABYLON FALLS		14	13 BABYLON(TYRE) FALLS IN YR 13
461		1	15	14 DTM BECOMES KING IN YR 14
460		2	16	15
459		3	17	16
458		4	18	17
457		5	19	18
456		6	20	19

Continued 1 B

54 years and 50 years are mentioned. These are key to the 70 years of desolation and the fall of Jerusalem in year 19. Cyrus had two rulerships, 50 years apart. He became king over Persia exactly 54 years after the fall of Babylon, and he became king after 50 years of desolation of the land from the last deportation. He became king over Babylon 74 years after the fall of Jerusalem and 70 years after the last deportation. Josephus in the previous paragraph of 1.19 in the same work, Against Apion, clearly mentions the desolation of seventy years. So he is either contradicting himself or giving us a cryptic reference for the context of a 50-year desolation in relation to when Cyrus first became king. Josephus does this elsewhere as well, which is why we can't ignore this.

For instance, he gives us the actual original 18-year rule of Evil Merodach in Ant. 10.11.2

"When Evil-Mcrodach was dead, after a reign of eighteen years, Niglissar his son took the government, and retained it forty years, and then ended his life; and after him the succession in the kingdom came to his son Labosordacus, who continued in it in all but nine months; and when he was dead, it came to Baltasar, (24) who by the Babylonians was called Naboandelus; against him did Cyrus.."

Continued 1C

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Question about WT article about ancient city of Tyre

by EndofMysteries in

wt 59 page 312.

"true to the prophecy, not long after the fall of jerusalem, the king of babylon came against tyre.

but tyre was confident.

Larsinger58

See continuation 1A

In other words, per the Bible, Darius the Mede ruled 6 years. Cyrus ruled for 20 years before he became king at Babylon and released the Jews and started counting a new rulership from year 1. Cyrus became king in Persia in the 6th year of Nabonidus. So there is a 25-year period from the 1st of Nabonidus until the end of the 20-year rule of Cyrus. If we subtract 6 years for the rule of Darius the Mede that leaves 19 years for the rule of Nabonidus. 13 years from the end of the rule of Nabonidus' 19 years pushes us back to year 7.

In other words, this is not about Tyre at all but a cryptic reference to the last years of Babylon, that is, it fell 13 years after the 7th year of Nabonidus. The mention that Cyrus became king in the 14th year, means Darius the Mede became king in the 14th year after the 7th of Nabonidus. This proves Josephus knew perfectly well what the original chronology was, but was trying to suppress it.

There were 54 years from the fall of Jerusalem until Cyrus became king over Persia. There were 74 years from the fall of Jerusalem until Cyrus became king over Babylon. There were 50 years of desolation from year 23 of Neb2, the year of the last deportation. There are 13 years from year 7 of Nabonidus until the fall of Babylon, and Darius the Mede became king in the 14th year after that. Now it says Hirom reigned for 20 years and that Cyrus became king in his 14th year. Well if you substitute Hiron's 20 years for Cyrus' 20 years, then Darius the Mede does indeed become king in the 14th year of Cyrus, leaving six years to complete the 20 years, the exact number of years of the rule of Darius the Mede.

So there are too many contradictions and coincidences here to definitively use this reference in relation to Tyre. My presumption is that Tyre was sieged for 3 years rather than 13. That way, there is a relevant connection in the error to the truth. That works fine since Tyre would have to be desolated by year 23. If the siege began in year 20, that gives you a 4-year period to overthrow Tyre, which still would have been grueling.

I'll try to demonstrate in a table in continuation 1B

LArs