Posts by Larsinger58

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1874

by PYRAMIDSCHEME in

does anyone know the last mention of 1874 in the orgs publications?

i am trying to pinpoint in their own literature when this was changed to 1914. i know the 1914 doctrine came into its "current understanding" around 1941, right?.

It has to be remembered the previous view was that, while Jesus' parousia began in 1874, Jesus' enthronement or installation as King was 1878. Black Sheep's 1935 quote refers to 1914 replacing 1878 as the time of Jesus' enthronement.

It is truly ironic, but technically if the "parousia" are the events immediately surrounding and thus leading up to the second coming, then 1874 as the date when "Michael stands up" means that concept is correct. The parousia technically does begin in 1874!

1886 is when the 2300 evenings an mornings ends and the temple in its right condition begins for 110 years from 1886 to 1996. 1886 was the year the first Studies In the Scriptures took place. 1874-1994 marks a 120-year generation of Noah. 1914-1996 marks an 80-year generation.

1914 is when the 11 hours of vineyard workers begins. 7 years is one hour so 11 hours is 77 years from 1914 to 1991. 1991-1998 constitutes the "12th hour" and thus the "last hour." This is the hour the workers are paid from the last to the first. But it is also the hour the antichrist is revealed The antichrist was revealed 45 days before the 2nd coming, which was November 10, 1992.

1935 is when the third hour workers who were not promised a penny began to show up. 3 x 7 = 21. 1914 + 21 = 1935. Thus a second class within the WTS was prophesied in the Bible for the 3rd-11th hour workers! This is the anointed vs the "other sheep." But as the parable shows, once Christ arrives he invites ALL the workers into the kingdom, meaning the other sheep. The 3rd-11th hour workers get the same "penny" as the 1st-hour workers. The early anointed ones are not only surprised but not that happy about that. They are told to take their penny and go! So in more ways than one, the last are first and the first are last in the kingdom. Both chronologically and in regards to Christ's approval.

Haaaa haaa ! Sometimes I'm amazed at how much Biblical understanding I have. But then, I'm the messiah, so I guess that comes with the territory, right?

Oh, Annnnnnnn, thanks for agreeing with me!

So the focus on 1874 could be considered "inspired" though back then they did not fully appreciate what it meant.

Fascinating!

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1874

by PYRAMIDSCHEME in

does anyone know the last mention of 1874 in the orgs publications?

i am trying to pinpoint in their own literature when this was changed to 1914. i know the 1914 doctrine came into its "current understanding" around 1941, right?.

Larsinger58

1874 remains a date for the second coming. In a way, when "Michael stands up" that is the technical beginning of his PAROUSIA. So it is still relevant. It marks of the 120-year generation of Noah that ends in 1994.

The Bible Students/JWs are the true "temple in its right condition" from 1886 to 1996. They are apostate NOW, but as the Bible said, "let the wheat and weeds grow together until the harvest" and then Christ would separate out the wheat from the weeds, the sheep from the goats. So that has been happening. The "little flock" of faithful anointed ones among JWs have been removed and brought to "other sheep not of this fold."

But don't fret too much. It appears that Jehovah intended for only the elect to be able to see everything clearly and would not put "new wine" into "old wineskins" so even some of the elect would not understand everything before Armageddon, let alone the masses or those in Christendom.

Jehovah's day is a day of darkness and gloom for the world. They will die in ignorance, only knowing that God is real and very angry with them.

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1874

by PYRAMIDSCHEME in

does anyone know the last mention of 1874 in the orgs publications?

i am trying to pinpoint in their own literature when this was changed to 1914. i know the 1914 doctrine came into its "current understanding" around 1941, right?.

Larsinger58

1874 is still a good BIBLICAL DATE for when "Michael stands up" (Dan. 12:1).

1874 marks the 120-year generation from 1874 to 1994.

1914 marks the 80-year generation from 1914-1994.

Per the Bible the 2nd coming would occur before the end of that "generation" of 1914-1994, and it did. It occurred on December 25, 1992!

So even though complete understanding of 1874 or 1914 is not known by the WTS, they are still critical touchstone dates in Bible prophecy.

Focussing on these dates was still beneficial.

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Archaeologists discover saber-toothed vegetarian

by VM44 in

archaeologists discover saber-toothed vegetarian .

by randolph e. schmid, ap science writer randolph e. schmid, ap science writer thu mar 24, 7:04 pm et.

washington surprised scientists have discovered the remains of a saber-toothed vegetarian.

Larsinger58

Interesting.

It appears that there were some meat-eating dinosaurs until they became extinct prior to the creation of Adam and Eve. But after that, all animals an man were vegetarians. After the flood, though, meat-eating was allowed by both man and in nature. But apparently meat-eating animals will return to being vegetarian once the millennium begins.

OOOOH! OUCH!

So with Armageddon so close now, if you like meat, now is the time to enjoy it because after the millennium starts, meat eating will be out. We will all be vegetarians, including the animals.

You can do a lot with beans though. I love bean tacos. I wonder if we will drink milk or eat eggs? Hard to imagine a diet without milk or eggs, but we shall see!

Of couse, the 350 million year reference is just blind speculation and should be ignored. When each day is 7000 years long the maximal age of any animals would be 21-28,000 years max.

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MY You Tube video has been removed

by Lady Lee in

my jaw is on the floor.

after many years my youtube video about jehovah's witnesses and mind control has been taken off the internet.

here is what the page says.

Larsinger58

Yes, change the video in a few places so that it is not the same video or the same length and REPOST. Then whoever is spamming you have to go through the same thing.

But at least you have the satisfaction over 400,000 people have seen it. So it is still a successful video.

You can add a title page with a couple of comments and close it with a new credits page or something, which might change the video enough not to be electronically recognized as a reposted video.

Best regards.

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Why I lost my faith in the bible.

by cyberjesus in

when i realized the nwt was "corrupted" by the egocentric mistranslation of the idiotic figure of "frederick w. franz" and his slaves.. whom i blindly trusted due to the indoctrination of my parents.

i questioned who others might have deceived me as well.

how can i trust the other translations of the bible, its authenticity and its reliability since all my beliefs were based on that book.. so i read, researched, considered, compared and reason the evidence available, many books... today i just discovered a documentary from pbs that summarizes pretty well why i came to my position regarding the bible.. i hope you enjoy it...or you suffer as much as i did when i realized it.

Larsinger58

I can understand why many might lose faith in god or become angry with him.

But for some of us, the expeience is wonderful. Those of the "elect" who are sealed into the kingdom get to enjoy the actions of holy spirit, see the "sign of the son of man" or in my case, actually get to meet and speak with God. Keep in mind 1/3 of the angels who know very well there is a god, still decided not to worship him.

The elect get advanced direct knowledge of God. The world at-large will get to know the existence of God at Armageddon.

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Reasons for disbelief: The top ten reasons I am an atheist

by whereami in

many people ask why someone like me, who came from a christian home, went to a christian high school and then went on to spend five years in seminary and become a pastor, a missionary, and an evangelist, would turn his back on the god he spent a lifetime worshiping and serving and give up all faith in the supernatural.

the answer is very simple, and im about to give it.

first, however, let me tell you what the reason is not.. most people, upon hearing my story, all unanimously decide regardless of their own spiritual beliefs or religious affiliations that i must be mad at god.

Larsinger58

Very interesting and thanks for sharing your experience.

I have a couple of comments:

1) Science now in the form of advanced C14 dating and archaeology support the Biblical timeline, at least for the time of the Exodus at the beginning of the reign of Akhenaten, who converted to monotheism becauseof the ten plagues. But you don't find archaeologists or historians linking Akhenaten to the Exodus. So there are a lot of liars and deceivers out there manipulating the "science" that would otherwise support the Bible. If you don't get down to the raw evidence and you follow the sugar-coated and distorted rhetoric of prominent persons in the field, then you get a wrong impression and you logically are led to reject the Bible. So science and the Bible do not contradict each other, at least not as much as is believed by atheists.

2) I can completely emphathize with your "frustration" with God and your conclusion he does not exist. But my experience is totally different. That's because I became the messiah! Per the Bible, an individual, imperfect adult is chosen to become the fleshly manifestation of the messiah at the 2nd coming. He does not have to return in the perfect flesh since that first sacrifice was "once for all time", nor can he use his former perfect human body since it was given in sacrifice. So in order to enter the flesh again for the second coming and the 1000-year reign, a volunteer is used; someone who lies down his own life to allow Christ to live in the flesh again. This reflects the parables of the "prodigal son" and the "Rich Man and Lazarus." I'll skip further details, but basically that person chosen to be the imperfect messiah gets to be rather close to God and his activities at this time. So in my case, I actually got a chance to have an interview with Jehovah himself. So my personal experience is that I know for a fact that not only is there a god, but the god of the Bible is that god. So while you are an atheist and reasonably so because you lack any direct evidence of god, I'm still a believer, not because of the Bible or science, per se, but because of direct interaction with Jehovah himself when I became the chosen "prodigal son" to embody the spirit of Christ for the second coming.

So be assured, here is a god and Armageddon is about to occur, just as prophesied.

Again, I totally empathize with your experience, but am so thankful I don't have to guess about the existence of god.

By the way, he is as described in the Bible. The Bible says he has "wooly hair" and indeed, he would appear to be black with a "natural" which certainly fits the description of "wooly hair."

So in the end atheism is just a misunderstanding. You can take my word for it or wait for Armageddon, when a lot of things will be cleared up about god for the public in general. Still it is nice to have an advanced demonstration of god's reality.

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Higher Criticism and the WTS

by Doug Mason in

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i have my idea why the wts waxes so strongly against higher criticism, so i would like to hear the views of others on this matter.. i do not want this thread to degenerate into a discussion on the merits or otherwise of higher criticism, but rather for this thread to explore the reason(s) why the wts has to be so adamantly against it.. as a clue to my own thoughts, i suggest that consideration should be given to the wts's silence -- as far as i am aware (and i am open to correction) -- on the subject of lower criticism (and other forms of analysis).. doug.

Larsinger58

I think, in general, they are down on "higher criticism" since it is often anti-Biblical. For instance, you will find many scholars commenting that the Bible's history is not accurate, or that it has changed over time or been revised, or is a collection of various events. One of my favorites is the idea that the story of the Exodus is a combination of several events in ancient Israelite history and is not a true event. Thus they often imply for the Bible what might be true of other historical cultures, in general. Even archaeologists that believe the events in the Bible to be at least semi-historical will rationalize, such as Dame Kathleen Kenyon, though dating the destruction of Jericho by Joshua between 1350-1325 BCE, also claimed that the walls might have been destroyed by some natural force, such as an earthquake. So "higher criticism" often reflects on unfounded presumptions, so witnesses are warned against this.

But in reality, "higher criticism" is really a misnomer. It suggests superior examination of the facts, but just the opposite is often true. Those with big degrees use those degrees and the concept of "peer review" to foster their own agenda and propaganda. A perfect example of that is the Exodus. The Exodus was always dated at the end of the rule of Amenhotep III by Manetho. "Higher criticism" would criticize Manetho as being removed from the time and/or part of a forgery. But since the Exodus actually did occur at the end of the reign of Amenhotep III, at least that historical reference is actually correct, so "higher criticism" has been incompetent in this regard.

Thus the Bible itself is really the measuring rod. It is the highest criticism of everything else. So in this case, I tend to agree with the WTS and others who use the Bible to preempt what the academic world is trying to promote as truth when it directly contradicts the Bible. For instance, Martin Anstey concluded the Persian Period was 82 years too long in his 1913 "Romance of Bible Chronology" in the face of all the secular references supporting the current timeline that would date the 1st of Cyrus c. 538-537 BCE. The Biblical dating is closer to 455 BCE. Opposing all the "higher criticism" to the contrary, Anstey surmised the Persian Period must be 82 years too long. We now can confirm that is precisely the case and can remove those fake 82 years from the Persian Period, vindicating the Bible's timeline and dating. This is done by secular sources, such as the VAT4956 which contain the original dating of 511 BCE for year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar II. So "higher criticism" is often behind the times and incorrect, even when their own documents, such as the VAT4956, SK400 and others would confirm revisionism and manipulation of the timeline and also support the Bible's true timeline. So criticizing "higher criticism" is a valid position. The crux of the issue is assuming those with degrees and who have become experts in a certain field are also honest--they are often not, with many conflicts of interests and their own agendas, often anti-Biblical agendas.

So the best position is to become a higher critic of "higher criticism"! The WTS is right on point with that.

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What Was Meant By 'Abstain From Blood'?

by headisspinning in

i have always been very hardcore about my aversion to blood and have never even considered the possibility that this was merely a dietary restriction.

i always bought into the analogy of a doctor telling a patient to abstain from alcohol... it wouldn't matter whether this individual drank the alcohol or took it intravenously... it would all be in direct contradiction to the doctor's orders to 'abstain' from alcohol.. or the other analogy is to an apple pie... if you weren't to eat the pie, it would not be okay to separate it out into the main parts (or 'components)... ie.

the flour, the apples, the sugar or the cinnamon... if they were taken from that pie, you were eating the pie.. so maybe you can see where the questions popped up for me.

Larsinger58

Whatever it means, it was only to be done while you were around Jewish believers!

The Bible clearly says if you're in the home of an unbeliever, you can eat whatever you wanted without making any inquiry in regards to your conscience.

Allow me:

1 Cor 10: 25 " Everything that is sold in a meat market keep eating, making no inquiry on account of YOUR conscience; 26 for “to Jehovah belong the earth and that which fills it.” 27 If anyone of the unbelievers invites YOU and YOU wish to go, proceed to eat everything that is set before YOU , making no inquiry on account of YOUR conscience."

EAT EVERYTHING!

The key here is "unbelievers". That is, if you're around unbelievers you can eat anything. This acknowledges the rule about abstaining from blood in another circumstance, which would be around Jewish believers. So that rule was made for congregations where the weak conscience of Jewish converts was consistent and offensive to eat blood. That was appropriate to keep peace and consistency within the congregations. But that was for the sake of the weak conscience of the Jewish brothers. But there are no Christian rules against blood or anything else that is taken into the body if it does not violate your conscience (i.e. tobacco?)

But, if you are outside that community and with an unbeliever, perhaps an unbelieving relative, you don't have to apply the "abstain from blood" rule and you can chow down on all the blood sausages and tobacco you want to. It's not sin. Nothing taken into your body is a sin. What you eat does not reflect your heart condition. What comes out of your mouth reflects your heart condition and can defile you.

Think of all the blood transfusion deaths that were unnecessary, perhaps, because of this stubborn misinterpretation by the WTS? That's why they are called the "man of lawlessness" at 2 Thess 2.

One place says "abstain" another says, "eat everything." But this is not a conflict. The context of eating anything is in the home of an unbeliever. The rule to abstain was to be followed when you were around believers, but that comes from the context of this being lots of Jewish believers.

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Who REALLY IS the Faithful and Discreet Slave?

by TimothyT in

im 23 and im still a jw.

the jehovahs witnesses claim that god is using their earthly organisation in the last days!

im realy not too sure.

Larsinger58

STOP IT!!!

diana