At it's root, the question is to whom do Mason's like Muslims give homage? If that question is of no concern, then it speaks of the same mental, or should I say lack thereof, disregard for any other abnormalities that are obviously threatening to bring down western civilization and the freedoms that people in totalitarian systems cannot even fathom, by ranting on about conspiracy theories being the exclusive province of any who don't see things from their blinded perspective and who simply are content to be duped and howl at the wind. They make no logical counter arguments. But only emotional fulminations that show a complete lack of understanding and obvious wanting in areas of cerebral development, and more often than not have avatars of their own choosing to prove it.
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Do 'general' masons, understand what their symbology means?
by EndofMysteries inamong them and their associates, almost all are based on faces of cherubs, serpent as the god of healing, many things from solomon's temple.
i know those who continue to make them and use them, must have an idea of what they represent and the reason for them.
i don't know, if the general members have any clue or if they are just in it for their own reasons, the association, benefits, to help others, or to advance their life/career, etc.
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"It's up to the people. Essentially the Constitution is a covenant of the people with their government. If the people don't insist on their government officials abiding by the covenant, I don't know what you can do," -
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Obama Birth Certificate Controversy: Who Verifies a Candidate is Legit?
November 25, 2008"The controversy that surrounds the birth certificate of President-elect Barack Obama, as well as his place of birth, has this writer asking her own questions: whose supposed to verify a Presidential candidate is legitimate, a natural born citizen? Is it possible for a candidate to be elected as President, who wasn’t egible to run? If so, and the citizenary discovered the candidate had fraudulently run for President, what safeguards are in place to rectify the situation?
When running for President, Barack Obama, whose father was a citizen of Kenya, and whose mother is a natural born citizen of the United States, submitted an online a copy of what is known as a “Certificate of Live Birth”, or COLB, from the state of Hawaii. COLB’s are issued to parents of a child born either abroad, or outside of a hospital. World Net Daily has focused on the COLB issue with Janet Porter’s, Rathergate II, Certificate of Live Birth a Clear Forgery.
Porter’s piece focuses on analysis of the COLB issued by Hawaii and has cited analysis which purportedly shows the COLB is either a forgery, or has been altered. Porter also claimed that Obama wasn’t issued an American passport until he was a United State Senator, even though he had previously traveled overseas to countries such as Indonesia, Pakistan, and Kenya.
There are currently lawsuits working their way through the U.S. Courts: Leo C. Denofrio of New Jersey is one such case.
In his case, Denofrio has challenged the egibility of three candidates running on the New Jersy ballot for President: Democrat Barack Obama, Republican John McCain, and Socialist Workers Party candidate Roger Calero.
Denofrio sued the New Jersey Secretary of State, who by law, is entrusted with vetting Presidential candidates who are on the New Jersey ballot. While some may consider Denofrio’s suit “frivolous”, the case is scheduled for a conference by Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, December 5th. Denofrio’s case also answered one my questions: who is in charge of vetting Presidential candidates?
For those of you who are unfamiliar with Roger Calero, the Socialist Workers Party candidate who ran for President on the New Jersey ballot, Calero was in Nicaragua, is not an American citizen, carries a Green Card, and ran on five different state ballots for President. At no time did the Secretary of State of New Jersey, in charge of elections, verify whether Calero was a “natural born citizen”.
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Even though the office of the President is part of the Federal Government, the Feds don’t have any power to enforce the Constitution’s “natural born citizen” requirement for Presidential candidates. This was news to me, I assumed, that someone, somewhere, in the Federal government was entrusted with verifying a candidate was eligible to run for President. It’s the state governments, and their State Elections Divisions, who are actually the government officials who are responsible for ensuring a candidate, during the election process, is legitimate. When Denofrio contacted the New Jersey Secretary of State Elections Division, what he discovered is quite shocking:..........When running for President, Barack Obama, whose father was a citizen of Kenya, and whose mother is a natural born citizen of the United States, submitted an online a copy of what is known as a “Certificate of Live Birth”, or COLB, from the state of Hawaii. COLB’s are issued to parents of a child born either abroad, or outside of a hospital. World Net Daily has focused on the COLB issue with Janet Porter’s, Rathergate II, Certificate of Live Birth a Clear Forgery. Porter’s piece focuses on analysis of the COLB issued by Hawaii and has cited analysis which purportedly shows the COLB is either a forgery, or has been altered. Porter also claimed that Obama wasn’t issued an American passport until he was a United State Senator, even though he had previously traveled overseas to countries such as Indonesia, Pakistan, and Kenya..........." -
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Friday, July 30, 2010
OBAMA WATCH CENTRAL
Proofin' the prez: Who's in charge?
Constitutional lawyer says electors have duty to investigate citizenship
Posted: November 24, 2008
9:48 pm Eastern
By Bob Unruh© 2010 WorldNetDaily
"A one-time vice presidential candidate who is considered an expert on the U.S. Constitution says it is up the electors from the 50 states to make certain President-elect Barack Obama is a natural-born U.S. citizen before they cast votes for him in the Electoral College Dec. 15.
"If they do their duty, they would make sure that if they cast a vote for Mr. Obama, that Mr. Obama is a natural-born citizen," Herb Titus, the Constitution Party's running mate to Howard Phillips in 1996, told WND today.
"I think it should be resolved. The duty is in the Electoral College. Every Obama elector that is committed to casting a vote on the 15th of December, they have a constitutional duty to make certain whether Mr. Obama is a natural-born citizen," he said.
If the electors fail their duty and Obama proves ultimately to fail the eligibility requirement of the U.S. Constitution, there would be only the laborious, contentious and cumbersome process of impeachment available to those who would wish to follow the Constitution, he suggested.
The issue of Obama's citizenship has been in the news for weeks as multiple legal claims have asserted the Democrat is not a natural-born U.S. citizen. There have been claims he was born in Kenya, that he's a British subject because of his father and that he lost his citizenship in Indonesia.Two of the cases are pending before the U.S. Supreme Court and several others that have fallen by the wayside.
Also, thousands of people are jumping aboard a petition that demands documentation of Obama's eligibility to hold the highest office in the U.S., not just assurances from party officials.
Already, more than 115,000 petitioners have joined the effort coordinated by WND founder and editor Joseph Farah.
To participate, sign the petition here.
A report accompanying Farah's petition explains the many questions raised about Obama's eligibility, from an apparently fabricated "Certification of Live Birth" posted online to questions about what nation's passport he used to travel to Pakistan.One case is scheduled for a conference among U.S. Supreme Court justices Dec. 5. Conferences are private meetings of the justices at which they review cases and decide which ones to accept for formal review. The Supreme Court's website listed the date for the case brought by Leo C. Donofrio against Nina Wells, the secretary of state in New Jersey, over not only Obama's name on the 2008 election ballot but those of two others, Sen. John McCain and Roger Calero. The case, unsuccessful at the state level, was submitted to Justice David Souter, who rejected it. The case then was resubmitted to Justice Clarence Thomas for conference Dec. 5.
Titus holds a law degree cum laude from Harvard, is admitted to practice before the U.S. Supreme Court and a long list of federal court districts, and helped found a law school. He told WND the framers of the Constitution specifically wanted the electors, citizen voters from all the states, to determine the presidency to avoid chief executives who are indebted to political parties or court decisions.
In 1788, Titus noted, Alexander Hamilton wrote in the Federalist Papers on the issue of the presidential election that "nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption."
"They have not made the appointment of the president to depend on any pre-existing bodies of men, who might be tampered with beforehand to prostitute their votes; but they have referred it in the first instance to an immediate act of the people of America, to be exerted in the choice of persons for the temporary and sole purpose of making the appointment," Hamilton wrote. "And they have excluded from eligibility to this trust, all those who from situation might be suspected of too great devotion to the president in office. No senator, representative, or other person holding a place of trust or profit under the United States, can be of the numbers of the electors.
"Talents for low intrigue, and the little arts of popularity, may alone suffice to elevate a man to the first honors in a single state; but it will require other talents, and a different kind of merit, to establish him in the esteem and confidence of the whole Union, or of so considerable a portion of it as would be necessary to make him a successful candidate for the distinguished office of President of the United States," Hamilton wrote in support of the concept of the Electoral College.
If the electors fail, Titus said, "I think it moots the point."
"I don't think there is anything in the Constitution [that would allow a challenge based on a candidate's constitutional qualifications.]
"It would politically undermine Obama's re-election … and there may be an impeachment if someone concluded he deliberately misled the people, and knew he was not a natural-born citizen," he said.
Titus said the evidence clearly shows there are questions about Obama's birth that should be resolved. But he said he doesn't believe the courts will do anything, nor should they.
"If it's revealed it's only going to be [revealed because of] investigative journalism or by Obama himself," he said.
"It's only the Electoral College that has the duty and authority to determine is a person is qualified to be president," Titus said.
"We should act accordingly, get the names of all the electors, including McCain's electors, and urge them to do their duty," he said.
He said, however, the bottom line is that there are some people who would rather ignore the Constitution than dispense with a candidate who may be unqualified.
"Politically, [being ineligible] would be a very serious problem for [Obama,]" he said. "But there also would be people who would only shrug."
"It's up to the people. Essentially the Constitution is a covenant of the people with their government. If the people don't insist on their government officials abiding by the covenant, I don't know what you can do," he said.
Titus said the basis of a natural-born requirement traces back to the Old Testament, where Moses prophesied about the people of Israel getting a king.
"The whole notion of a natural-born citizen is designed for the purpose of making sure that the chief executive would not have politically divided loyalties," he said.
Supreme Court would decide?
Meanwhile, a veteran law enforcement officer and director of criminal justice courses says he believes the 2008 election results ultimately could come down to a decision by the U.S. Supreme Court, which issued a ruling eight years ago that helped put George W. Bush in the White House.
The assessment comes from James H. Hafeman, a veteran of decades in law enforcement who supervised an armed security force, taught criminal justice and directed criminal justice programs in Michigan. He submitted a commentary to WND, outlining his evidence.
Hafeman said his argument is based mostly on the U.S. Constitution, which outlines the requirements for eligibility for president, including that the candidate be a "natural-born" citizen.
While replacing a president is outlined in the Constitution, he warned the replacement of a president-elect who is found to be ineligible isn't simple.
"While many have speculated that an official declaration of Obama’s ineligibility may lead to the appointment of Joe Biden as president, the speculation is inaccurate. Since it was up to the respective political party to properly vet their candidate before a primary election, they may not qualify to be rewarded for their lack of integrity. Additionally there is no separate balloting for president and vice-president; they share the same slot. Obama's ineligibility would effectively void the entire Obama-Biden ticket," he said.
Therefore, he said, other provisions likely would come into play.
"We already know that if two candidates have an equal number of Electoral College votes, the members of the House of Representatives will collectively choose the president. Many citizens have been led to believe that it is the responsibility of the House is to decide the winner by majority vote, but that is incorrect. Members of the House of Representatives from each state would meet in a state-caucus type of meeting and vote with all congressional members from their respective state. The majority of the state's delegation would only have only one vote. Out of the 50 votes allotted among the House of Representative members, 25 plus a minimum of one vote would be required to elect the president," he wrote.
William Ball, a political science professor at Northern Michigan University, has said, "The results of the Electoral College are sent to the president of the Senate, but if there is no winner, then the House of Representatives, not the whole Congress, decides who will be president. But, in this process the State of Vermont or Wyoming with their one vote each would have as much power as California or New York."
Hafeman said the Constitution demands the same process for a situation in which a seated president becomes ineligible, but Obama won't be inaugurated until Jan. 20.
"This may be the first known case where a presidential candidate intentionally attempted to side step the specific requirements of the Constitution in order to run for the office of president," Hafeman said. "The 12th Amendment is quite clear. If the president is found ineligible, the vice-president shall become the president. However, the key is the 'president,' not the president-elect. In other words, if Mr. Obama is found ineligible to hold the office prior to his January 20, 2009, inauguration, the 12th Amendment would not necessarily be the guiding instrument for the Supreme Court.
"The Justices would be free to make their own determination regarding the specifics of the general election," Hafeman wrote.
So, Hafeman concluded, the high court may have to make some decisions.
If the worse fears about Obama's birthplace prove true, Hafeman said, the court will have to decide the consequences for providing inaccurate assurances of eligibility.
"Second, what process will be used to designate someone who will assume the office?" he wrote.
"Since all the secretaries of state will be forced to nullify the Obama-Biden ticket, the Electoral College votes would go to the next highest contender. The principle would award McCain-Palin with the total possible Electoral College votes – all 538 electors," he suggested.
"In the national-interest scenario, the question that might be asked by the Democrats may focus on the question as to whether or not they could hold an emergency national convention in order for the party to re-nominate a president and/or another vice-president candidate. If the Supreme Court declares the entire election invalid, then that may be a possibility, but it is highly unlikely since every other presidential team on the ticket were legitimate," he wrote.
"The Supreme Court may decide a new election is in order and would have to waive the two-term limitations of George W. Bush so that he can remain in office until the conclusion of the election. The continuation of his term is a viable course of action, but it may not be an action favored by the Supreme Court. Instead, the justices may simply view the anomaly as a political race with an illegitimate and disqualified opponent, which would result in a win for the McCain-Palin ticket."
On WND's new forum page, the level of frustration was rising. Dozens contributed their thoughts immediately after the forum was posted:
"What makes Obama non-respon[sive] to the simplest of requests?" asked one reader. "Does he think that it is politically incorrect to ask for authentication of the myriad of facts about himself … Is he testing the grounds to see how far he can play with this charade?" -
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3 Things You Should Know About Islam
by onemore in....watch the video, what if we were to substitute the word islam (in the video) for watchtowerism.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcbptzalqfy.
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To whom do they give homage? It's not the God of the Jews who would provide a ransom for all and then turn around and produce an anti-messiah in their sworn enemies.
http://www.yrm.org/4-3-10video.htm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1956058781270914781&hl=en&emb=1#
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3 Things You Should Know About Islam
by onemore in....watch the video, what if we were to substitute the word islam (in the video) for watchtowerism.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcbptzalqfy.
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It's more of a political ideology that's promotes itself as religion that everybody should have respect for.
The political part is dangerous. The religious side is full of contradictions and error.
The cathaholics are the same
Ditto for "christian fundamentalism"
Ditto for jw's
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Not doubting in private
by 5thGeneration incan anyone please help me find this wt quote.. it was from around 1999-2002.. where it says it would be wrong to have any doubts, even in private.
something to that effect.. thanks.. 5th.
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I'm surprised the articles didn't include exercising faith after digesting their rich food by pioneering to keep your spiritual muscles from getting flabby.
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Did your Kingdom Hall have kitchen?
by asilentone insomeone told me there are few kingdom halls with kitchens, i was surprised about it.
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The last one I attended did. But the only thing ever used was the fridge, sink and microwave.
Another one even had a big fireplace and a kitchen.
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IRAN-Deja vu all over again?
by JWdaughter inany of the rhetoric, demands, conciliation, etc., etc., remind you of anything?
wasn't this all how this war started in iraq?
(or the justification for it, anyway?
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Ex-CIA Chief Hayden: Military Strike on Iran Likely
"A former CIA director says military action against Iran now seems more likely because no matter what the U.S. does diplomatically, Tehran keeps pushing ahead with its suspected nuclear program. Michael Hayden, a CIA chief under President George W. Bush, said that during his tenure "a strike was way down the list of options." But he tells CNN's State of the Union that such action now "seems inexorable." "In my personal thinking," Hayden said, "I have begun to consider that that may not be the worst of all possible outcomes."
Hayden said that the likelihood of a U.S. strike on Iran has risen in the face of Tehran's defiance to halt its contentions nuclear program, saying "We engage. They continue to move forward." "We vote for sanctions. They continue to move forward. We try to deter, to dissuade. They continue to move forward," he added. The former CIA chief predicted Iran, in defiance of the international community, planned to "get itself to that step right below a nuclear weapon, that permanent breakout stage, so the needle isn’t quite in the red for the international community."
Hayden said that reaching even that level would be "as destabilizing to the region as actually having a weapon." Hayden also called homegrown terrorism "a devil of a problem" and the most serious threat facing American citizens. "In a democracy it’s incredibly difficult,” he said. “Look, we’ve all made our compromises with al-Qaeda and the al-Qaeda kinds of attacks. "But how do you build a security structure that guards you against American citizens who are beginning to change in their thinking up to a point where they become a threat to the security of other Americans? That’s a devil of a problem." Hayden said that the next step the intelligence community would take to combat homegrown terrorists would inevitably begin to infringe on the privacy of Americans, and that was still too steep of a price to pay. "What are you or your viewers willing to pay?" he asked CNN interviewer Candy Crowley. “How much would you allow us commerce or privacy or convenience in order to get down to that level of granularity. And frankly, I think American political culture. I think you and I, as citizens, would be uncomfortable going very far in that direction. That what makes this such a devilish problem."
Hayden also emphasized that the U.S. military should stay in Afghanistan and that al-Qaeda’s influence in the country was waning becomes of the presence of U.S. armed forces. If the U.S. withdrew prematurely, it would be detrimental to American security. "I would let this go for a while longer,” he said. “With regards to the small number of al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, that may be a reflection of American combat power in Afghanistan and if one were to remove that combat power, one would naturally see the number of al-Qaeda rise."
But it was the Iranian threat that most concerned Hayden, he stressed. The United States, the United Nations and the European Union have imposed new restrictions on Iran over its nuclear enrichment activities, which the West fears could lead it to make a bomb. The fourth round of U.N. sanctions calls for measures against new Iranian banks abroad if a link to the nuclear or missile programs is suspected and for vigilance on transactions with any Iranian bank, including the central bank. On Saturday, several key Iranian officials estimated that the United States and Israel would not dare attempt a military strike of Iran's nuclear sites, adding that they were confident that Iranian forces would easily repel such an attempt, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported.
The United States, which has ships in the Persian Gulf, has not ruled out a military strike to thwart what it suspects is an Iranian nuclear weapons program. Iran denies its atomic program is aimed at making weapons. Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said on Saturday that Israel and the United States would never strike Iran, saying that "both the U.S. and Zionist regime face internal problems and they know that we make many troubles for them if they attack Iranian territory." Yahya Rahim Safav told ISNA, Iran’s news agency, that Iran's armed forces were "fully prepared and enemies are aware of that, they do not have the power to take a political decision on the issue, because they know they can start the war but are not able to finish it." "We need to be fully vigilant of these attacks, the enemy knows that it will regret if launches a land strike against Iran." Safavi said. The commander of the Islamic Republic's Revolutionary Guards, Mohammad-Ali Ja'fari said that the United States would not dare to attack Iran as it is fully aware of Iran’s defense power and its nation’s determination, Haaretz reported.
Ja'fari also said, according to the IRNA report, that he considered his forces' preparedness as being at their "highest level," adding that recent sanctions imposed on Iran in view of its contentious nuclear program would have no impact on Iran's potency. Also Saturday, a former naval chief in Iran's Revolutionary Guard said his country has set aside 100 military vessels to confront each U.S. warship that poses a threat. General Morteza Saffari is quoted by the conservative weekly Panjereh Saturday as saying that troops aboard U.S. warships "are morsels for Iran to target in the event of any American threat against Iran." In 2008, Iran put its most powerful military force, the Revolutionary Guard, in charge of defending the country's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf, a vital oil route. Speaking with the semi-official Fars news agency, Iran's Defense Minister Ahmad Vahidi said that the increased U.S. pressure on Iran were prompted by Washington's desire to advance its "propaganda campaign "and gain control of the region."............." -
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3 Things You Should Know About Islam
by onemore in....watch the video, what if we were to substitute the word islam (in the video) for watchtowerism.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcbptzalqfy.
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I am not in the business of promoting Islam, or any religion.
I am in the business of fighting bigotry and ignorance.
Then you should fight islam and muslimism.What does muslimism do towards understanding other religions?
From the utube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCbPtzALqFY
"It is the duty of every Muslim to keep striving until all governments have been converted to Sharia Law.....Sharia orders death of Muslim and non-Muslim critics of Muhammad....allows husbands to HIT their wives...it is explained in the Qur'an that if you have two passages that contradict each other, the one written later SUPERSEDES the one written earlier. Most westerners are unaware that the PEACEFUL, TOLERANT passages were written early in Muhammad's prophetic career. According to the Qur'an, those passages have been abrogated."