i know there was an article on john barr's comments at the annual meeting this year.
i've posted the reference below.
i'm wondering if they are thinking of changing the belief back to that some annointed alive in 1914 will be alive when the tribulation starts?
bttt.
Has anyone come across any additional information regarding the supposed "generation" change?
“Jesus Christ meant lives of the anointed who were on hand in 1914 would overlap with those whose lives of the anointed see the start of the Great Tribulation.”
noah's flood (about 2300 bce).
pyramids build:.
pyramid / pharaohreignfielddjoserc.
probably using the highly inaccurate carbon dating method....
:p
> "If it is over 10k, we'll know because they won't release the number."
The GB can and will release whatever number they want. If they want it to appear as though the number of "anointed" is shrinking, they'll publish a lower number. If they want it to appear as though the number of "anointed" is growing, they'll publish a higher number.
The fact is, they needed some new blood. Prior to the published increase of recent years, the GB was faced with a group of "anointed" who collectively had one foot in the grave - remember, the "calling" ended in 1935. Do the math and calculate how old the "anointed" class was. How long before the average dub started to question the integrity of the 1935 generation, just as happened with the 1914 generation?
The GB needed new blood to allow "anointed" to carry the torch into the foreseeable future and so they published an increase. Once they're satisfied that the rank and file have grasped the concept that there are now younger "anointed" and therefore the "anointed" class can continue on into the foreseeable future, they'll switch back to publishing a slowly decreasing number.
peace
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Blondie, thank you again. Thanks also for the scans.
My comments:
par 12 says: "Already, pressures on all of God's people are intensifying."
"Already"???? Erm, Armageddon is like a hundred years overdue. I think the word they are searching for is FINALLY. "Finally, pressures on all of God's people are intesifying." Except that they're not. The average JW faces no more "pressure" than does the typical non-JW. Certainly not from the "world's financial system" which is the only example they cited.
par 13 says: "Consider the Witnesses who responded to the call for help after the storms and hurricanes devastated widespread areas of the southern United States in 2005. Moved by Jesus' example, more than 20,000 volunteered, many leaving comfortable homes and secure jobs to help their afflicted brothers."
"Moved by Jesus' example" the JWs lent assistance to "their afflicted brothers." How nice. And this is supposed to be following Jesus?
Jesus said: If you love only someone who loves you, will God praise you for that? Even sinners love people who love them. If you are kind only to someone who is kind to you, will God be pleased with you for that? Even sinners are kind to people who are kind to them. (Luke 6:32-33)
par 20 says: "Finally, let us show Christlike love to all our brothers, as Christ himself did... Such love identifies us as Jesus' true followers."
Obviously this statement is false given Luke 6:32-33. For "even sinners love people who love them".
I'm actually surprised by how transparent the WT$ is in this article. "Love" each other and to hell with the rest of them. How very Christlike,
peace
hey just wondering, when i get my pet lion in the new system,tm am i going to have to suffer the loss of my beloved pet?.
i recently lost my pet and being an animal lover, let me tell you, i took it pretty hard.
lots of "tears" along with plenty of "mourning" and "outcry" and "pain"... .
"dont worry you will have a queue of replacement pet lions to take the place of the dead."
I suppose that's the "truth" of it.
Seems like an awful lot of mourning, outcry, and pain considering the promises made by the Society. (Rev 21:4)
Maybe Nosferatu nailed it: "When you are perfect, you have no feelings."
peace
hey just wondering, when i get my pet lion in the new system,tm am i going to have to suffer the loss of my beloved pet?.
i recently lost my pet and being an animal lover, let me tell you, i took it pretty hard.
lots of "tears" along with plenty of "mourning" and "outcry" and "pain"... .
The average life span for a lion in the wild is 15 yrs and up to 30 yrs in zoos. In the new system paradise, of course, nothing but the best fruits, veggies and straw for fibre could be fed to your pet/friend lion. The guy could live to 40 yrs. That means 2 and half lions per century. When you are 500 yrs old, you will have gone through 13 lion friends, w no hope of a resurrection for your friends.
It gets worse. You see, me being me, it's unlikely I'd only have one animal friend at a time. I'd probably have several. Like 10, at least. And some may not even live as long as my lion. For example, my beaver friend might only live for 20 years! My opossum and tasmanian devil? Well they might not even make it past 5 years!
I can only imagine how many friends I will have buried in my first 500 years in Paradise.™
hey just wondering, when i get my pet lion in the new system,tm am i going to have to suffer the loss of my beloved pet?.
i recently lost my pet and being an animal lover, let me tell you, i took it pretty hard.
lots of "tears" along with plenty of "mourning" and "outcry" and "pain"... .
Thanks for the comments.
AGuest: where I said "pet" please read "friend".
Billy, Satanus, Outlaw: I think I'll name my second lion Fluffy II. After that, I'll go with Fluffy III.......
hey just wondering, when i get my pet lion in the new system,tm am i going to have to suffer the loss of my beloved pet?.
i recently lost my pet and being an animal lover, let me tell you, i took it pretty hard.
lots of "tears" along with plenty of "mourning" and "outcry" and "pain"... .
BB: Yeah I'm pretty sure animals are scheduled to die in "paradise" too. I remember asking the question as a kid too. As usual with these sorts of things, I was the only one that seemed bothered by it.
I'm surprised more dubs don't ask the question though. Like I said, how could it be "perfect" or "paradise" when someone somewhere is always grieving the loss of their pet?
How can tears, mourning, outcry, and pain be said to be gone when, well, they're not?
Hmm, maybe paradise is only open to heartless bastards who won't grieve the loss of their non-jw relatives let alone their pets. Oh wait. That's right. It is.
Peace
hey just wondering, when i get my pet lion in the new system,tm am i going to have to suffer the loss of my beloved pet?.
i recently lost my pet and being an animal lover, let me tell you, i took it pretty hard.
lots of "tears" along with plenty of "mourning" and "outcry" and "pain"... .
Hey just wondering, when I get my pet lion in the New System,™ am I going to have to suffer the loss of my beloved pet?
I recently lost my pet and being an animal lover, let me tell you, I took it pretty hard. Lots of "tears" along with plenty of "mourning" and "outcry" and "pain"...
The WT$ has promised that "tears" and "mourning" and "outcry" and "pain" will NOT EXIST in the New System.™ But if I have to endure the loss of my pet lion, well I can PROMISE plenty of each.
Anyone else ever think about this as a jw? Has God's Channel™ ever addressed it?
In all sincerity, (and this question plagued me even as a kid) how can it be considered "perfect" and "paradise" if people are constantly in depressive funks over the loss of their pet friends?
well, the watchtower, december 15, 2009 (pdf) is downloadable now.. although i had stopped notifying of those pdf files here, am i good to notify you?.
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http://bb2.atbb.jp/possible/.
Thanks MissingLink.
Sounds like some folks have most or all of the 2009 study edition pdfs. Any chance of getting links to those?
Obeisance in advance,
peacedog.
