NOAH'S FLOOD vs PYRAMIDS

by elder-schmelder 22 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  elder-schmelder

  Noah's flood (about 2300 BCE)

  Pyramids build:

  Pyramid / Pharaoh	Reign	Field
  Djoser	c. 2630 - 2612 BC	Saqqara
  Sneferu	c. 2612 - 2589 BC	Dashur
  Sneferu	c. 2612 - 2589 BC	Dashur
  Sneferu	c. 2612 - 2589 BC	Meidum
  Khufu	c. 2589 - 2566 BC	Giza
  Djedefre	c. 2566 - 2558 BC	Abu Rawash
  Khafre	c. 2558 - 2532 BC	Giza
  Menkaure	c. 2532 - 2504 BC	Giza
  Sahure	c. 2487 - 2477 BC	Abu Sir
  Neferirkare Kakai	c. 2477 - 2467 BC	Abu Sir
  Nyuserre Ini	c. 2416 - 2392 BC	Abu Sir
  Amenemhat I	c. 1991 - 1962 BC	Lisht
  Senusret I	c. 1971 - 1926 BC	Lisht
  Senusret II	c. 1897 - 1878 BC	el-Lahun
  Amenemhat III	c. 1860 - 1814 BC	Hawara

  Did they build pyramids before and after the flood?

  elder-schmelder
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  PSacramento

  Is there a definite date to Noah's flood ??
• 

  marmot

  Yeppers, WT even took the trouble to calculate everything out according to biblical genealogy.
• 

  inkling

  Yeah, no kidding. This was one of the many
  tiny cracks that ended up "shipwrecking
  by faith" as it were.

  Has the WT ever commented on this?

  My guess is thier reaction is something like
  this one, from the website "Answers In Genesis":

  (source: http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i4/pyramids.asp )

  "The modern chronology of Egypt is far too long because dynasties have been placed sequentially, whereas they were, to a greater or lesser extent, contemporary. In other words, the reigns were concurrent with each other. Also, some dynasties may not have existed at all."

  Also:

  ( http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2006/06/30/history-fit-biblical-timeline )

  "Utimately, here is what it comes down to: trust man or trust God.... using God's Word as authoritative, we know the pyramids of Egypt couldn't have been built prior to creation. Also, they would not have been built prior to the Flood as they would have been destroyed. So they would have had to come afterwards. The Bible also reveals that after the Flood man came together and didn't spread around the globe"

  [inkling]
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  PSacramento

  Have the pyramids been dated?
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  peacedog

  probably using the highly inaccurate carbon dating method....

  :p
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  PSacramento

  http://www.archaeology.org/9909/abstracts/pyramids.html

  According to the above:

  ...At Giza, south of the Sphinx, we are excavating remains of facilities for storage and production of fish, meat, bread, and copper that date to the middle and end of Dynasty 4, when the pyramids of Khafre and Menkaure were under construction. Three of the eight dates from samples taken here are almost direct hits on Menkaure's historical dates, 2532- 2504 B.C. The other five, however, range from 350 to 100 years older. Our radiocarbon dates from the site suggest that, like those from the pyramids, the dates on charcoal from the settlement scatter widely in time with many dates older than the historical estimate. The pyramid builders were likely recycling their own settlement debris....
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  PSacramento

  http://www.skepticworld.com/ancient-monuments/great-pyramid.asp

  Some parts for here:

  The generally accepted estimated date of its completion is c. 2560 BC. Although this date contradicts radiocarbon dating evidence, it is loosely supported by a lack of archaeological findings for the existence prior to the fourth dynasty of a civilization with sufficient population or technical ability in the area.

  The Edgar Cayce Foundation, researching claims that the pyramids were at least 10,000 years old, funded the "David H. Koch Pyramids Radiocarbon Project" in 1984. The project took samples of organic material (such as ash and charcoal deposits) from several locations within the Great Pyramid, and other pyramids and monuments from the Old Kingdom period (ca. 3rd millennium BC). These samples were subjected to radiocarbon dating to produce calibrated date-equivalent estimates of their age. This yielded results averaging 374 years earlier than the estimated historical date accepted by Egyptologists (2589 – 2504 BC) but still more recent than 10,000 years ago. An astronomical study by Kate Spence suggests the pyramid dates to 2467 BC.

  n his book Voyages of the Pyramid Builders, Boston University geology professor Robert Schoch details key anomalies in both radiocarbon studies; most notably that samples taken in 1984 from the upper courses of the Great Pyramid gave upper dates of 3809 B.C. (± 160yrs), nearly 1400yrs before the time of Khufu, while the lower courses provided dates ranging from 3090-2723 B.C (± 100-400yrs) which correspond much more closely to the time Khufu is believed to have reigned. Given that the data imply the pyramid was built (impossibly) from the top down, Dr. Schoch argues that if the information provided by the study is correct, it makes sense if it is assumed the pyramid was built and rebuilt in several stages suggesting later Pharaohs such as Khufu were only inheritors of an existing monument, not the original builders, and merely rebuilt or repaired previously constructed sections.
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  glenster

  As with several things at the start of the Bible, I recommend taking it
  figuratively for theological teaching.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah%27s_Ark

  If you need a somewhat literal version, you might imagine a flood happening to
  the earliest people with God's purpose. A big local flood could be thought to
  be the whole world as they knew it.
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  PSacramento

  The oldest record of the flood story is assyrian/mesopatamian if I recall and that was quite before the pyramids.