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peacedog
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Have there been any new pdf downloads of WTs
by Gordy inhave there been any downloads of recent watchtowers lately..
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peacedog
Hi teel, no apology is necessary.
You said: "I do not believe the Society would outright lie"
No disrespect, but like leavingwt said, "Dude. Take off the blinders."
Seriously, they have outright lied many, many times. In fact it's their outright lies more than anything that convinces me they are not and can not be the true religion.
Regarding the number of partakers prior to the recent new light, I think initially the GB was not prepared to abandon 1935. Cults are all about control, and with 1935 they had control over the anointed. They still needed some "buffer" of anointed to allow for a steady decline, so the number was artificially inflated and declined at a rate not consistent with the death rate. This is just my opinion and not material to my position on the current situation.
Anyway, the 1935 cutoff eventually became a serious problem for the WT$. Think about it. A 20 year old in 1935 turned 90 in 2005. The WT$ was facing the prospect of no more anointed, and by extension, no more faithful and discreet slave. An increase in partakers was absolutely essential for the continuance of the WT religion as we know it. And amazingly, the number of partakers started to rise just in time! The rise in partakers was *followed* by new light regarding the dropping of 1935 and the door being opened.
You said: "The 144k taken literaly is also a big problem for them to start artificially rising the number"
I agree. Although the 144k being literal has always been problematic and yet hasn't been an issue for the rank and file thus far. To be honest it wouldn't surprise me if the 144k was switched to a symbolic number at some point. Assuming the religion survives, it might become "necessary" based on the math alone. But for now they'll deal with the problem by not inflating the number too much. Just enough to buy several more decades for the faithful and discreet slave.
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peacedog
You're talking about old light
teel,
Yes I was referring to old light. ;) The door was opened a couple years ago. But I stand by everything that I said. As you said, "the official teaching is 'we can't set a date as to when the calling of the anointed ends'". Exactly. And this new light™ affords the WT$ the opportunity to publish a HIGHER number, which is what they needed to do in order to get out from under the time limit imposed by the 1935 generation.
Perhaps you are right that a psychological stop sign was removed leading to more partakers. It's very likely. However, this doesn't change the fact that the Society needed to break free from the 1935 generation in order to move forward with their core doctrines in tact. It also doesn't mean that the Society is publishing legitimate numbers. Perhaps the actual number of partakers did rise, perhaps not. Neither case will stop the WT$ from publishing whatever number of partakers they want.
Once the rank and file dubs come to terms with the fact that there are now "young" anointed,™ count on seeing a slowly decreasing number of partakers once again.
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Generation Change
by garlic81 ini know there was an article on john barr's comments at the annual meeting this year.
i've posted the reference below.
i'm wondering if they are thinking of changing the belief back to that some annointed alive in 1914 will be alive when the tribulation starts?
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peacedog
bttt.
Has anyone come across any additional information regarding the supposed "generation" change?
“Jesus Christ meant lives of the anointed who were on hand in 1914 would overlap with those whose lives of the anointed see the start of the Great Tribulation.”
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NOAH'S FLOOD vs PYRAMIDS
by elder-schmelder innoah's flood (about 2300 bce).
pyramids build:.
pyramid / pharaohreignfielddjoserc.
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peacedog
probably using the highly inaccurate carbon dating method....
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peacedog
> "If it is over 10k, we'll know because they won't release the number."
The GB can and will release whatever number they want. If they want it to appear as though the number of "anointed" is shrinking, they'll publish a lower number. If they want it to appear as though the number of "anointed" is growing, they'll publish a higher number.
The fact is, they needed some new blood. Prior to the published increase of recent years, the GB was faced with a group of "anointed" who collectively had one foot in the grave - remember, the "calling" ended in 1935. Do the math and calculate how old the "anointed" class was. How long before the average dub started to question the integrity of the 1935 generation, just as happened with the 1914 generation?
The GB needed new blood to allow "anointed" to carry the torch into the foreseeable future and so they published an increase. Once they're satisfied that the rank and file have grasped the concept that there are now younger "anointed" and therefore the "anointed" class can continue on into the foreseeable future, they'll switch back to publishing a slowly decreasing number.
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 11-15-09 WT Study (CHRISTLIKE LOVE)
by blondie incomments.
1. comments.
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peacedog
Blondie, thank you again. Thanks also for the scans.
My comments:
par 12 says: "Already, pressures on all of God's people are intensifying."
"Already"???? Erm, Armageddon is like a hundred years overdue. I think the word they are searching for is FINALLY. "Finally, pressures on all of God's people are intesifying." Except that they're not. The average JW faces no more "pressure" than does the typical non-JW. Certainly not from the "world's financial system" which is the only example they cited.
par 13 says: "Consider the Witnesses who responded to the call for help after the storms and hurricanes devastated widespread areas of the southern United States in 2005. Moved by Jesus' example, more than 20,000 volunteered, many leaving comfortable homes and secure jobs to help their afflicted brothers."
"Moved by Jesus' example" the JWs lent assistance to "their afflicted brothers." How nice. And this is supposed to be following Jesus?
Jesus said: If you love only someone who loves you, will God praise you for that? Even sinners love people who love them. If you are kind only to someone who is kind to you, will God be pleased with you for that? Even sinners are kind to people who are kind to them. (Luke 6:32-33)
par 20 says: "Finally, let us show Christlike love to all our brothers, as Christ himself did... Such love identifies us as Jesus' true followers."
Obviously this statement is false given Luke 6:32-33. For "even sinners love people who love them".
I'm actually surprised by how transparent the WT$ is in this article. "Love" each other and to hell with the rest of them. How very Christlike,
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Will my pet lion die?
by peacedog inhey just wondering, when i get my pet lion in the new system,tm am i going to have to suffer the loss of my beloved pet?.
i recently lost my pet and being an animal lover, let me tell you, i took it pretty hard.
lots of "tears" along with plenty of "mourning" and "outcry" and "pain"... .
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peacedog
"dont worry you will have a queue of replacement pet lions to take the place of the dead."
I suppose that's the "truth" of it.
Seems like an awful lot of mourning, outcry, and pain considering the promises made by the Society. (Rev 21:4)
Maybe Nosferatu nailed it: "When you are perfect, you have no feelings."
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Will my pet lion die?
by peacedog inhey just wondering, when i get my pet lion in the new system,tm am i going to have to suffer the loss of my beloved pet?.
i recently lost my pet and being an animal lover, let me tell you, i took it pretty hard.
lots of "tears" along with plenty of "mourning" and "outcry" and "pain"... .
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peacedog
The average life span for a lion in the wild is 15 yrs and up to 30 yrs in zoos. In the new system paradise, of course, nothing but the best fruits, veggies and straw for fibre could be fed to your pet/friend lion. The guy could live to 40 yrs. That means 2 and half lions per century. When you are 500 yrs old, you will have gone through 13 lion friends, w no hope of a resurrection for your friends.
It gets worse. You see, me being me, it's unlikely I'd only have one animal friend at a time. I'd probably have several. Like 10, at least. And some may not even live as long as my lion. For example, my beaver friend might only live for 20 years! My opossum and tasmanian devil? Well they might not even make it past 5 years!
I can only imagine how many friends I will have buried in my first 500 years in Paradise.™
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Will my pet lion die?
by peacedog inhey just wondering, when i get my pet lion in the new system,tm am i going to have to suffer the loss of my beloved pet?.
i recently lost my pet and being an animal lover, let me tell you, i took it pretty hard.
lots of "tears" along with plenty of "mourning" and "outcry" and "pain"... .
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peacedog
Thanks for the comments.
AGuest: where I said "pet" please read "friend".
Billy, Satanus, Outlaw: I think I'll name my second lion Fluffy II. After that, I'll go with Fluffy III.......