Posts by peacedog

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Unbelievable quote from 1967 Watchtower , 11/15 p.680

by callitquits76 in

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just been looking heavily into wt quotes today to see their swings and roundabouts version of 'truth', and i came across this.

bearing in mind that the revelation book has recently had a spruce up and 70 adjustments needed to be added...:.

"in 1930, two volumes entitled light were published, which brought a more up-to-date explanation of the revelation, and very recently, in 1963, the book babylon the great has fallen!

peacedog

Not to mention all the edits and re-issues of Russell's publications to remove his failed 1914 predictions....

For example (from this thread):

The original (pre-1914) printing of The Time is at Hand reads: "...the full end of their lease of dominion, will be reached in A.D. 1914; and that that date will be the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men." (pg 76-66)
Later (post-1914) printings of The Time is at Hand read: "...the full end of their lease of dominion, will be reached in A.D. 1914; and that that date will see the disintegration of the rule of imperfect men." (pg 76-66)

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Beware of the Strawman argument!

by Farkel in

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years ago before i took the time and effort to study logic and argumentation, i went to a market and bought some toothpaste.

it was a little-known brand and it touted "baking soda" as its magic ingredient.

it was also cheaper than the name-brand toothpastes and that helped me in my decision.

peacedog

Sometimes I think I've fallen into a Dan Brown novel on this site were people are trying to find the most sinister and complicated intentions in the most innocuous things.

And sometimes I think I've fallen into the Twilight Zone where people run around saying that a group of PROVEN LIARS has "the truth" and these LIARS are "God's Organization" and His "Channel of Communication"...

Newsflash for reniaa/debator and all the rest of your ilk: Since the WT$ is a LIAR ORGANIZATION, they clearly do not have "the truth" (duh!) nor can they be GOD'S ORGANIZATION or His CHANNEL OF COMMUNICATION.

Deal with it.

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Beware of the Strawman argument!

by Farkel in

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friends

years ago before i took the time and effort to study logic and argumentation, i went to a market and bought some toothpaste.

it was a little-known brand and it touted "baking soda" as its magic ingredient.

it was also cheaper than the name-brand toothpastes and that helped me in my decision.

peacedog

My name is debator if you want me to contunue replying to you please use it!

I see. How about as soon as you tell me that you are not the person who previously posted here with the forum name "reniaa" I will stop referring to you as "reniaa".

Your opinion of what you think witnesses mean by "God's channel" is only proof of your opinion.

You're stupid or you're a liar. Probably both. I wasn't telling you what I "think". What I "think" doesn't play into it at all. The WT$ has claimed (and claims still) to be "God's channel OF COMMUNICATION". This is not my OPINION.

The WT$ has never claimed to be "inspired"? I couldn't care less if they've used the word "inspired" in reference to themself. They claim to be God's channel OF COMMUNICATION. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. At least it is for those who don't suffer with the compulsion to defend our cult masters at all costs...............

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Dorky Geeky Gamer Thread

by agonus in

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just polling: what are some of your favorite classic and/or obscure video/computer games?.

lately i've been having an absolute blast with a pc engine emulator called "ootake.

" if you're not familiar with the pc engine, it was a console that was huge in japan but flopped in the u.s. as the "turbografx-16".

peacedog

One word: ZORK

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Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

by Essan in

i'm disgusted.

so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

peacedog

Well done, Essan.

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Only JW's will survive Armageddon...

by Bluegill in

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is there anything in print by the wtbs that actually says or strongly suggests only jw's will survive armageddon and live in the new system?

i know someone that has a hard time believing that god will destroy almost 6 billion people and doesn't recall ever being told that only jw's will survivie..

peacedog

Let's put the real blame where it belongs. As guilty as the Watchtower is, where would they be without the Bible to back up their bullshit?

Not to defend the bible, but this doesn't excuse the WT$... not by a long shot.

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Only JW's will survive Armageddon...

by Bluegill in

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is there anything in print by the wtbs that actually says or strongly suggests only jw's will survive armageddon and live in the new system?

i know someone that has a hard time believing that god will destroy almost 6 billion people and doesn't recall ever being told that only jw's will survivie..

peacedog

From the September 2010 Watchtower, kool-aid edition:

This refers to Christ’s coming as Judge to separate people of “all the nations” into two categories: “the sheep,” those who will have actively supported his spiritual brothers (anointed Christians on earth) and “the goats,” those “who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus.” (2 Thess. 1:7, 8) The sheep, described as “righteous ones,” will receive “everlasting life” on earth, but the goats “will depart into everlasting cutting-off,” or destruction. --WT Sep 15, 2010, p29

Anyone who is not actively supporting the F&DS is destroyed.....

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Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

by Essan in

i'm disgusted.

so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

peacedog

And now that I've read eggnog's post I'm taking back his 666 points...

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Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

by Essan in

i'm disgusted.

so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

peacedog

eggnog

What Russell actually stated was that "the full end of the times of the Gentiles ... will be reached in AD: 1914" after which the rule of imperfect men would begin to disintegrate.

A lie. Or an "untruth" if that sits better with your conscience. Which I doubt.

Russell NEVER said that after 1914 the rule of imperfect men would begin to disintegrate. You refer to a quote from a later (post-1914) edition of The Time is at Hand which was published after Russell's death. This has been pointed out several times now.

What Russell said was that 1914 would be "the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men". Easily verifiable in a pre-1914 edition of The Time is at Hand.....

Question: Did Russell make a prediction?

Answer: Yes!

(Eggnog's answer: Absolutely not!)

Question: What did Russell predict?

Answer: Russell predicted that 1914 would be "the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men." (The Time is at Hand, pre-1914 editions, p.76-77)

(Eggnog's answer: Absolutely nothing!)

Question: Was Russell correct in his prediction?

Answer: Not even close!

(Eggnog's answer: Yes! I mean no.. I mean yes!)

He didn't predict that 1914 would be the end of the Gospel age, which would culminate in Armageddon, followed by the beginning of the Millennial age and Christ's rule, did he?

Let's try this. If Russell did NOT believe that 1914 would be the "beginning of...Christ's rule" as you posit, then who did he believe would be ruling post-1914? Clearly, he did not believe it would be "imperfect men", since he predicted that 1914 would be "the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men." So who did Russell believe would be ruling post-1914?

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Challenge to DJeggnog Regarding his Lies.

by Essan in

i'm disgusted.

so, i'm formally challenging djeggnog to either substantiate or retract his outrageous claim that:.

1. russell made no predictions about 1914.. 2. specifically, russell never predicted christ's "coming" for 1914.

peacedog

brotherdan, by my count you now have 1914 pretend points.

I give eggnog 666.