Posts by JCanon

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Anointed Class? What Anointed Class?

by never_a_jw in

please, take the time to read this:.

the wts teaches that only the anointed 144,000 seen in revelation 7 will enter heaven (the "anointed class"), while the remainder that are not annihilated (the "other sheep") will live forever on earth in paradise.

however, the bible poses some irreconcilable difficulties with this idea.

JCanon

Hi Earnest...

I'll try to see if I can find my original reference for both Rutherford and Russell being Jews, which again, was only reported in passing. In the meantime I found this...just for our amusement!!! It links Russell and Rutherford with the same general lineage...

This type of combination typifies so many of the elite who I have researched. In the Be Wise As Serpents book, chapter 1.11 discusses how the Satanism within the Illuminati and the Watchtower Society could be tracked by an understanding of Enochian magic. Readers may want to refer back to that chapter after reading this paragraph. The Illuminati operating within the Watchtower Society use the Enochian Language which has its own language and its own Enochian alphabet (letters in boxes). According to eyewitnesses who have left the J.W. part of the Illuminati, the Enochian alphabet is known and used as the cult language by those Illuminati operating in the high levels of the Watchtower Society. In other words, their ceremonies are done in this ritual Enochian language. Sir William Sinclair in the 16th century was one of those who introduced Enochian Magic to Scotland. The Scottish connection in the Watchtower Society is overpowering. Both the Russell and the Rutherford families came from Scotland as well as MacMillan and many other key eariy Watchtower leaders. From this it appears that the Scottish type of Illuminatism that created the early Watchtower Society has always practiced Enochian magic. Remember from the Be Wise As Serpents book that knowing the Watchtowers is the key to Enochian magic. The same type of winged-sun-disk that C.T. Russell used was also used on the ......... Magic. Two phrases that were popular among satanists who practiced Enochian Magic in Rumli's day were ?Millennial Dawn and ?Golden Age.? The following are some of the Illuminati operating within the Watchtower Society today (names may be spelled incorrectly in some cases):

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Anointed Class? What Anointed Class?

by never_a_jw in

please, take the time to read this:.

the wts teaches that only the anointed 144,000 seen in revelation 7 will enter heaven (the "anointed class"), while the remainder that are not annihilated (the "other sheep") will live forever on earth in paradise.

however, the bible poses some irreconcilable difficulties with this idea.

JCanon

As neither he nor you provide any evidence for your assertions we can only credit it with the honesty and integrity he shows as a person.

I can understand your position and it is valid if Springmeier was ad libbing. But as you noted, Russell being Jewish is not critically significant to this reference. In a way, though, it's IRONY.

But CASE IN POINT: My information was being doubted regarding Russell simply being a Jew since everything I was claiming was presumed to be inaccurate, when in fact, my reference to Russell being a Jew did not come from my delusional state but was a research reference which has to stand on it's own merit. But likewise, whehter Springmeier invented this information or is simply quoting the facts which he then uses for his own argument is entirely dependent upon the detail here. Most conspirators take the facts and then use them in their own context. Question is was Springmeier inflating the historical bloodline of Russell and his family being Jewish, or is this something that was common knowledge from another reference.

Additionally, this is not the only reference I saw regarding Russell being Jewish. In another anti-Jewish, anti-Freemason reference (I might be able to find it) it said BOTH Russell and Rutherford were Jewish. That was the first I'd heard of that and I believe led me to do some research at which time I came across the elaboration by Springmeier about the family tree, etc, which by the way his being Jewish seems only incidental here. I could not confirm that Rutherford was Jewish and so I just have that one reference.

If I come up with something more definite I will. Your point is well taken. However, I think my position is valid to contradict Funky D's presumption that I was simply lying about Russell being Jewish when he at least could have checked out that detail before simply dismissing it, especially in the absence of anyone else directly contradicting this point about Russell or providing some other family tree information. Or perhaps my only point is I did not originate that possibility--it did come from another reference, however, questionable.

A final point of reference, MY OPINION, is that information about Illuminati activities or the like is usually to inform their own members or others actually participating in the secret socities and rarely to whistle-blow on these secret societies. Thus posing as an opposing "but crazy" person is often how this is done...and it's "very Jewish". Is Springmeier Jewish too?

In a way, I'm doing the same thing and so is God, allegedly. Christ is suppose to arrive 'in the clouds" and "as a thief" and all that. If too many people believed me then I couldn't get anything done and I'd lose my privacy. By staying in the potential category of being insane or crazy or ridiculous I basically can say what I want and only the people who really need the information anyway will understand it's valid. That is, I don't encourage it, but probably do a little "courting" of the insanity, even now (like publishing recent pictures of myself in drag...just as a few borderliners were about to believe, right?) So I wouldn't put it past Springmeier sensationalizing his personal behavior and background to create an escape clause for most people from paying attention to the details of his research. In fact, maybe the Illuminati SELECTED someone with his background to do just that, publish the details they needed published by a crazy person or a person without credibility so that the masses wouldn't know the difference, but the insiders would--the information is still there. It's part of "hiding in plain sight".

ACTS 13:41 "Behold it, you scorners, and wonder at it, and vanish away, because I am working a work in your days, a work that you will by NO MEANS BELIEVE even if anyone relates it to you in detail."

Christ at the second coming arrives as a STONE OF STUMBLING for the non-believers. He's designed as a sieve, to keep as many undeserving people OUT of the kingdom as providing room for those "gems of the earth" whom he wants in the kingdom.

JC

64

Anointed Class? What Anointed Class?

by never_a_jw in

please, take the time to read this:.

the wts teaches that only the anointed 144,000 seen in revelation 7 will enter heaven (the "anointed class"), while the remainder that are not annihilated (the "other sheep") will live forever on earth in paradise.

however, the bible poses some irreconcilable difficulties with this idea.

JCanon

I found this on the internet by doing a search of Russell and bloodline. There's lots of stuff on it, but this basically would have to be contradicted about Russell and his Jewish roots. Of note this is WHERE this information comes from and not something I just made up, even though it still might be challenged.

C.T. RUSSELL?S STORY
Once there was a Jewish family whose name was Roessel. They lived in early 17th century Germany. They moved to a country called Scotland. There they re-spelled the name Russell. They took on the ways of their new homeland. The English tried to settle Protestants from Scotland in Ireland in order to control the Irish. When the opportunity opened up to go to the Emerald Island (Ireland) with the Scottish settlers who went to the plantation Ulster they went. It is possible, but not known for sure that they learned to know the Rutherford's either in Scotland or Ireland. Scotland repeatedly appears as the source of much of the religious heresy connected with the Power. That C . T. Russell?s family were in Scotland for a period, and also from the German states which seem to be a hot bed for Jewish Satanism may be only a coincidence and then again it might be a clue to understanding the origin of the Watchtower Society. This Author?s previous book The Watchtower and the Masons tells the story how the Arian heresy began at the University of Edinburgh, Scotland and spread to the the Presbyterians of the Synod of Ulster. The book gives this Author?s reasons for believing that the C . T. Russell?s family in northern Ireland were Arian in belief before coming to the U. S. and chances are they were involved with Freemasonry also.

Do a net search for more information..... PLEASE, FOLKS, DO YOUR RESEARCH FIRST...it's not that difficult.

J.C.

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Anointed Class? What Anointed Class?

by never_a_jw in

please, take the time to read this:.

the wts teaches that only the anointed 144,000 seen in revelation 7 will enter heaven (the "anointed class"), while the remainder that are not annihilated (the "other sheep") will live forever on earth in paradise.

however, the bible poses some irreconcilable difficulties with this idea.

JCanon

Hi Never, welcome to the board. Russell wasn't a Jew; like Earnest said "His parents were Presbyterians of Scottish-Irish descent".
JCanon is quite mad and believes himself to be the Messiah so I wouldn't put too much stock in anything he says.

Hi Funky D, et al. I didn't make it up. I found a reference about about Russell being a Jew as well as Rutherford. I couldn't confirm Rutherford was Jewish but there is documentation that Russell was. His parents were originally "Roessel" and changed their name (like many Jews) when they went to Ireland. One reference that discusses the Freemasons and Illuminati and the connection between JWs discusses some of the older families and Russell is one of them and it extensively discusses the family tree of Russell. I'll hunt down the reference and post it.

What concerns me is that this is something that could probably easily be found on the internet and checked out. Trusting that I'm crazy and a lunatic as your best defense against anything I say, however, simply isn't good enough. You should look some of this stuff up FIRST.

I'm going to do a search for "Russell jew family line freemason" and see what I come up with. I think it is connected with "mind control" and all that stuff related to the organization. As far as his "religion" goes, that's one thing. This concerns his actual racial background, i.e. descendant from Abraham, etc. as a "Jew".

JC

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The Crucifixion in History

by hooberus in

encyclopedia brittanica micropaedia vol.

"there were various methods of performing the execution.

usually, the condemned man, after being whipped, or "scourged," dragged the crossbeam of his cross to the place of punishment, where the upright shaft was already fixed in the ground.

JCanon

It is interesting these challenges to the NT are coming forward, but likely empty challenges since per Scripture both the largest contributors to the NT, John and Paul never died but survived through the ages until our day. It would seem part of the reason for that survival (along with others, of course) was to preserve some members of the original Christian congregation and to safeguard some irreplaceable ancient records which, at some time presumably they would come to light to establish the authentic truth. Granted most will automatically dismiss this as fancy but if we presume Christ thought this through and used secret societies of Christians to preserve ancient records through the ages then we have to suppose that they will surface at some point. Just a note of caution before we go off the deep end with clever arguments and speculative documents prophesied to arrive at the time of the "apostasy".

JC

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" Nobody knows the day or the hour..accept the father".

by gumby in

ahhh!

but how about the year?????

i always wondered if those that predict the year of the lords return......somehow feel justified, that they would not be going against jesus words if they mearly predicted the year.....and not the day or hour.

JCanon

Every eye shall see Him, but not every eye will "recognize what it sees".

This will be a matter of interpretation, of course, but BOTH references to those seeing him are in the context of the "tribes of the EARTH".

Matthew 24:30: "Then ALL THE TRIBES OF THE EARTH will beat themselves in lamentation.."

Revelation 1:7: "Look, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the TRIBES OF THE EARTH will beat themselves in grief because of him."

I won't go into detail here, but "earth" is symbolically used in Revelation to contrast with the "sea". For instance, the 666-Beast comes out of the "sea" and the Lamb-Dragon beast comes out of the "earth". Thus the earth is associated with God's organization specifically and the "tribes of the earth" who would see him would be those specifically who would mourn over him, thus the eagles gathered around the CORPSE of Christ's body.

So you can Biblcially get around the Bible saying that every person on earth would see him and then mourn over him if "tribes of the earth" is a special reference to those anointed followers of Christ during the last times simply being referred to as the "tribes of the EARTH" earth not meaning the whole world but something associated with Jehovah's organization. The "sea" in Revelation is a reference to Christendom. The 666-Beast represents the leaders of Christendom and believers in the trinity doctrine. The Lamb-Dragon beast is a "false prophet" as well but comes out of the earth and thus represents the false prophets coming out of Jehovah's recognized organization, the leaders of the JWs, who would be the apostate Governing Body of JW (i.e. he rises up in the temple of THE God and makes himself a God="The Faithful and Discrete Slave" god).

Anyway, the LITERAL fulfillment is that the sign of the son of man would appear as images in the clouds that all the anointed members of the "tribes of the earth" would see individually, thus every eye would see him via that imagery in that sense. The MOURNING over him has to do with the fact that the Messiah takes up the body of the prodigal son at the second coming, one of his anointed followers who at one point abandons God like the prodigal son and becomes spiritually dead but then comes back and is still chosen as the Messiah. Thus the anointed follow him throughout his life from birth and when they see him die spiritually they mourn over him and beat themselves in lamentation. You don't lament or mourn over somebody not dead. "Where the CORPSE IS, so the eagles will be gathered." The CORPSE? How is Christ a CORPSE? It's a reference to the death of the prodigal son who later becomes the Messiah, that's why they are mourning, otherwise, they would be happy Christ returned, right?

It's interesting, though now the anointed "eagle" tribes of the earth know about him and follow him even before he himself knows he will become the Messiah and they watch him even while he sins against God and becomes spiritually dead. Thus this individual must have been identified from birth and followed by the secret organizations throughout his life as they watched on: "Where the CORPSE IS, so the eagles will be gathered..." likely protecting him and maneuvering events so that all the Bible's prophecies were fulfilled about him. All in secret...all "with the clouds" (unseen, clouded).

I know this is hard to believe since it is so far out of context of what is generally thought, but just wanted to add this alternative view.

JC

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Jesus and the two criminals dying beside him.....

by sandy in

i have been watching a couple of the movies retelling the life of christ and i was wondering about the words jesus said to the criminal who asked him to remember him.. the king james version reads: and jesus said unto him, "verily i say unto thee, today shalt thou be with me in paradise" luke 23:43. the new world translation reads: and he said to him "truly i tell you today, you will be with me in paradise.

" luke 23:43. the movie i was watching quoted or at least was closer to the king james version.

maybe i am wrong but the same scriptures seem to imply two different things.

JCanon

You know, this is interesting.

I'm wondering now if Jesus wasn't being allegorical here for the sake of comforting this man. That is, since he would die one moment and wake up the next some 3000 years later after all those years of unconsciousness, it would seem like to him it was the same day. SUBJECTIVELY he would die and wake up the same day. So maybe Jesus was saying it would seem like the same day he would be with Jesus in paradise.

ON PARADISE: Just to clarify this a bit. Jesus will be present in person on the earth and in the flesh during the millennium. The only peple resurrected into the millennium back into the flesh are the anointed ones. This would not include this evildoer. After the millennial reign of Christ, Satan is let loose to test mankind again. Those who rebel with Satan will be destroyed along with Satan. THEN will come Judgment Day. But this still will be under paradisaic conditions. Thus Jesus was speaking of JUDGMENT DAY when this evildoer would come back and be in paradise.

TECHNICAL SAME DAY: Of course, there is the TECHNICAL PLAY ON WORDS here as well. After all, When it speaks of the CREATIVE DAYS, it says on the "seventh DAY God rested." So though a "day" could be many things, including 24 hours or 1000 years, it is also 7000 years. So maybe Christ was saying before the end of this Creative Day he would be with him in Paradise, particularly since Judgment Day comes at the very end of this Creative Day, which means Jesus was thinking about the chronology of the end of this Creative Day, but at the same time knowing the evil doer did not know that but would subjectively think it was the same day from the time he died to when he woke up, Jesus used those words. It would be true in both senses.

Hmmmmm.....

Thanks for posting this. This scripture works either way depending upon which "day" Jesus is referring to.

JC

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no sweaty blood

by peacefulpete in

we all remember the story in luke 22:44 where in jesus in agonizing prayer begins to sweat blood.

remember the extremely rare medical condition where a person being tortured can sweat blood that was cited as proof that the bible was true and how this should deepen our appreciation for the sacrifice of jesus?

well the footnote in the reference bible reveals that the earliest and best manuscripts of the nt do not have verses 43&44.

JCanon

Interesting theory about the original gospels and revisions and additions. I tend to think as above that the sweat was just described as falling "like blood" in droplets, as if there was a bleeding cut, and not that he was bleeding through his pores whether or not severe anguish causes such a rare physical condition.

The other thing that remains mysterious about the gospels and it's various versions is the belief of some that both John and Paul were among those who were not to die but would survive through the centuries until Jesus returned. John and Paul are the largest contributors to the NT. So I believe, though they existed in an underground society after they outlived their reasonable old age, is that they made enough copies or whatever to basically assure a consistent NT when it would begin to be copied again. Some of the variations might have been added later authoritatively, therefore, and perhaps is a check against finding the original copied origin (i.e. say there were copies being made of the letters and gospels and for some reason there was a need to trace a copy so a varying verse was added or omitted. Later on, you could tell where the copy came from..??)

As far as the other gospels and what they say about Jesus being married an all that, it's a moot point since they contradict the current gospels and so you have to dismiss one or the other. But the "Da Vinci Code" and the focus on the Knights Templar and Priory of Sion is quite interesting since we know that Russell used the KNIGHTS TEMPLAR emblem on the front of the Watchtower, did he not?

Now it's obvious to me that even if he claimed not to be a Freemason officially, that if there were some out there who were secret members of an underground Knights of Templar society they would come into the WTS organization as a cover organization if the symbols were right there on the front of the Watchtower! Of course, the winged disk as well was a sign of secret cultic goings on for the organization. But I think there is a twist to all this:

KNIGHTS TEMPLAR AND HOLY GRAIL: Obviously this organization did exist and allegedly amassed lots of money and apparently there were secret documents involved and the idea of the bloodline of Jesus going on. But I think that probably it was known in some circles that John had not died and was surviving along with Jesus' mother, Mary! Jesus told John to take care of his mother. We presume until she would have died, but maybe this is the Bible telling us that Mary would not ever die and since John was chosen not to die as well, he was assigning the care of his mother to John! Thus you have two people with the same lineage as Jesus (John was the cousin of Jesus through the same line as Mary) allegedly still alive, allegedly carrying papers confirming their lineage and who knows what else they thought would be valuable to show up in these last days to combat lots of false testimony? This might explain the quest for the Holy Grail was really a quest to find the original John and Mary. As explained by Brown in "The DaVinci Code", John in the "Last Supper" by DaVicinci is shown to be very effeminate and the Grail was said to be this chalice that Jesus gave to John at the Last Supper, later used to gather the blood of Jesus on the cross. But this is just allegory that John carried the royal blood and he was still alive. Thus the search for the Holy Grail is not for Mary Magdalene, which is just a cover, it's actually for John himself who was had been substituted historically by Mary Magdalene.

Question is, were the Knights of Templar dedicated to preserving and keeping safe John and Mary or destroying them? Thus was the WATCHTOWER's use of Knights of Templar symbolism a sign for many of the surviving ones from the 1st century to find safe haven in the WTS organization, which did end up being God's chosen organization, or perhaps a sign that this organization would secretly be used to try and find and destroy John and Mary and whatever documents they may have preserved? Brown's book was about these documents allegedly being exposed finally and the Catholic Church trying to suppress it or whatever. After reading the book I was amazed that some of the beliefs of the Knights of Templar, particularly being anti-Catholic were very much the same as the Knights of Templar believed, likely an origin of those beliefs. But so many other pagan beliefs associated with goddess worship clouds the issue. I tend to think the latter, that the organization was corrupted by some form of the secret Knights Templar or Freemasonry related members who themselves might believe that John and Mary still exist and would like to find them, thus the true search for the HOLY GRAIL, SANG REAL (BLOOD ROYAL) is for the original John and Mary who carry the royal bloodline of Jesus, and not Mary Magdalene and her children, though that's an interesting cover twist. And that's a twist for two reasons: 1) Because the NT gospels says that Jesus was unmarried, and 2) Because Jesus was a EUNUCH and in love with his cousin John. John was the love of his life...another man. Do I need to elaborate? So basically the Mary Magdalene connection is way off base. Jesus was called the "Nazarene" because it relates to "Branch Town" or "Twig Town" which is a sly reference to his being considered a "twig" or a eunuch, otherwise in modern times, a person of "gay" persuasion, though obviously not a practicing homosexual, but a man not attracted to women as most straight men would be. Certainly, it will be interesting if John and Mary show up with documents in hand would it not, preserved from the 1st century? And why not?!!! Why wouldn't Jesus figure out that maybe some original documents would be necessary during the last days to dispel an aggressive counter-christ movement with all kinds of fabricated documents and whatnot? Among those, a couple of original versions of the gospels.

JC

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" Nobody knows the day or the hour..accept the father".

by gumby in

ahhh!

but how about the year?????

i always wondered if those that predict the year of the lords return......somehow feel justified, that they would not be going against jesus words if they mearly predicted the year.....and not the day or hour.

JCanon

Nobody knowing the DAY nor HOUR is a play on words and concepts like "every eye would see him of the TRIBES OF THE EARTH" suggests everyone on the earth would see Jesus or the "sign" but in fact it is limited. Even the WTS recognizes that the "every eye" would refer to only those who would be his followers, those who would mourn him.

Likewise, the DAY nor HOUR is also a play on words since several Bible chronologies are provided to establish the specific YEAR of both the first and second coming as follows:

1) 1335 days prophecy, 45 years after the "end of the gentile times" which ends 1290 days (Daniel 12) would determine when the Messiah would arrive. "Happy is the one who KEEPS IN EXPECTATION OF THE 1335 DAYS". If we were not supposed to be counting days and "nobody knows the DAY.." then why was this 1335 days given? The "end of the gentile times" or the "appointed times of the nations ended when the nations stopped ruling over Palestine and returned it to the Jews. That was 1947; that ended 1290 days. Add 45 "days"/years to that to get the year of the second coming-1992.

This is cross-matched with two other year-specific prophecies.

2) The "7 times" prpohecy, of course, well-known to Jehovah's witnesses established 2520 years from the fall of Jerusalem until the second coming. The fall of Jerusalem dated either in 607BCE, 587BCE or 529BCE gives you your pick: 1914, 1934 or 1992, respectively.

3) Finally, the Messiah arrifes twice during the 70th week. The first 70th week is was from 29-36CE. Each 70th week a form of ending "gift and sacrifice" takes place at mid-week. For the first coming Christ leaves at mid-week, his death ending the symbolic animal sacrifices. The second 70th week he arrives to end the annual Lord's supper which is the new form of "gift and sacrifice" being celebrated, to be kept by his followers until he arrives when he eats with them one last time upon his arrival. This allows us to date the second coming during the year of the mif-week passover of the 70th week occurring, obviously, during the "last days". You can't miss this since it only occurs every 490 years. But very simple to calculate. Simply count 490-year periods from 36CE down to our day, which is 1960 years. 1960 plus 36 is 1996 and thus the last days 70th week is from 1989 to 1996 with mid-week passover occurring April 6, 1993. Thus Christ must arrive no earlier than Passover 1992 but no later than Passover 1993 to eat the final "Lord's supper".

Taking into consideration the above, therefore, while "nobody knows the DAY nor HOUR", we can determine the MONTH and YEAR. That is, a 4-month period from November 30, 1992 to April 6, 1993 is when the Messiah would appear per fulfilled Bible prophecy (Nov. 30, 1947 is when the gentile times officially ended with the Partition Agreement assigning Palestine back to the Jews so that they had a country again).

As noted above, this does not violate the specific word of scripture that nobody knows the day nor hour. To further this reference, though, in actually, since the Messiah's return would occur over a 3-day period, again, nobody would know the day nor hour, but it was sometime between December 24-26, 1992.

JC

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Thomas' shout in Jn 20:28 against Ex 20:3 and in relation to Jn 13:19

by grzesiek32 in

jn 20:28 .

"my lord and my god" .

(niv).

JCanon

Things are a little different for the Jews pre-Christian than post-Christian times.

God set Jesus Christ up as the new god to be worshipped by everybody in both heaven and earth save himself. "Every knee must bend". Thus Jesus now is a recognized "god" set up to be worshipped by the Creator. "Every knee bends to him"...and then he bows to God.

So I suppose, at the time of the millennium the worship of the creator involves polytheism, but it's with god's permission. You can't get to the Father unless you come through the son. By worshipping the son, you recognize his father, etc.

Thus this "my God" is appropriate and a non-issue.

JC