Posts by Diogenesister

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No Soliciting signage and JW Policy

by Oubliette in

does anyone have a copy of the boe letter directing publishers to not go into apartment complexes and/or condominium complexes with no soliciting signs?

i ask because yesterday and buttheaded jw (that obviously had no idea who i am or my past) was knocking on doors in our condo complex.

he would have had to drive past a sign which clearly states "no solicitation or material distribution.".

Diogenesister

Where I live in the UK we have something called a "no cold calling" sign up for certain areas - so whatever you are doing you cannot call without prior arrangement. It tends to be areas with high elderly ratio or in our case many half way homes for learning disabled folk - in other words to protect the vulnerable from pushy/dodgy doorstep sales.

Should apply to cults but since it's my step dads brainchild and he helped formulate the legal side and push it through parliament I'm gonna ask when I see him boxing day.

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Rivalry among the sisters

by Esmeralda001 in

when i was first introduced to the "truth", i was so distracted by the love and affection that the members were showing me that i was ready to convert into the religion without thinking twice.

i was conviced that jws were god's people (i still think some of them are).

i made it my goal to get baptized as i wanted to be part of the "only" religion that produce such good people.

Diogenesister

I find the opposite these days..... they dress up to the nines because its the only thing they have to spend their money on. JW women have zero mental stimulation, its cruel. People are like kids ....the busier and more fulfilled they are the mukier they generally look as its lower on their list of priorities.Where I live in London only the poor and their kids "dress up" for everyday stuff.......same principal.

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A rhetorical analysis of the Sept. KM Question Box

by Leolaia in

some have pursued an independent group study of biblical hebrew and greek so as to analyze the accuracy of the new world translation.

they have also held conferences and produced publications to present their findings and to supplement what is provided at our christian meetings and through our literature.. throughout the earth, jehovah's people are receiving ample spiritual instruction and encouragement at congregation meetings, assemblies, and conventions, as well as through the publications of jehovah's organization.

rather, the claim is implicit.

Diogenesister

elderelite5 years ago

Sombody with enough knowledge or who is willing to take time to learn about mormons needs to rewrite this! that is an excellent idea and one that has HUGE potential. Nothing will work on everyone and nothing is a surefire but I think that could have a huge impact on some, to read that as written for mormons and then be told its true origins...

Agreed, something to add to the arsenal at our disposal. There is a poster on this site who is an ex Mormon. I will see if I can contact him.

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Proof that the lingiusts are lying about words used in the bible IE: Shaddai, Angels, Elohim, Yhwh?

by Crazyguy in

in 1967 an archeologist found at tell el-deir alla an inscription that they called the book of balaam son of beor.

this looks to be about the same balaam that's talked about in the bible book of numbers.

remember the guy where his donkey is talking to him.

Diogenesister

Crazyguy may I ask what you study please? And you also full-time student?

Fascinating stuff. I was always given to understand Shaddai meant mountains, so rarther than the plural Elhoim representing a single god of majesty, a kind of "royal we", it actually may simply mean GODS (of the mountains). Occam's razor and all that! I also read somewhere that yahweh maybe Baal, the son of el, and the host of heaven referring to the many gods of heaven...not as in god and his angels. Does anyone have anymore info..I will definitely look into the book full-time student mentions.

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Wow...not even sure this qualifies as a "fade"

by respectful_observer in

i'm posting this both as an anecdote and also to see if, by chance, this person reads this site.

(if you do, it'd be great to catch up since you now live fairly close to me!).

i've got a friend who until very recently was actively serving as an elder in hall close to bethel, and on a body heavy with bethelites.

Diogenesister

Hope he's OK.

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Local Needs part given after Ministerial Servant left the organization

by cappytan in

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friends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbb8rt2bem8.

some crazy cult language in this talk.. some highlights:.

18:15 - obey.

Diogenesister

Hang on, he said Why couldn't Two IMPERFECT people obey one simple command......, I thought they were PERFECT until they ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and bad. ?

Edit: I guess he did not want to say why couldn't two perfect people obey one simple commsnd as it would have sounded as stupid as it actually DOES sound

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Relatives who work in Warwick are visiting

by cappytan in

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friends

so i have some relatives who work in warwick visiting us this week.

the visit has been largely drama free.

they came between meeting days, so the subject of going to the meetings never came up.. however, they have been talking about the "downsizing.".

Diogenesister

Get a load of Oubliette's picture...no surprise at the person sitting at the head of the table...123..WHOSE THE DADDY?!!

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Request for Research Help: WTS Views on Intersex Individuals

by Oubliette in

request for research help: .

several recent threads have gotten me started on an essay and i need some research help.

does anyone have access to anything the wt has ever published on intersex people (they might have used the now-outdated term: hermaphrodite)?

Diogenesister

I always used to bring this up with dubs when they start any rants about sexuality..I heard a statistic that 1 in a hundred kids is born with both sets, or parts, of genitals to some extent...and that doesn't include the one's whose endocrine system is out of sync with their tackle..

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In Judas' Defense

by opusdei1972 in

i have read in jw.org that the governing body affirms that judas has been eternally condemned:.

did judas iscariot commit an unforgivable sin?.

his greed moved him to steal money that had been donated for a sacred use.

Diogenesister

That was Oscar Wilde's argument , that Judas was the one true sacrificial lamb:

Someone had to betray Jesus for gods purpose to be fulfilled

Satan entered him, like Adam it was Satan's fault

So Judas therefore had no freewill..he was a pawn

Unlike Jesus' temporary death, Judas' death is permanent

Therefore it's Judas we have to thank for our salvation.

If, of course, any of it is true.

These 1st century Jews were not the best philosophers....let's face it their reasoning is easily taken apart. This 300 years after Socrates death too...very poor show!

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This Cult Should Be Called to Account

by berrygerry in

the emotions from this are surreal:.

(kudos for the kid to record it).

https://soundcloud.com/throwawayjw1914_2/abuse.

Diogenesister

This women's reaction leads me to think she knows there are issues with her religion..she cannot handle the fact she has wasted her life on BS. What an unloving b*#ch, I would love to be part of a community of atheist refuge's for kids in situations like this. We need something like a "secular shelter" for kids suffering from religiously abusive homes. Horrible.