Posts by Diogenesister

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Short stay

by midnight in

after much research and prayer i am returning to being a jehovah's witness i can find nothing that eliminates them from being god's directed people , in the end they will reach the end of there journey despite mistakes and errors just like the israelites entered the promised land , thanks for your input and all the best on your personal journey ☺.

midnight..

Diogenesister

I notice you mention your wife wishes to be " zealous and have friends around"as if the two are synonymous , I believe this may be the crux of the matter. In the JW world they are. Do you think the first century apostles preached to have a social life? Cults withdraw their love and friendship the further you stray - the bible teaches to *give love* the further the sheep stray.

The Watchtower bible has changed the translations In many important ways.( my personal bugbear is " gifts in men" ( elders) when it's gifts unto men. Just Google it or do a search on here for their many changes to fit their doctrine , including of course the insertion of the made up name Jehovah in the New testament.

Please don't let the natural need for companionship lead you to a lifetime of pointless servitude I wish you all the best.

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Update to UK “Child Safeguarding Policy”

by wifibandit in

a known poster on this site (anon) says:.

i have just received a text from an elder i've known for decades in my circuit who has some sympathy for my feelings and who is aware of the arc, the uk charity commission, etc., etc.

here it is verbatim, and my reply.

Diogenesister

Blondie the perfect scripture. you are saying their sticking to the minutiae of ~~their~~ the law is unChristian when a child is at risk. In this case God's law and secular law have the same intended outcome.

I wonder would reading that scripture induce any shame in these corporate yes men??

I notice they allow for a non parental women to be present - although they don't say so in so many words,don't want the word to get out that its inappropriate for an abused child to give evidence to two strange, unqualified men. No mention also that the poor child is likely to have to give a statement again to authorities! Why make the child endure it twice - leave it to the professionals the first time!!!

I also love the way they say that if an abuser "associates with the jehovahs witnesses"!! Hang on they are a jehovahs witness or this legalese wouldn't apply!...oftentimes an MS or elder! Of course they love to use their get-out clause that the culprit "/is not a real witness". Wel why are Catholic abusers " not real Catholics" then!

Why are these (very poor)improvements not being enacted in all witness " lands". Two words - taxable income. They are under pressure from the Charity commission to get their child safeguarding policy in line, or potentially loose their charitable status in the UK.

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"Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth."

by pale.emperor in

now that im not longer a jw this verse puzzles me.

being born and raised a witness, this verse confirmed to me that jesus was talking about a paradise on earth.

but now that everything the witnesses taught is 99.99% incorrect can somone explain what he was getting at here?

Diogenesister

I believe most denominations believe in the thousand year earthly kingdom - so presumably think it relates to that? I may be wrong.

Isn't it arrogant of the "anointed" GB to believe a scripture that brings comfort to the humble ones cannot of course relate to them...it has to relate to the oh-so- meek GB [ sarcasm]

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Aron-Ra: Meteorology and the Flood

by schnell in

a few days ago, aron-ra posted a new video commencing what he promises to be a new series debunking the noachian flood.

he did this despite the fact that every adult should know it didn't happen, and yet many do.. i'd like to remind everyone what the insight book says: .

the genesis account of creation tells how on the second “day” jehovah made an expanse about the earth, and this expanse (called “heaven”) formed a division between the waters below it, that is, the oceans, and the waters above it.

Diogenesister

Thinking back to the biblical account as described by the witnesses in the Insight book, it seems God had prepared this expanse of water just so he could provide a deluge....if so that is predestination - so much for free will.

Its also interesting that the Bible describes "An earth standing compactly out of water in the midst of water..." very much sounds like they believed in one landmass. The American and Australian continents not having been discovered yet by Middle Eastern humans demonstrates again that humans authored the Bible.

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Th e Elders collect money from the dead.

by punkofnice in

can't say too much but i here is something i'd like to share.. a relative of mine was an elder and pledged a lot of money to help buy a new kingdom hell in the area.

he died 10 years ago.

only 3 years ago the elders went to his old aged, pensioner widow and asked for the money.

Diogenesister

Punkofnice you're not thinking of loosing your good name if you find out who this BOE is, by going and giving him a good punch on the beezer...cos if so I'll hold yer coat for you!

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Just a dumb question. A minor was df in our cong 15 yrs old

by poopie in

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the question is can her mother and father who are witnesses greet her in the morning only or would they be a sharer in her wicked deeds and thus also be df for saying a greeting?.

Diogenesister

Poop they are unChristian monsters. You are too good for them.

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Mexico branch......Now closing!!!

by krismalone in

a circuit overseer friend of mine serving in latin america called me today to say hi.

i asked him what's new and he dropped the news that they have received notification that the branch in mexico will be closing!!

this branch also called the central american branch (although located in mexico) oversees all of mexico's 800,000+ publishers plus all 7 countries of central america of over 100,000 publishers.

Diogenesister

Someone mentioned careers for women.

JW's love to think they're Jews anyway, so why not follow the orthodox rabbinical Jewish way? CO's ~~Rabbi's~~cover a fixed area permenantly and the *missis* supports the CO. With a glut of eligible women in the Org....all ambitious young prospective COs will have to bag themselves a well-off or hard working wife to support them. I guarantee there won't be a shortage of sacrificial virgin's to the ~~Org~~ cause.

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Watchtower and Theseus' Paradox

by jwabuse.com in

came across this today researching something for work, and thought it was an interesting thought when applied to wt.

with so many fundamental changes and revisions, can they even be correctly viewed as what they are perceived as by active jws?

if your baptism was an oath of loyalty to the organization, which organization?

Diogenesister

It's the old " Ship of Theseus" paradox.

If a old ship is repaired by replacing each worn part with a New one, until eventually none of the original parts are left, is it still the original ship? Or a completely new one? Despite having the same name?

Brilliant @jwabuse!!!

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Irregular to meetings, can I partake in memorial?

by Squekylive in

hi friends .

i don't believe in jw doctrines anymore but because of family i have to be a jw for now.. i am not regular to meetings, and don't answer in meeting, but i report some hours so i remain as active jw now.. .

congregation knows that i am not spiritual and i don't talk to people and i don't care what they think about me.. now, i believe it's important to observe lord's supper as a christian as per john 6:53, so in the coming memorial if i attend i want to partake in the communion,.. i believe it is a sin to pass the bread and wine inspite of knowing it's flesh and blood of jesus.. it's like rejecting jesus.. so i want to partake.. but i dont consider i am anointed etc.

Diogenesister

I don't think most people have " got" what it is your saying/ asking. As some have suggested you could observe the memorial in the privacy of your own home, put that doesn't solve the issue of what to do at the memorial.

If you feel it is a rejection/ insult to Christ to pass the bread and wine over, then do partake. As a JW in good standing they will most definitely "count" you as believing you are one of The anointed. Just let them believe what they wish.

What you must NOT do if you don't want to be DF is say you DO NOT believe you are anointed but that Jesus IS your mediator. You will be seen as rejecting WTBTS doctrine.

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Individual Duds absolutely cannot learn the "truth" on their own"???

by James Mixon in

why is it that i understand the bible more clearly today then all my years in the organization (jw)???

?many religious people believe the average person cannot understand the bible..maybe the reasons (1) they may have tried to study the bible and found it difficult, so they gave up.

(2) maybe they believe truth is subjective;so whatever you believe,that is truth for you.

Diogenesister

Smiddy agree 100%