Posts by Diogenesister

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Why the vitriolic hate?

by stuckinarut2 in

i am sure we have all thought of this before, but it struck me again today:.

why does the society promote such vitriolic hate toward, and about those who have left "the truth" ?.

surely it is obvious that such critical attitudes towards ones like us who have left, only serves to proove that they do not have "the truth"?.

Diogenesister

Jo-Ho pale emperor "Similar practices ... have been recognized by courts of law as a fundamental right."

Courts of law? Yeah, maybe a "judicial" court held in the back room. To the rest of the world and humanity, this very practice is a VIOLATION of basic human rights.

Unfortunately, Jo-Ho, I think what they mean is that under our present ' Common laws', well certainly in the US and the UK etc , religious groups have the right to expell members as they are considered as "private clubs" to which members sign up, and agree to, the rules when they get baptised.

In other words, we do not have recourse to the legal system when they choose to disfellowship us. Stinks I know.

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Why the vitriolic hate?

by stuckinarut2 in

i am sure we have all thought of this before, but it struck me again today:.

why does the society promote such vitriolic hate toward, and about those who have left "the truth" ?.

surely it is obvious that such critical attitudes towards ones like us who have left, only serves to proove that they do not have "the truth"?.

Diogenesister

Punkofnice righteous indignation(tm)',

Punk, when we were young-'uns ( and we come from the same part of the world) that was the term used if you disapproved anything, or one.

It is my concurrence that the Borg is becoming more and more cult-like, especially in the last 25 years. Now, they are told not only to hate what is bad but to HATE the person, as well.Something Jesus never taught, and neither were we, as kids.

The vitriol is getting worse.

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Has anyone else recently been contacted by a once close JW friend or relative? Could this be a new JW tactic?

by Latte in

hmmmm...yesterday my long life friend called my landline after many years of silence.

now the shock has subsided, i am wondering if i can forgive and forget the fact she chose not to keep in touch throughout a time in my life which was very stressful.

sadly, i gathered that she is still involved with jehovah’s witness faith.

Diogenesister

Well they've printed a return to Jehovah booklet last year, and some have heard from people still in....

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West Springfield, MA Congregation

by ryebass in

looking for anyone who was a regular at this congregation back in the 70's and 80's; my father just passed away and these were golden years for me (inextricable from my youth) despite any ill-feeling or resentment i may hold towards the faith at this point in my life (my father remained a witness until his death a few days ago).. thanks in advance.

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Diogenesister

I'm in the UK but I'm sorry for your loss and I can certainly empathize with the emotions associated with the stirrings of golden memories.

If only.....I'm so sorry, I really am. I feel ya.

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Beautiful new kingdom song

by slimboyfat in

has anyone noticed this new song?

i think it's absolutely beautiful.

it's got a film score quality about it, with depth and feeling.

Diogenesister

Nice enough song, I wouldn't describe it in the fawning terms you have tho' SBF.

Me thinks you've been a little mischievous lately, sir.

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2017 Convention Recording: JWs Applaud 10yo Girl For Shunning Her Own Sister

by pale.emperor in

this poor girl was baptized at 9yo.

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she isnt old enough to buy alcohol, to vote, to decide her own medical treatment, to buy a pet, to travel alone... yet she was deemed old enough to dedicate her life to a religion that will cut her off from her family if she ever leaves.. here she is applauded for shunning her own sister who tried to keep in contact with her after waking up.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yzgnfda8ki.

Diogenesister

Flipper No emotion, no expression of feeling on her face- not until she hears the applause from the audience - THEN she smiles due to the cult approval of her shunning her dfed sister. So freaking creepy.

She's been scripted, coaxed into doing it - as you say for that little bit of approval at the end.

She totally lit up when they clapped. JW's are taught from a young age they are worthless individuals - evil, broken sinners - in everything about yourselves outside slaving for Jehovahs organization. So very sad the only encouragement and approval she gets will not be for sports, music, schoolwork, or just generally being a great little person. No. The only pat on the back she will EVER get is for being a submissive work horse for a cult.

I could cry.

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Watchtower's unscriptual boasting about works

by Diogenesister in

nothing big here, just a little musing on this scripture at ephesians 2.8-9 that definately states that only faith saves, not works, in case men start to boast about their amazing works.

"8for by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of god, 9not of works, that no one would boast.

well my word, i would definately say witnesses *do nothing but boast*, especially now on jw broadcast.

Diogenesister

Nothing big here, just a little musing on this scripture at Ephesians 2.8-9 that definately states that only faith saves, not works, in case men start to boast about their amazing works."8for by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not of works, that no one would boast. "

Well my word, I would definately say Witnesses *do nothing but boast*, especially now on jw Broadcast. In fact many exJW'S call KH meetings " boasting sessions" LoL!

"What group of people are preaching that message in “all the nations”? The answer is obvious—only Jehovah’s Witnesses". Watchtower May 16 2016

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This is why the Elders should always call the WT society or personal attorney before ever talking to the Police.

by StoneWall in

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this is probably going to unnerve some on here or make them uncomfortable.we always hear, why didn't the elders call the cops first instead of the wt society (lawyers/attorneys).

in cases of child molestation or other incidents.this video is why and if you're smart you'll follow their example.i'm not taking the wtbts side on this just so you know in advance because i do not agree with the two witness rule at all.but be that as it may,this is by far the best lawyer/attorney and law professor i've ever heard on the subject of why you should never talk to the police and always let an investigation be made through counsel.this is why in the usa you have the right to remain silent when talking to police/authorities but even more important what the fifth amendment really entails and why it would behoove us all to understand what can happen even if you are totally innocent and have nothing to hide but how things can go horribly wrong.if i ever have to go to court for anything i can only hope that i got a lawyer as competent as this one the vid is approx 46 minutes long but well worth investing that time because if you had to talk to a lawyer it would cost you a lot to receive what this professor covers in this.the majority is from the law professor and the remaining minutes are of a former police captain/investigator with his insights and opinions.and just to be clear, i'm not suggesting that the elders not call the police because they should in cases of child molestation but rather they better get legal advice to protect themselves so that they don't have to answer for the wtbts decisions.look how many former (ex) elders we have on sites like this one and others and i'm so happy they got free of the wt but also they didn't get in trouble by accidentally saying/doing the wrong thing.all of us can benefit by following this advice in the video and i hope you enjoy it and to know what your rights arehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xyp7ee.

Diogenesister

Stupid Australian women in US rang police and got shot by cops.

Chook I appreciate your sentiments, but I don't think you can call this poor women stupid. She thought an assault was taking place and she did the neighborly thing, what I have certainly been trained since childhood to do, call the police. I live in the UK where these days most cops are there to help their community and no policemen can carry firearms without extensive training and psychological testing.

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Why is Enoch referenced in the bible but his book omitted?

by Ursula in

why is enoch referenced in the bible but his book omitted?.

Diogenesister

SBF The book of Enoch is accepted... by the Ethiopian Orthodox Church.

I believe the E.O.C. accepts the most comprehensive list of apocryphal works. Interesting since it's the most ancient church.

I like the book of Enoch. It explains the real reason Soddam and Gomorrah was so reveiled. Apparently they did not follow the deeply venerated middle Eastern practice of HOSPITALITY. God became enraged when they condemned a daughter of Lott for rescuing a starving stranger in the town square. These were the crimes that cried out " clear up to heaven".

They gave no charity in the midst of their wealth, and had blood on their hands because of it.

Much like the WTBTS.

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So how did JF Rutherford function...?

by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

every picture i have seen at him at beth shirim and other private places are with a bottle of alcohol.. while for me personally i couldn't care less anymore.... for jw's this is low moral character.

so i'm an going to guess he was a functioning alcoholic... how did that work with his closest workers?

was he gay too?

Diogenesister

Jaydee Is that you? Or anyone else on this forum?

Very interesting about the shipping manifest- that she definitely travelled everywhere with him.

Regarding the video: Absoltely facinating. He reminds me of Jack Nicolson, the way he talks! Nice looking guy I imagine the women are real lookers in the family!

People are Definately more forthright these days. Sometimes that's a good thing, though, as it's very easy to bury the truth when you couch things in flowery language.