Posts by Diogenesister

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Recently Disfellowshipped

by PersonOfGlitter in

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hi i’m getting disfellowshipped on thursday and was wondering what advice those that have left have for me.

i’m not sure if i still believe or not.

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If not I highly recommend you take a look as it's extremely well researched and Paul only uses Watchtowers own publications. Please just do some research also into how undue influence works, in particular "thought stopping" sentences and the " B I.T.E." model...thats behaviour control, information control, thought control and emotional control. Steve Hassan wrote a book called " Combatting Cult mind control" that I highly recommend you read.

Of course the other must read is " Crises of Conscience" by Raymond Franz.

You will have extra time on your hands so spends some time investigating the history of your religion before you make any decisions.

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My "shameless" relationship with my ex wife

by Jayk in

i've thought about keeping this to myself but i'm still confused on what i should do.. my ex wife(never been a jw) and myself(raised in the org till 16)have been reconnecting these past few weeks.

we been divorced for almost 10 years, we got married when we where pretty young, and it didnt last long.. fast forward 10 years, her and i have been reconnecting and things are getting semi serious.. she got remarried, divorced again, and recently broke up with her gf.

so in the past 10 years she has only been with 3 people (including myself) and here comes me "a sucker with no self esteem".

Diogenesister

I agree with Dubstepped I think couples therapy is 100% the best idea. If I am to understand during your first marriage you were a witness and she was not, that couldn’t have been easy for her. As you say, you are a very different person now. Very young people are rarely equipped for marriage so they say second time around is best!

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2019--Two New Documents Arrived!

by Atlantis in

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2019 congregation field service and meeting attendance report-s-1-e. https://docdro.id/tosesq0.

2019 elders meet with regular pioneers--special pioneers-and field missionaries.-s-211-20-e. https://docdro.id/or4rg4l.

what is the teaching toolbox mentioned in above elders meeting documents?

Diogenesister

Now Jehovah is the Great Evangeliser. Oi vey. Poor Jesus isn’t even boss of his own good news.

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We pray for the governing body

by StephaneLaliberte in

since when has it become cool to pray for the gb?

i noticed that at the begining of my fade back in 2015, it had already been there for a good while and was already getting on my nerves.

i means, i grew up in it, but can't remember much further than the 90s and i don't remember this being always in the payers.

Diogenesister

FedupJW USA JW's commonly use a term which those in Europe don't - "The friends." Always sounded like cult-speak to me when I was in.

Yes they never said it in the UK that I remember back in the day.

Always "Brothers and Sisters."

That's another thing I've noticed, that nowadays 9 times out of 10 they just say "The Brothers" even when they are not specifically speaking about just brothers - like the elder body. They will say " The brothers in Russia are suffering persecution...." instead of " the brothers and sisters in Russia...." etc.

Or like OP is it me just being more alert to it?

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Steven Unthank and his work.

by WHATSGOINGON in

hi everyone, .

i have been trying really hard to find the court case transcript where steven unthank was in court in australia and one of the wt lawyers or a wt spokesperson said the faithful and discreet slave does not exist.. i hope that this is correct i remember reading about this a long while back and would love to get evidence of this.. i found steven on facebook and messaged him about 6 months ago and he didn't respond, he probably wants to let all this go, and i don't blame him for that.. any suggestions would be very much appreciated.. thanks wgo..

Diogenesister

Solaris 11So for those who want to verify whether or not Steven did actually take Watchtower to court then they can email the Victorian Magistrate's Court (Latrobe) in Australia and ask for the Court Judgement for Steven Unthank. This quick and inexpensive procedure is outlined in my previous posts.

Have you yourself done this? I take it you have or you wouldn't be so militant about it.

Could you please scan and publish the results of your enquiry?.

NB Smiddys character is not in question here. Smiddy is not a lawyer and the court case he attended may have been civil etc ie the details may be slightly different to those you are specifying. Your post is all about Mr Unthank not smiddy. Please back up your claim and post proof.

NB are you still a believing Jehovahs Witness, out of interest?

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Do you enjoy critical research ?

by Introvert 2 in

question, are you open to and enjoy doing critical research ?.

as a trades person with little education other than being a high school vocational graduate in machine shop tech.

1980 and now a small business owner i find proper research to be essential.

Diogenesister

Ben Shapiro is no more philosopher than I am.

His absurd mental block when it comes to religion is beyond the pale ( quite literally lol)

He eats with Dave Rubin and husband because he'll put it down to "business" which is sickening in my view. I highly doubt if it was anyone else he'd be so accommodating.

Marriage licences where first created to prevent inter racial marriage? Surely not...we have marriage licences in Europe. I'm more inclined to believe they were to prevent religious mixed marriage but I'll look into it as I've no idea really.

Edit: marriage licences were first created so that the usual period of notice ( banns) could be waivered

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My new life...

by Jaidubdub in

hi all, this site helped me wake up and a big thank you to all who participated.

just want to give you all an update of how things have changed (for the better).

pls excuse the long post.... i was a born in 3rd generation (on my mums side).

Diogenesister

Thats one of the most heart warming posts I've read in a long time! I'm so glad for you! I'm very sorry about your mother. It sounds like 'the best life ever' turned out to be awful for her. I'm so very very sorry. By the way I'm sure there would have been many men willing to have the pleasure of marrying you and having your dear mother as a mother-in-law - wheelchair bound or not. Don't put yourself down!! Personality is more important than circumstance!

Are you in touch with your DF sibling now, too?

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I speculate many Japanese PIMI are visiting apostate websites to collect information

by yoko N in

i run a japanese blog which exposes jw's hidden scandals.

child abuse issues, court cases which are never to be published on jw official website.

it is a very serious blog.

Diogenesister

I know it's difficult isn't it?! I'm so so glad that someone is out there helping the japanese jws because as you say they won't learn these things on JW.org. I've always thought that in many ways it must be harder for Japanese Jws because of the premium placed on education in Japan. I imagine the photo in your video of the young MS who becomes an elderly man having to work long hours in a fast food restaurant must really hit home to them.

Never-the-less it did look funny 😊👍

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Advanced Readers Comment

by vienne in

as separate identity v. 2, nears publication, it has generated some comments from advance readers, what writers tend to call "beta readers.

" one is posted to the history blog.

this is from a witness and reflects his point of view.

Diogenesister

I wouldn't have known this proof reader was a witness at all. Seems pretty thorough and only seems to have what I would term "technical" worries. Which I would assume all serious published works have. At least initially.

Am I right in thinking this book is no. 2 in a proposed trilogy?

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Unbelievable similarities: beautiful, empathetic interview with ex Mormon gal

by Diogenesister in

wonderfully warm interview from "stop the shunning" channel host beth, with ex mormon morgan ( ex morgan).. morgan describes her young life and the process of waking up or, in mormon parlance, her "shelf breaking".

there really are so many things we have in common, from young marriage to feeling personally responsible for saving everyone you have contact with that's not of your religion.

morgan also describes both her father, her husband and her own fear of losing family and loved ones at the same time as loosing her religion and difficulty we all have whilst pretending we still believe or being pimo.. highly recommended viewing.https://youtu.be/upxirjvtpec .

Diogenesister

Wonderfully warm interview from "Stop the Shunning" channel host Beth, with ex Mormon Morgan ( Ex Morgan).

Morgan describes her young life and the process of waking up or, in Mormon parlance, her "shelf breaking". There really are so many things we have in common, from young marriage to feeling personally responsible for saving everyone you have contact with that's not of your religion. Morgan also describes both her father, her husband and her own fear of losing family and loved ones at the same time as loosing her religion and difficulty we all have whilst pretending we still believe or being PiMO.

Highly recommended viewing.https://youtu.be/upxirjVTpec