Posts by Diogenesister

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Amber Scorah on TedEX

by wannaexit in

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7wfpaqcqcw.

Diogenesister

Interestingly I've been reading a book by a missionary who went to convert a tribe in the Amazon jungle that has many parallels with Amber's experience.

Because this was outlawed(like Amber) he went ostensibly for a Linguistic organization.

Just like Amber, he had time and space away from his conditioning and the tribe had such a different way of thinking, they converted him....well he left an athiest!!

Get this ....they had no words for numbers and no counting and no words for colours. They would say the frogs are bigger ( more frogs) and the word for black was 'rotting blood' the word for red was 'like blood' and the word for green was 'like unripe'.

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The "figurative" heart

by Sour Grapes in

about 25 years ago i gave a talk about how when the bible talks about the heart that it is the literal heart and how the heart and the brain are connected by nerve tissue.

the watchtower even stated that some people who received a heart transplant would take on some of the personality of the donor.then all of a sudden the borg changed and said that when the bible refers to the heart that it is figurative.

then when ever the watchtower referred to the heart it always put the word figurative in front of it.. does anyone know why there was a change in the use of the word heart?

Diogenesister

I don't know why they changed Sour Grapes, but as a wee child I very clearly remember being told that the heart has its own "mind" as such.

I still don't think it's one of the more outrageous medical faux pas Watchtower has made, after all the pain one feels in the heart is very, very real when one looses a loved one. I mean the pain is very much localized in the actual heart region so it seems pretty believable there is nerve tissue from the heart to the.brain...anyone know how that works??

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#Persecution selfies: what do you think?

by Diogenesister in

so apparently the new watchtower russia exhibition features a pretend cell for jws to take pretend "persecution selfies' and wallow in the glorious suffering that is essential for watchtower theology to work - yet is strikingly missing from the lives of 99% of witnesses.. in fact most governments go to great lengths to protect the rights of witnesses, spending millions in public funds either directly to watchtower - in the form of grants ( norway, germany etc) - in various types of tax relief, or in the money spent in court cases establishing watchtowers rights and freedoms (& protecting their kids, whether they know it or not).. i'm interested to know how everyone feels about this...particularly terry walstrom and other guys who have spent time in jail in the name of watchtower's freedom of conscience.

personally i think it reeks of desperation by watchtower and is another example of the type of fantasizing that witnesses regularly indulge in.. also....funny how the end is soooo close that they've had time to build a museum of watchtower history!!

anyone else see the irony in that?!

Diogenesister

So apparently the new Watchtower Russia exhibition features a pretend cell for JWs to take pretend "persecution selfies' and wallow in the glorious suffering that is essential for Watchtower theology to work - yet is strikingly missing from the lives of 99% of witnesses.

In fact most governments go to great lengths to protect the rights of witnesses, spending millions in public funds either directly to watchtower - in the form of grants ( Norway, Germany etc) - in various types of tax relief, or in the money spent in court cases establishing Watchtowers rights and freedoms (& protecting their kids, whether they know it or not).

I'm interested to know how everyone feels about this...particularly Terry Walstrom and other guys who have spent time in jail in the name of Watchtower's freedom of conscience. Personally I think it reeks of desperation by Watchtower and is another example of the type of fantasizing that witnesses regularly indulge in.

Also....funny how the end is soooo close that they've had time to build a museum of watchtower history!! Anyone else see the irony in that?!!

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KURD is the word - and the word is KURD

by Terry in

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kurd is the word - the word is kurd________who the heck are they?.

once upon a time, world war one ended and three people created a new place out of thin air called: iraq.

(gertrude bell, lawrence of arabia, winston churchill).this new country was divided up into 3 chunks:kurdsunnishia_____solemn promises made by colonel t.e.

Diogenesister

You're an intelligent person but historically illiterate, it must be said. There was the Luxor Massacre* in 1997. Islamist extremists beheaded and slaughtered a bunch of tourists in Luxor, Egypt, in 1997.

Too recent? Ok the founder of Islam, Prophet Muhammad, himself beheaded hundreds of Jewish captives, in accord with an Arabian judge's ruling. Muhammad dug trenches outside the court. Then the male captives were split into two groups: those who had underarm and pubic hair, and those that did not. Members of the first group were beheaded with a sword. I remember reading this account:

"An adult male Jewish captive was brought out. He had torn his expensive clothes so that Muhammad and his followers couldn't loot his clothes post mortem. He kneeled down and his head was struck off."

I've got a pretty good memory so it's close to being verbatim. Beheading is one of the Hudud punishments in Islam (the reason why Saudi Arabia beheads criminals).

These and many others like them are atrocities. Unlike Christianity, Islam never had a reformation.

If you care to honestly examine the history of the ME, you'll find that it is steeped in blood

Listen I've absolutely zero argument about how vile and violent Islam is. No question there.

I said atrocities specifically aimed at the West. The Luxor incident again happened after the first Iraq war.

I maintain, the assaults *specifically* against the West have all happened post the first Iraq war.

I'm pretty certain on that because I travelled alone and penniless in Muslim countries in the 80s and was greeted with nothing but the traditional middle eastern hospitality shown a guest. That could not happen now.

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Another one bites the dust

by stillin in

a close-by young brother, actually your basic, garden-variety, sexually-repressed, 40-year old virgin in the congregation has been charged with sexual misconduct with a minor.

i've known this guy since he was a kid and he has always been strange, in a nerdy kind of way.

he always wants to sound knowledgeable and wise when he comments at meetings, but i think he is bi-polar and depressed about who he is in life.

Diogenesister

I’m probably not going to be very popular here, but I think the fact the religion infantilises it’s members doesn’t help. For instance the guy in the other case posted on this thread - I think in his late 30s - having a relationship with a 17 year old. In the UK that type of relationship is legal and although it’s inappropriate I don’t consider it paedophilic . I think the repression and infantilisation of JWs seems to make this kind of weird relationship more prevalent among them.

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KURD is the word - and the word is KURD

by Terry in

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friends

kurd is the word - the word is kurd________who the heck are they?.

once upon a time, world war one ended and three people created a new place out of thin air called: iraq.

(gertrude bell, lawrence of arabia, winston churchill).this new country was divided up into 3 chunks:kurdsunnishia_____solemn promises made by colonel t.e.

Diogenesister

Cofty have you read any Allen Dulles bios?

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KURD is the word - and the word is KURD

by Terry in

jw
friends

kurd is the word - the word is kurd________who the heck are they?.

once upon a time, world war one ended and three people created a new place out of thin air called: iraq.

(gertrude bell, lawrence of arabia, winston churchill).this new country was divided up into 3 chunks:kurdsunnishia_____solemn promises made by colonel t.e.

Diogenesister

How many Islamist atrocities pre Iraq War II can you list? I will give a start - 9/11
What??? They invaded in the 1990s!!!!! How many can you give pre Bush snr?

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KURD is the word - and the word is KURD

by Terry in

jw
friends

kurd is the word - the word is kurd________who the heck are they?.

once upon a time, world war one ended and three people created a new place out of thin air called: iraq.

(gertrude bell, lawrence of arabia, winston churchill).this new country was divided up into 3 chunks:kurdsunnishia_____solemn promises made by colonel t.e.

Diogenesister

The real problem with the Middle East is not meddling by oil-hungry democracies; it is the tribalism and corruption of almost every Middle East ruler in recent history. Maybe King Hussein of Jordan was a rare exception.

They are not ready for democracy. Tragically it seems only a powerful and corrupt dictator is able to control the internecine fighting in the Middle East.

Also I hear a lot of talk about the evil Islamist terrorists and yes, they are.

But when did the terror against the west start?

oh yes, when the US invaded Iraq.

The beginnings of isis was when Russia invaded Afghanistan. The US backed the people who have evolved into isis.

Big business controls politics so however the politicians feel on a personal level about civilian suffering, the dollar will always win out.

And yes, since the bullshit we were fed over the Falklands war by the BBC, I will NEVER trust the propaganda the media pumps out.

Personally, I am deeply sorry about the Kurds and they very much need and deserve their own country. I believe they are the biggest ethnic group not to have their own land (but I may be wrong). I realise my own country played a large part in their current suffering by drawing up the boundaries as they did.

Being poor is lousy. It’s a hell of a life, when you’re poor. No one gives a crap.

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If anyone ever makes the claim that they don't focus on Money ALL the time...

by HiddenPimo in

i saw this mentioned on reddit but no link - i found the article form this weeks bible study..... in the “congregation bible study” part of the meeting this week there was a part that said and i quote: “only jehovah god and his son can receive someone into the heavenly kingdom or the paradise on earth under that kingdom.

we should diligently cultivate friendship with them by using what material riches we have in supporting kingdom interests”.

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Diogenesister

Like Catholic indulgences......

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JWB 5th Anniversary GB host lineup

by neat blue dog in

the recent article on the 5th anniversary of jw broadcasting includes a helpful graphic showing our hosts:.

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Diogenesister

Sigrid Haha, JWs would have to have the two women talking to themselves at a table.

JW WOMENS NEWSROUND!

{whatever you do don't look at the camera Martha!!!!}