does anyone have access to the leaked copy of the annual meeting?
because on part 2 (released as the feb. 2022 monthly program) there is a piece cut out at the 1:30:20 mark..
Wow that's a pity because Sam Herd was at least showing some humility in that part. He was kinda saying "who are we to be looked up to? Just humans!"
Actually made me laugh when he said the parents tell the kids to do drawings of them and he's like "and they do....Good God!....but they mean well"😳😆
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Silent lamb silent no more That's who I was trying to think of, Neal! I thought he was the goat apostate😆
Anyway he wrote a free book about how to exit Jehovah's witnesses, Lloyd got the idea from him, wrote a short pamphlet using his ideas them tried to charge people £200 for putting the stories they wrote in the back.
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Cedars EVERYONE who works closely with you is a volunteer (except the producer you just hired) because they do all the leg work and provide the expertise FOR FREE and YOU take in all the money.
With the exception of your jw broadcast reviews, almost all your content is provided free by others. Either through their stories/interviews, their legal expertise (Kim), their survey articles & court reports ( O'Donnell and others), their support (Sherrie d'souza). He's never once personally helped someone in need, so he recruited her to do it free of charge. Plus I'm sure sherrie, like Kim, has paid hard cash for the 'privilege' of working with him) etc.
The only guest he paid was Bart Erhman and I'm certain he would have drummed up the cash for that from his patreons, for the privilege of a basic interview they could see on myriad other channels.
Really most of the people who woke up in the last ten years learned everything from PAUL GRUNDY, Barb Anderson, Jim penton and others who wrote books or posted what they learned on this site.
. Do you think they'd have the brains to research everything from scratch - track people down, check receipts etc.without most of the people who went before??
NB what's the name of the guy who wrote about the book "Life how did it get here by Evolution or Creation?' and went through every single reference, fact checking each one? That's the sort of thing I mean is really responsible for waking people up. Lloyd just makes it easier for lazy People to access this information.
lloyd's twitter statement this morning states:.
today photos are being circulated that djana disclosed privately to someone she assumed to be a trusted friend.
i want to make it clear that the woman in the photos is in her 20s and not a sex worker.
Lloyds released a statement he's accusing Kim of lying and says he's getting legal help. That everything that's happening to him is illegal!!🤣He's going back to videos in March.
If course he'll carry on and of course his wife will support him. What choice does she have? He makes darn near six figures .....he's no education and has barely worked a normal job in his life (because pioneering). How else will she support the kids?
She previously told him to stop Hacktivism till he sorted his head out hence the livestream from the kitchen....(she took the key to the bunker I imagine!🤣) He's probably threatened that unless she supports him they'll go broke/divorce etc
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Dagney https://youtu.be/8lgwLHZS_fcOk this is the beginning of the icsa with Marc and Katy kitten ( Louise) and Alison
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video by Marc.
Quick question. Marc and others have mentioned something happened with ICSA and LE. Can someone tell me or point me where I can read/see what happened please. I mean what the heck
Dagney I have posted this elsewhere. Two videos, one is the beginnings of icsa and how Marc and Katy Kitten etc got the ball rolling. Lloyd being pushy and talking over others (I think Kim Silvio mentions this). The other is a JW community podcast on how Lloyd behaved toward BCG (I was there for that one)
https://jwcommunitypodcast.simplecast.com/episodes/9a9a06b3.
the problem is where do we go from here?
lloyd is not going to go away , he has too much to loose(money) neither will his followers go as we have seen the last few days there was hardly a drop to his membership .so what's next?
we will be branded in the same colours and because of him we won't be taken seriously anymore.
kids at a food bank have no idea who it is serving them. But it is activities like these that help former addicts see other people as real human beings with internal value and worth rather than simply objects for their manipulation, enabling, gratification etc.
People become addicts for very different reasons, there's also often quite a big disparity between the reasons male and females do. Whilst it's true some are self aggrandising egoists (King babies - I think Lloyd fits in here a bit) who fail to treat people as Kant puts it as not also only means to an end, but as ends in themselves. (Think gambler who gambles away his families money, or sex addict who repeatedly cheats on his wife).
However addictions vary and some rather take the form of *self harm* particularly in opiate addictions. Many female addicts find themselves in the situation of being used, rather, because they are often too empathetic with damaged people. This often stems from disorganized attachments to the mother figure as a child and results in fearful/avoidant attachment. They feel they don't deserve love or closeness from others and is the result of abuse and trauma in childhood (I've found a strong correlation here with disorganized attachment to the mother in particular - John Lennon was a really good example of this).
This is another reason I'm not fully onboard with 12 steps for everyone. It tends to work with people who find it through the criminal justice system, for the reasons you mention. But the kind of woman you might find in a refuge, for example, needs a very different approach. She certainly doesn't need to go make amends to others.(I'm a big Alice fan, by the way) It's strokes for folks, really.
am iiii off topic remarks at the anual meeting, are online at broadcasting.. he says in the early 70s he did not believe the end was near, and told his sons not to believe jw's who stating the end is near because the system could go on to 2020.. g..
It's highly suspicious that he just so happened to forecast the year before the one he was in at the talk.
Even though it was a throwaway comment, it still means he's suuuper special because the old Holy Spirit gave him the heads up!
Most of all it still means Armageddon is really near right now !!
talk about censorship!
i know there are many lloyd evans loyalists.
that's fine with me, but when you delete posts because you do not like the questions raised is what chinese censorship feels like.
She's a 'Pick me'. It drives me mad when these bleeding heart women won't hold the line. There's a world of difference between what a private individual does - and his family's reaction to it - and what a man that's all over social media pushing himself in (via his boys club) to represent girls and women who are victims of rape and abuse. Not to mention domestic abuse is not just about violence.
Why do I say pushes himself in? That's what the other people at Icsa claim. He was an elder for less than a year and he wrote a biography - why does that make him some kind of damn expert?
Here's another time he behaved outrageously toward BCG (the ARC abuse victim,). It's on JW community podcast around 40 if you don't want to hear it all.
i thought this needed it's own thread.
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https://youtu.be/d5hmwbiyjwc.
Sea Breeze that's an excellent piece of analysis and I tend to agree with you. I have some reservations around 12 steps only because some will shun people who relapse and there's an element of policing others. But otherwise everything you said is spot on. I found it very interesting how you describe JW parents as 'shut down' because they're emergency minded...so so true.
