Posts by Diogenesister

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Did you ever meet someone born in the 1800’s?

by Fisherman in

i met freddie franz who was born in the 1880’s and many others from the 1880’s.

but as a very small child i remember someone very old aged 106 and that person was born around 1856 which means that he was around people from the 1700’s..

Diogenesister

I knew my great grandmothers and a smattering of great great aunts and uncles, too. All born in the 1800s.

I always thought that my great grandmother who grew up before & without a telephone and even radio & lived to see my school computer and our pong (lol) and Atari, lived through the worlds biggest changes. Now watching my own children’s childhood as the first to truly grow up online, I’m not so sure.

Waton At 91+, if you asked me if I belonged to that now gone generation or the newer crop, I would have to stay with the gone seniors. Does that make me an overlapper? my feelings do not render valid the overlapping overreach of the wt anointed generation .

Waton I’m in my 50s and even I feel that way. I deeply loved my grandparents (maybe 18 yrs your senior?) my great grandmothers, great and even great great aunties and uncles. I miss them so much and I yearn for the time their generation were all here…..it breaks my heart my own children will never know them and seem to have inherited a commercialised, greedy, violent world😔

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Watchtower lawyer fined for misleading the court

by Diogenesister in

watchtower lawyer david brumley has been fined for misleading the court during the discovery process of the montana case.

the result was another 17 months of the courts time and the plaintiff having to produce evidence that wtpa did have a pivotal role in congregational business, which brumley had denied hoping that the courts would take his word for it.

he will be personally responsible for reimbursing the costs accrued by the plaintiff, due to his misleading affidavit.. see mark o donnell's twitter statement here:https://twitter.com/mark_j_odonnell/status/1562205475374043136?t=emdh163jnfi8kb6zch-uga&s=19.

Diogenesister

Here Corney reported on this 9 months ago:

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5737373257170944/federal-court-montana-asked-impose-sanctions-on-watch-tower-top-lawyers-brumley-taylor

Here with the hope that the Court would dismiss Plaintiffs’ cases against WTPA, in-house counsel Brumley signed affidavits that were materially false and intentionally misleading. Doc. 86 at 2-17 (setting forth how WTPA’s own documents establish that Brumley’s sworn statements were obviously and materially false). Brumley’s affidavits formed the sole evidentiary basis of WTPA’s Motion. Both in-house counsel Brumley, as well as WTNY Associate General Counsel Taylor (who also represented WTPA in this case), were uniquely in possession of the documents and information establishing the falsity of Brumley’s representations to the Court. Brumley and Taylor knew that Brumley’s representations were false.

The perpetuation of Brumley’s false and misleading statements wasted Plaintiffs’ and the Court’s time and energy litigating and resolving matters that were not legitimately in dispute. This included not only litigating WTPA’s Motion, but also litigating collateral discovery matters. All told, Brumley and Taylor’s conduct resulted in a 17-month delay of this case, unnecessarily forced Plaintiffs and the Court to waste significant time and resources, and was an intentional attempt to undermine the integrity of these proceedings with false statements and obstruction.

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Brumley and Taylor knowingly made and perpetuated false statements and then attempted to cover those false statements up by refusing to produce discoverable and material evidence. The record in this case, as well as the record from other sexual abuse cases, establishes that Brumley’s and Taylor’s conduct is not an aberration; it was immediately obvious that Brumley’s sworn statements to this Court were false and their bad faith conduct here is consistent with how WTPA’s lawyers have conducted themselves in other cases. In short, this is what they do.

Based on the foregoing, Plaintiffs believe that sanctions are appropriate, including:

Awarding Plaintiffs’ attorneys' fees and costs for all of the time spent addressing WTPA’s Motion - including all the time spent on all of the jurisdictional discovery;
Requiring attorneys Brumley and Taylor to self-report to all applicable licensing boards and courts for knowingly perpetuating false and misleading statements; and
Daily sanctions of an amount determined appropriate by the Court for each day that WTPA, acting through Brumley and Taylor, improperly and vexatiously delayed this case.

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Watchtower lawyer fined for misleading the court

by Diogenesister in

watchtower lawyer david brumley has been fined for misleading the court during the discovery process of the montana case.

the result was another 17 months of the courts time and the plaintiff having to produce evidence that wtpa did have a pivotal role in congregational business, which brumley had denied hoping that the courts would take his word for it.

he will be personally responsible for reimbursing the costs accrued by the plaintiff, due to his misleading affidavit.. see mark o donnell's twitter statement here:https://twitter.com/mark_j_odonnell/status/1562205475374043136?t=emdh163jnfi8kb6zch-uga&s=19.

Diogenesister

Uncle Punky Does this mean the WTB$ will throw him under the bus and leave him to pay?

In this case, no, given that Phil Brumley* is probably the most senior US based Watchtower lawyer. I don’t think your average elder should model themselves on Brumley, however, when relying on watchtower to cough up for them! He is of the 1% who has made himself a very tidy income out of being a JW.

yes he intentionally mislead the court in using the present tense when describing WTPA current relationship with the Montana congregations. However the court also noted that the Governing Body still has overall governance for all areas of watchtower procedure and all congregations and departments to this day.

The courts really do have Watchtowers number!

*Apologies I gave the lawyers name as ‘David Brumley’ on page one…..probably conflating David Guam, the Canadian perjurer, and Philip Brumley, his US counterpart!

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Joseph and the 1000 Year Rule.

by waton in

this is big, jw org is a comedy channel, or someone high up in the helpers sends a message via wt dramas: .

the resurrected "joseph" is an impostor.

his high position was not in giza, egypt but in berlin germany.

Diogenesister

My goodness that convention video - What kind of insanity is that!

Joseph speaks English and has a broad American accent and they are sat outside a huge villa with electricity, modern table settings etc

At least the old style mag representations of paradise had the good grace to merely portray unfeasibly large fruit and furry animals - both of which would not be beyond the realms of possibility in a pre industrial civilization (besides the odd beach ball - probably a lucky find by the lion)

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Watchtower lawyer fined for misleading the court

by Diogenesister in

watchtower lawyer david brumley has been fined for misleading the court during the discovery process of the montana case.

the result was another 17 months of the courts time and the plaintiff having to produce evidence that wtpa did have a pivotal role in congregational business, which brumley had denied hoping that the courts would take his word for it.

he will be personally responsible for reimbursing the costs accrued by the plaintiff, due to his misleading affidavit.. see mark o donnell's twitter statement here:https://twitter.com/mark_j_odonnell/status/1562205475374043136?t=emdh163jnfi8kb6zch-uga&s=19.

Diogenesister

Watchtower lawyer David Brumley has been fined for misleading the court during the discovery process of the Montana case. The result was another 17 months of the courts time and the plaintiff having to produce evidence that WTPA DID have a pivotal role in congregational business, which Brumley had denied hoping that the courts would take his word for it. He will be personally responsible for reimbursing the costs accrued by the plaintiff, due to his misleading affidavit.

See Mark O Donnell's Twitter statement here:https://twitter.com/Mark_J_ODonnell/status/1562205475374043136?t=EmdH163jNFI8KB6zCH-UGA&s=19

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A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.

by Fisherman in

obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.

Diogenesister

DJW Somewhere I read something which to the effect said that logic and facts will only convince a Christian to became an atheist if the person became a Christian due to reasons based upon logic and facts.

Which is interesting because that's often the reason people convert to Jehovah's witnesses, or so they'll claim, logic and facts. Far more so than Christendom I think.A lot is made of people being vulnerable when they convert - a death perhaps etc, which I don't dispute happens.

But at least when myself and others were convinced particularly in the 70s and 80s it was the "logic" of Jehovah's witnesses that often did so. Particularly those converts who were educated. We would often say they made sense as compared to other religions....for example their stance on hell, which is completely antithetical to a loving God. The concept of the dead knowing nothing and the resurrection to Earth. That they don't believe in the trinity which is a strange concept to a non believers ears and snacks of polytheism.

But most of all their stance on neutrality and not fighting which makes sense for Christians who are commanded to love their brothers....who may live in the country that your country wishes to fight.

I'm not saying I now agree with these things but they made sense to a lot of converts and so JWs are more likely to respond to factual based arguments than other Christians.

I think Earnest was shocked that Vanderhoven7 wont debate his faith because he discusses ways to wake JWs up and presumably expects them to defend their faith.....??🤔

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

Just want to put this here I found on the farms🤣🤣Hope you can see it!

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The elephant in the room post

by joey jojo in

jw
friends

is it ok to talk about the ongoing post about 'he who must not ne named"?.

my perspective: im a neutral observer.

i dont know lloyd evans, im not an active member of any ex-jw group (except this one i guess).

Diogenesister

Joeyjojo Jeff T The issue is accusations of implied child abuse because he had sex with prostitutes in Thailand. A doesn't necessarily imply B.

The point is not that we think he had sex with minors, necessarily.

The point is he is an advocate for victims of child sex abuse.

Yet.....he's using an industry where over half the prostitutes are kids, or began as kids, and that he doesn't care about that, showing zero remorse when it was pointed out.

This despite the fact he pushed his way in to being a core participant into the ICCSA investigation in the UK. He used a lawyer to demand a place because they didn't initially want him since he had no 'legitimate interest'. Not being a child protection expert nor a victim or parent of a victim - as ICCSA termed it, he wasnt a suitable participant.

He simply used it to drive more you tube content and donations, instead of standing aside for others who worked on it from the beginning/victims/counsellors etc

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The elephant in the room post

by joey jojo in

jw
friends

is it ok to talk about the ongoing post about 'he who must not ne named"?.

my perspective: im a neutral observer.

i dont know lloyd evans, im not an active member of any ex-jw group (except this one i guess).

Diogenesister

Dont forget--there's no such thing as bad publicity.

You do have a point there, Stan. I do wonder if we are just feeding the monster ego.

To answer JoJo:

The mega thread is kept alive in order that when googling Watchtower, new exjws and mainstream media are aware of his behaviour & that he's not an appropriate "go to" for info about watchtower with regard to CSA.

The problem we have is that he's always used exjws as a giant cash cow and doesn't give a monkeys about victims of CSA. If he did he wouldn't dream of using victims of the sex trade in Eastern Europe and Thailand. Both places notorious for coercing vulnerable and addicted women, who have usually been trafficked or pimped beginning as minors.

NB It's sad its caused another massive rift between exjws. I think some younger people think this is all about being morally judgemental, but that's not so. I've lived long enough to know the absolute harm prostitution does to women (and young rent boys, too).

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Nonbelieving mates

by road to nowhere in

jw
friends

a couple of my wife's friends are married to non witnesses.

they say jehovah must have special plans for them.

and that it is a special exception not destruction, alas, they are not attractive so my special idea about polygamy won't cut it.

Diogenesister

The official teaching is destruction despite what these women think. You know; " big enemies of God".

Well the official teaching has changed then because the Bible teaches non believing spouses are "protected" by God in honour of their believing mate.....so....don't know how Watchtower gets around that one. It's pretty much in black and white Cor 7:14

We know socially they're not getting any passes in the congregation, though, hell no!🤣 Not unless they're loaded, of course, in which case...🥂"Welcome!! Mr. Serena Williams....we are all (billionaire) brothers here!"🥂🥂